Crowds allowed into grounds in October..

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Just a thought, but should we be allowed back to watch games then wouldn’t it be sensible if the law was relaxed to allow fans to take beer into the seats again to help to prevent any overcrowding on the concourse area. It’s a pointless restriction anyway.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Wow.....you’re figure are way out....its an example of irrational panic and fear...currently 1 in 6,000,000 are dying.
Under Cerberus experiment.....even with a 600% increase in deaths....that still means the risk is 1 in million.

It’s not meant to sound callus but life is a risk....risk is everywhere...it can’t be stopped.
Facts show that the risk is so minuscule that surely it’s worth the experiment.
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The figure I was referring to is the estimated infection mortality rate (IFR). For every 150 people that get Covid-19, approximately 1 will die.

The point is that, if we reintroduced crowds, and it led to (say) 300 new cases, that could mean 2 deaths (assuming that the demographics of the football crowd reflect those of the general population).

I think that your 1 in 6,000,000 is presumably based on around 10 deaths per day in the UK. That's wrong in this context on a few levels. Firstly, the actual figure is at least double that, and probably quite a bit higher (you probably used a weekend day to quote your figure). Secondly, it is based on current levels, not the potential increased risk if crowds were reintroduced. Thirdly, your risk is the daily risk, which is not the same as 'the overall risk'.

So, I agree that, if you carry on as normal, your daily risk of dying from Covid is about 1 in 2,000,000.

But we're talking about 30,000 people (each, at ten different grounds) going every week, with probable increased transmission.
 
SW12 to S12 to S18 said:
Just a thought, but should we be allowed back to watch games then wouldn’t it be sensible if the law was relaxed to allow fans to take beer into the seats again to help to prevent any overcrowding on the concourse area. It’s a pointless restriction anyway.
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No. If you can't go the full match without having a beer, either watch it at home or check into your local AA meeting.

I'm not saying that beer isn't a great accompaniment to football, because it is, but if they let people back in they're going to have to be really careful about it - and the refreshment areas (and possibly even the toilets) just won't open, because they're not essential. If the choice is being able to go back without beer, or not being able to go back, I know which one I'd choose.
 
I very rarely have a beer in the ground but thousands do so I would imagine that United and other clubs would want to open refreshment areas to maximise income. As I said, it was just a thought.
 
niktheblade said:
I thought this, but.... I wonder if they will move some fixtures around nearer the time to get them all on TV.
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"The Premier League has agreed with its UK broadcast partners to increase the number of matches shown live from 200 to 220 for the 2020/21 season only. Of the additional live matches, 12 will be shown on Sky Sports, six on BT Sport and two on Amazon Prime Video."

They might as well not bother if it's only going to be an extra 20 matches!

It's utter bollock, I hope we see mass gatherings outside stadiums now! Don't show the match on TV, but ban us from attending! Fucking stupid!
 
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YES Blade said:
It's utter bollock, I hope we see mass gatherings outside stadiums now! Don't show the match on TV, but ban us from attending! Fucking stupid!
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Fucking state of those who turn up outside a ground they can’t enter to not watch a game. 😂
That’ll show ‘em. Bet they won’t wear masks either the hardcore motherfuckers!
 

Cerberus Blade said:
Don't know if this was covered elsewhere, but according to this...

www.dailymail.co.uk

Football fans won't be allowed to sing or chant when they return

Fans will have to take responsibility by agreeing to rules on behaviour before they're allowed inside stadiums again and that is likely to include a ban on singing and chanting.
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They might let us/some of us, back in, but we won't be allowed to sing or chant! :rolleyes:

That's going to take some doing eh? It'll be like trying to perfect the silent orgasm.🤔
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And if you thought that was a daft idea, how about this, from today's "Sun"...


SWINGING IT



Randy swingers booking tickets for an annual festival have been told the event is still going ahead despite Covid-19 fears – but sex will be BANNED.



Council chiefs have given the green light to the controversial Swing Fest event, but have insisted there will be “no sexual activity involved in the event”.



The sold out event is planned for the weekend of August 30 with tickets costing horny punters £40 for a couples or single ticket and £20 for a single female ticket.



It will feature a large stage, light show, live DJs, tribute acts and even fire breathers, but plans to include an “adult bouncy castle” have had to be scrapped.



The event has will be held at the HU9 club in Hull, East Yorks, after the city council gave it the green light despite fears over coronavirus restrictions.



Some locals said they were “appalled” by the event which they fear would breach Covid-19 regulations.


Football without chanting. Swinging without sex. Whatever is the world coming to?
 
Geordie Blade said:
The figure I was referring to is the estimated infection mortality rate (IFR). For every 150 people that get Covid-19, approximately 1 will die.

The point is that, if we reintroduced crowds, and it led to (say) 300 new cases, that could mean 2 deaths (assuming that the demographics of the football crowd reflect those of the general population).

I think that your 1 in 6,000,000 is presumably based on around 10 deaths per day in the UK. That's wrong in this context on a few levels. Firstly, the actual figure is at least double that, and probably quite a bit higher (you probably used a weekend day to quote your figure). Secondly, it is based on current levels, not the potential increased risk if crowds were reintroduced. Thirdly, your risk is the daily risk, which is not the same as 'the overall risk'.

So, I agree that, if you carry on as normal, your daily risk of dying from Covid is about 1 in 2,000,000.

But we're talking about 30,000 people (each, at ten different grounds) going every week, with probable increased transmission.
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I’m taking my stats from the world statistics web site because now the figures are close to nil....the media have chosen to stop reporting daily deaths.
In the last few days the daily numbers are 11, 3, 5, 3, 12 and 16.....so current rate is less than 10 deaths per day (less than 1 in 6,000,000 death risk).
The weekend death rate is 1 in 20,000,000, more chance of winning the jackpot on the national lottery (that’s a 1 in 14 million chance).

And thats the figures with an easing of the lock down. Pubs and restaurants don’t need masks, my local Tesco don‘t require masks.

Also it’s now been admitted that the initially reported figures were massaged/ fiddled to make them higher than they were.
For example if someone was instantly killed in a car accident and they happened to have covid...they were included in the covid death figures.
We are now reporting deaths the same as Scotland...which explains why they’ve had many days with ZERO deaths.

If you take as fact that 1 in 150 covid cases will die.....the fact that hardly anyone is in hospital and hardly anyone is dying
must mean that its relatively rare to find anyone with covid in England. However returning PL footballers have already tested positive and you hear cases of local lock downs because most people in certain factory have it. How come there’s no increase in hospitalisations or deaths in Leicester, Oldham or Blackburn.
The initial mantra was “protect the NHS” but if there’s no strain on the NHS then why we can’t we return to normal quicker but monitor the situation at each stage.

There are simple equations of logic that I’m sure you’ll agree.

If many people currently (high positive test rate) have covid but hardly anyone is becoming ill or dying then it’s not that dangerous.
If not many people have it because it is a dangerous desease that kills 1 in 150 (like you say) then it obviously can’t be that infectious.

The data proves it’s either infectious or dangerous....it can’t be both.....otherwise even with masks there would still be 1000’s of many deaths every day.
The reason is because now there are millions either don’t wear masks, fiddle around with their mask and don’t wear it properly, stopped washing their hands and stopped practising social distancing weeks ago...a 2nd spike was predicted many weeks ago....why is it not happening?

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The fact that games are behind closed doors and not being broadcast on TV is a national scandal. The government should step in and pass a law that as long as covid restrictions are in place then all games should be legally available either on line or on TV in some form Even if it’s pay per view.
 
Harry's Game said:
The fact that games are behind closed doors and not being broadcast on TV is a national scandal. The government should step in and pass a law that as long as covid restrictions are in place then all games should be legally available either on line or on TV in some form Even if it’s pay per view.
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Agree...think this news story will become big news....once people realise what they are missing....the media will run with it.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Agree...think this news story will become big news....once people realise what they are missing....the media will run with it.
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The clubs wanted to implement an ifollow model this season but Sky, BT, and Amazon vetoed it. Now I know illegal streams are available but they are not 100% reliable and only the other day The Premier League were once again threatening Internet Service Providers for not blocking access.
 
Webding said:
No away fans until we’re back fully, surely?

If there’s 24,000 season tickets sold, then reserve about 8,000 tickets per match for them (give or take, depending on bubble sizes etc), meaning ST holders go once every three games. The remaining few hundred places at each match would then be allocated by ballot for any members (or bubble groups) who apply, possibly subject to having a certain number of loyalty points, and maybe with a guarantee of getting a ticket after a certain number of unsuccessful applications.

Of course the number of ST holders may change, and some of those won’t necessarily want to go under current circumstances anyway. But the numbers and rotations are variable, you get the idea.

Then after all that logistical fannying, we will go into lockdown the day before the first game.
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You are forgetting the corporate mob.
I can see the club trying to maximise that at £150+ a pop.
Not sure how many corperate tickets we Normally sell but I'm guessing they nearly always sell out being back in the Premiership.
 
Who gets in the ground should definitely NOT be based on loyalty points.

Loyalty points may be an adequate reason to allocate AWAY tickets - but anyone that buys a season ticket for home games should go into an equal draw/allocation system that the officials/club seem appropriate. If loyalty points will be used, what is the point of anyone below 35/40K points buying one!

The system (or to bring up the word of the moment - algorithm) should be extremely well thought through.

There was an extremely interesting article in a paper yesterday that clubs MUST provide a temporary 21 day list of anyone that comes through the turnstile for potential track and trace. The article mentioned that families, certainly of the big six, "swap" the tickets between the family so the name on the ticket is not necessarily the person that goes in the ground. This type of situation simply cannot be allowed to happen.

For all us over 60, who are classed as in the most vulnerable category - I would not be pleased if the people near me are not who the ticket says it should be.

It is for sure that correct name/phone details will have to be given and although it sounds a bit draconian, the club for me will have to insist on double identity on entry - ie: passport or driving license or some other recognised document whilst at the same time as doing a temperature scan. The club will need to sort out issues for children but a birth certificate should suffice here.

How on earth the club "manages" the situation of people who want to get round the system should be well thought about but the present "write your name and phone number on an A4 clip board when going into a pub" should not be the method at the Lane.

Good luck to the Government/Premier league and clubs in coming up with something that will feasibly work.

UTB
 
Crowds (Not) Aloud in Grounds in October.

I've heard there can be no singing or chanting due to concerns over spread of the virus.
 
If we were gonna have a League Cup with 8,900 attending, half the ground would be closed

Not wort
Harry's Game said:
The clubs wanted to implement an ifollow model this season but Sky, BT, and Amazon vetoed it. Now I know illegal streams are available but they are not 100% reliable and only the other day The Premier League were once again threatening Internet Service Providers for not blocking access.
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I can understand the TV Cabal wanting to block games they are broadcasting .......

But if the game isn't being shown, and we cant attend either, then either they look to broadcasting them, or VPNs get launched

TV cameras are at all the games, who is not wanting them to be broadcast legit wise in the UK, bring me his heed

I dont think ISPs want that workload hunting VPNs
 
GallonofMagnet said:
What makes you say that?
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Its common sense
If Away fans are allowed in it will reduce the already small amount of home fans that will be allowed in
Then there is the travel arrangements all these people travelling around the country would make the virus more likely to spread
 

Fulwood Blade said:
Who gets in the ground should definitely NOT be based on loyalty points.

Loyalty points may be an adequate reason to allocate AWAY tickets - but anyone that buys a season ticket for home games should go into an equal draw/allocation system that the officials/club seem appropriate. If loyalty points will be used, what is the point of anyone below 35/40K points buying one!

The system (or to bring up the word of the moment - algorithm) should be extremely well thought through.

There was an extremely interesting article in a paper yesterday that clubs MUST provide a temporary 21 day list of anyone that comes through the turnstile for potential track and trace. The article mentioned that families, certainly of the big six, "swap" the tickets between the family so the name on the ticket is not necessarily the person that goes in the ground. This type of situation simply cannot be allowed to happen.

For all us over 60, who are classed as in the most vulnerable category - I would not be pleased if the people near me are not who the ticket says it should be.

It is for sure that correct name/phone details will have to be given and although it sounds a bit draconian, the club for me will have to insist on double identity on entry - ie: passport or driving license or some other recognised document whilst at the same time as doing a temperature scan. The club will need to sort out issues for children but a birth certificate should suffice here.

How on earth the club "manages" the situation of people who want to get round the system should be well thought about but the present "write your name and phone number on an A4 clip board when going into a pub" should not be the method at the Lane.

Good luck to the Government/Premier league and clubs in coming up with something that will feasibly work.

UTB
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There are no season tickets on sale and we dont know who would have renewed so the only fair way would be to use loyalty points. This will help prioritise sales and manage ticket office workloads. The mechanics of how the club would give everyone on the database a chance to attend at least one game in 5 is the key .
 
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