Crowd V The Pigs

Revolution said:
Originally Posted by DuncDisorderly
They were directed to by the findings of Lord Taylor, I recall. It did give the administrators a chance to take football up-market, but then if you were around in the 1970's you might vaguely recall how the standing experience might have been good for atmosphere, but was pretty shocking otherwise...




Pricing is the answer to pricing problems. You have to ask, what price per ticket to fill the stadium, then you have to wait for habits to form. Wigan have cheap season tickets but can't fill the stadium. Charltons recent ticket promotion didn't fill the ground, on the other hand, Man Utd could probably raise their prices another 50% and still fill Old Trafford.

Social conditions have also changed. Its not Dad finishing work at the foundry at 12 on Saturday, having a few beers, watching the match for 2/6d, then home for tea on the table. Male roles especially have changed dramatically (anyone who claims 'its a mans world' has fundamentally mis-understood how it all works, imo...), and it is just more difficult to fit it all in.




The dwindling crowds are not in themselves due to standing/seating. There are lots of people out there struggling to pay the bills, never mind pay for silly football, even if it was still 2/6d...
An interesting point is that from the early 50's the late 80's the decline in football attendances more or less mirrored the long time decline in the Labour vote. I would suggest that the underlying cause of both these phenomena was the decline of manual work and the male working class solidaristic ethos that went with it.

Come the 90's both the LP and football reinvented themselves to appeal to the middle class and saw an upward trend in their appeal.

There were several reasons for the decline in crowds from their peak in the late 1940's, but the main reason was, IMHO, television.

In addition, it must be remembered that attendance was at an artificially high peak in the post war years, due to a combination of factors:

1. Many luxuries were rationed: football tickets were not.
2. People had missed the game
3. As When Saturday Comes put it: "I've just won the bloody War so you're not stopping me going to every Doncaster home match. And Barnsley too".
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But your television theory doesn't account for why crowds have risen massively over the last 25 years at the same time as there has been an massive expansion in television. Isn't it because football has become bourgeois and trendy in an increasingly trendy bourgeois society?
 

There were several reasons for the decline in crowds from their peak in the late 1940's, but the main reason was, IMHO, television.

In addition, it must be remembered that attendance was at an artificially high peak in the post war years, due to a combination of factors:

1. Many luxuries were rationed: football tickets were not.
2. People had missed the game
3. As When Saturday Comes put it: "I've just won the bloody War so you're not stopping me going to every Doncaster home match. And Barnsley too".[/QUOTE]

4. There was fuck all else to do too.
 
4. There was fuck all else to do too.

That's right, there was money to spend and not much to spend it on.

But your television theory doesn't account for why crowds have risen massively over the last 25 years at the same time as there has been an massive expansion in television. Isn't it because football has become bourgeois and trendy in an increasingly trendy bourgeois society?

Yes, that's one reason. Other reasons for an increase in gates, in no particular order:

1. Nick Hornby
2. politicians saw more advantage in latching onto the game rather than attacking it
3. Positive and vastly increased media coverage
4. A better economic environment
5. Gates were rising from an extremely low base
6. Euro '96
7. Improvements to Stadia post Hillsborough and the virtual disappearance of violence inside grounds.

TV may now be, or have been, beneficial to the game since Live league games started to be shown, but there's no doubt that its rise during the 1950s hit football attendance hard. Cinema going and other sports were also very hard hit, vaudeville was destroyed, and regional theatre dealt a body blow from which it has yet to recover. And it wasn't just in the UK - baseball attendance was decimated by TV, although they also had another problem that was not as pronounced in the UK (white flight and urban decay in the areas where stadia were situated).
 
lets face it , in the fifties and sixties football was one of the few social options for entertainment
no gyms ,playstations , xbox , android phones no sky and 600 channel tv, no ryanair weekends in Riga

Saturdays you went to football or watched wrestling on itv

Now footballs really getting hurt as people think footballers are all over paid spoilt brats and they go to pursue other interests

football will implode within a decade, its become haves and have nots and people following have nots , like us are losing interest
 
Revolution said:
4. There was fuck all else to do too.

That's right, there was money to spend and not much to spend it on.

But your television theory doesn't account for why crowds have risen massively over the last 25 years at the same time as there has been an massive expansion in television. Isn't it because football has become bourgeois and trendy in an increasingly trendy bourgeois society?

Yes, that's one reason. Other reasons for an increase in gates, in no particular order:

1. Nick Hornby
2. politicians saw more advantage in latching onto the game rather than attacking it
3. Positive and vastly increased media coverage
4. A better economic environment
5. Gates were rising from an extremely low base
6. Euro '96
7. Improvements to Stadia post Hillsborough and the virtual disappearance of violence inside grounds.

TV may now be, or have been, beneficial to the game since Live league games started to be shown, but there's no doubt that its rise during the 1950s hit football attendance hard. Cinema going and other sports were also very hard hit, vaudeville was destroyed, and regional theatre dealt a body blow from which it has yet to recover. And it wasn't just in the UK - baseball attendance was decimated by TV, although they also had another problem that was not as pronounced in the UK (white flight and urban decay in the areas where stadia were situated).
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Fair points. I suppose the general phenomenem was the privitisation of lesiure. People were staying home for entertaintment rather than going out. Admittedly television was one reason, but another reason may have been better housing conditions in the industrial areas after WWII which meant home was a much pleasanter place to be.
 
dkc Blade said:
Yeah I was at that game too, on the North Stand. There was half a section full of Blades towards the away end. Best derby game I've been to.
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That's where I was. I was 12. Holy shit, that was the best night of my life.
 
It was one of the best nights of my life, I was in the old stand, (one where the player come out) I got my tickets from Nigel Jemson via his boot sponsors, the look on his face when he handed them over to me, when I had my Blades shirt on was priceless. I took my Grandson to his first derby, unfortunately he supports the Swine, because of my son in law, he was only 6 but how he had the face on. There were a number of other Blades in the same stand making a lot of noise. I knew we had won the match when I heard the line ups, Trevor Francis played 5 across the back, and I knew then we would win. Great Night, hope Sunday is as good.
 
dkc Blade said:
Yeah I was at that game too, on the North Stand. There was half a section full of Blades towards the away end. Best derby game I've been to.
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Five of us sat in there as well. When United scored the whole stand seemed full of blades. Best derby game I have been to. Remember having a piss at half time with the lads and taking the piss out of wendy. Set of cnuts never said a word. We took the North Bank, easy easy!!!!
 
>but do not see why it would lower prices and make football more affordable for all
because if you are standing then you take up less room.. therefore the end in question could get around 20percent more fans on so they could drop the price accordingly

>football will implode within a decade
or all of the 'big clubs' will fuck off and join a euro league (most of their fans live abroad anyway) and then we can get back to proper full contact football
 
dkc Blade said:
Yeah I was at that game too, on the North Stand. There was half a section full of Blades towards the away end. Best derby game I've been to.
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I was in the last row nearest the away end up towards the top corner, I agree it was my best derby match too. Was very tasty up there when we scored lol. I'd estimate a good 2-3 k Blades fans in that top corner that night.
If memory serves me rightly- if we hadn't have done the double over tricky trev's shower of shit that season they would have been league champions?

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TonyAgana said:
That's where I was. I was 12. Holy shit, that was the best night of my life.
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It was some atmosphere! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nA66WguOm0
 
I think given segregation on the top tier of BL, 4600 unclean and apparent good sales from Blades fans we should be tipping over 30k
 
Official site says 1k left on Kop 1.5k left on John Street. So it should be pushing 30k.
 
If it's a sell out, will Tuns concede that the club at best got it right or at worst actually sold the tickets too cheaply?

:)

UTB
 

If it sells out, I'd concede I was wrong in predicting a 23k crowd early in September and also give Blades fans massive credit for what I perceive to be paying through the nose for Div Three football.
 
I've just been down. I was told that there is nothing left on the JSS or South Stand, just the Kop.

I am presuming that some seats located towards the Swine Cottage mob - H block and the BL end of the JSS - are being kept empty.
 
the capacity , due to safe areas will be around 31500 on police advice

the owls fans will once again have anti piss shields fitted above them, I think this is risky what if one gets stung by a jelly fish , how can we help them
 
dkc Blade said:
I've just been down. I was told that there is nothing left on the JSS or South Stand, just the Kop.

I am presuming that some seats located towards the Swine Cottage mob - H block and the BL end of the JSS - are being kept empty.
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OS link says there are 1500 seats on the Malta Family Enclosure- isn't that what the JSS is calling itself these days?
 
I went down earlier too for Leyton Orient tickets. They said about 900 left on the kop and just the odd ticket elsewhere.
 
Kop Corner never sells out so i've got to assume tickets are still there.
 
blade too long said:
the capacity , due to safe areas will be around 31500 on police advice

the owls fans will once again have anti piss shields fitted above them, I think this is risky what if one gets stung by a jelly fish , how can we help them
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Why would they need those, I sure they've have all the Lane End.
 
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