COVID Season Ticket

[Bruce Wayne]

How do you know what will happen to your body in 10 years time if you dont have the vaccine ?

It won't go on many holidays.

 

[knowsnowt]

Sitwell.
You have a point, for a change.
As we all know covid has already shown it can have long term effects, I may be suffering with "long covid" myself.. I'm far from the energetic person I was earlier in the year.
I don't know if its connected of course but I wouldn't wish my current condition on anyone. Its like an everlasting flu.. Previously I'd walk 20/30 miles a week and not feel it. I can't do a mile currently without being totally and utterly shattered.
Im waiting on my. 3rd set of blood test results atm, the previous 2 have shown nothing untoward.
Could the vaccine have worse effects? Well we'll find out won't we.

 

[Silent Blade]

Sitwell.
You have a point, for a change.
As we all know covid has already shown it can have long term effects, I may be suffering with "long covid" myself.. I'm far from the energetic person I was earlier in the year.
I don't know if its connected of course but I wouldn't wish my current condition on anyone. Its like an everlasting flu.. Previously I'd walk 20/30 miles a week and not feel it. I can't do a mile currently without being totally and utterly shattered.
Im waiting on my. 3rd set of blood test results atm, the previous 2 have shown nothing untoward.
Could the vaccine have worse effects? Well we'll find out won't we.

Sorry to hear that you have long Covid. Two of my old schoolfriends have the same since April also my line manager at work too thinks he has it after tested positive 3 or 4 weeks ago. They now find it difficult to have long walks and hate wearing facemasks when shopping . Dont know if long covid sufferers are advised to take the vaccine?

 

[knowsnowt]

Sorry to hear that you have long Covid. Two of my old schoolfriends have the same since April also my line manager at work too thinks he has it after tested positive 3 or 4 weeks ago. They now find it difficult to have long walks and hate wearing facemasks when shopping . Dont know if long covid sufferers are advised to take the vaccine?

Doctor hasn't advised either way. I don't think they know themselves.

 

[Le Cynique]

Comparing an RNA vaccine to thalidomide is, scientifically speaking, false equivalence. They’re so different that you may as well be comparing breathing mustard gas to eating an apple. I get that the point is that some medical interventions have unknown and devastating side effects, but to conflate a vaccine with thalidomide is dangerous and wrong.

Secondly, for the benefit of anyone who still doesn’t understand why herd immunity through vaccination is so vital, have a read of this: http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/herd-immunity

The key takeaway is that there are people who can’t take a vaccine because they have a compromised immune system, so they’d have to withdraw from society while the virus is still virulent. My conscience doesn’t allow me to refuse the vaccine (especially as I have full faith in Oxford university’s medical researchers). If others don’t want to take it, that’s their choice and I respect that; however, they have to understand that their choice has consequences (just like my choice to take it could have consequences, eg me growing an extra bollock to quote knowsnowt) - those being that they’re not allowed to compromise the safety of those who can’t have the vaccine, so their societal freedoms become curtailed.

It’s a shit situation for everyone, and having to choose isn’t something we should have to do normally. However, this is not a normal situation and we all have to make difficult choices that will affect our lives and those of the people around us.

 

[metalblade]

For those who don't know, Google Thalidomide.
Long term studies are essential.

Or Google the 1978 whooping cough vaccine or the late 80's early 90's MMR vaccine scandals. Maybe small numbers affected but they may have gone through life without ever contracting whooping cough, measles, mumps or rubella and if they did odds are heavily stacked they would get over them with no long term damage. Must be something in it for the government of the day to pay out compensation to families of kids whose life was ruined.

 

[sitwell]

Sitwell.
You have a point, for a change.
As we all know covid has already shown it can have long term effects, I may be suffering with "long covid" myself.. I'm far from the energetic person I was earlier in the year.
I don't know if its connected of course but I wouldn't wish my current condition on anyone. Its like an everlasting flu.. Previously I'd walk 20/30 miles a week and not feel it. I can't do a mile currently without being totally and utterly shattered.
Im waiting on my. 3rd set of blood test results atm, the previous 2 have shown nothing untoward.
Could the vaccine have worse effects? Well we'll find out won't we.

Most people I know who have had it including myself and several on here have lasting effects. Mine are minor, muscle aches in my back and difficulty staying asleep for long periods, my Mrs still has a cough and lack of smell. Don't know how long these will last but given the choice before I got it I would have definitely had a vaccine as I'm sure my father in law would as anything is preferential to dying.

 

[Le Cynique]

Or Google the 1978 whooping cough vaccine or the late 80's early 90's MMR vaccine scandals. Maybe small numbers affected but they may have gone through life without ever contracting whooping cough, measles, mumps or rubella and if they did odds are heavily stacked they would get over them with no long term damage. Must be something in it for the government of the day to pay out compensation to families of kids whose life was ruined.

I really hope you’re not citing the Andrew Wakefield MMR stuff, because if you are I can’t even begin to tell you how wrong that is. His data and studies have been widely proven to not just be wrong, but fraudulent, and have been accepted as such by everyone but the credulous, the simple-minded and those who choose to wilfully ignore peer-reviewed evidence.

 

[knowsnowt]

Most people I know who have had it including myself and several on here have lasting effects. Mine are minor, muscle aches in my back and difficulty staying asleep for long periods, my Mrs still has a cough and lack of smell. Don't know how long these will last but given the choice before I got it I would have definitely had a vaccine as I'm sure my father in law would as anything is preferential to dying.

Sorry to hear about your FIL mate, but the fact is half of the reported dead have died falling off a ladder and not because of covid. And whilst the risks of refusing a vaccine are very real, in reality the risk of dieing from it are very small.
I also have to consider there's zero room in my already packed underpants for an extra bollock!

 

[Le Cynique]

Sorry to hear about your FIL mate, but the fact is half of the reported dead have died falling off a ladder and not because of covid. And whilst the risks of refusing a vaccine are very real, in reality the risk of dieing from it are very small.
I also have to consider there's zero room in my already packed underpants for an extra bollock!

Bollocks aside, have you got actual data to support your claim?

I personally think that the numbers are flawed as they report people who have died with Covid, rather than of it, but I think it's dangerous to talk quantities without hard evidence to support the claim.

 

[knowsnowt]

Bollocks aside, have you got actual data to support your claim?

I personally think that the numbers are flawed as they report people who have died with Covid, rather than of it, but I think it's dangerous to talk quantities without hard evidence to support the claim.

No I've zero evidence, well none bar the flu killing 90% less people this year compared to previous years. But we all know the figures are a load of kack.

 

[Le Cynique]

No I've zero evidence, well none bar the flu killing 90% less people this year compared to previous years. But we all know the figures are a load of kack.

I think it's dangerous to infer from the reduced number of flu fatalities that some of those who have been reported as dying of Covid have actually died of flu. It's more likely that the very measure we're taking to prevent the spread of Covid are preventing the spread of flu as well, thus reducing its death count.

Unless I've misunderstood what you were suggesting there?

 

[Maidenhead]

Not at all it's his choice which is supposedly what the debates about

Read it all again.

It's not his choice, he can't have it for health reasons!!

It's for the benefit of people like him that anyone with a social conscience should have the vaccine if they are eligible to do so.

Not having the vaccine through choice is a very selfish choice.

 

[Maidenhead]

He has the choice to shield, which means he has to forfeit certain things. Is that an ideal way to live? Nope. But that shouldn't affect my rights to live the way I choose either. I may forfeit certain things due to it. Is that ideal for me? Nope.

Number one in today's selfish chart.

It's his problem, I'm entitled to do as I wish even though I could help.

 

[Maidenhead]

Given I'm iin a high risk group and that it cost me my job too, I'd just like to add that I wouldn't back mandatory vaccinations or even a covid vaccine "passport" to change either of those circumstances.

I wouldn't back mandatory either, but I would do whatever I could to help others.

 

[metalblade]

I really hope you’re not citing the Andrew Wakefield MMR stuff, because if you are I can’t even begin to tell you how wrong that is. His data and studies have been widely proven to not just be wrong, but fraudulent, and have been accepted as such by everyone but the credulous, the simple-minded and those who choose to wilfully ignore peer-reviewed evidence.

If one thing the MMR stuff proves is lack of trust in politicians can have a huge effect on public confidence in vaccines even if it was the doctors who screwed up when administering the MMR vaccine to kids who clearly were showing side effects after the first injection. The Labour gov't refused to recognise a problem in the 70's until pressured by campaign groups into paying compensation to families affected. For the vast majority the vaccines were safe but refusing to acknowledge some had problems destroyed public trust in drug companies and vaccines. The question is do we trust Boris and his cronies who although listening to medical advice have got things wrong time after time since the pandemic started. Over in Sweden they never had a lockdown and they haven't had a second wave either I wonder if they are clamouring to be vaccinated? Boris and co have come out of this with very little credibility and Labour seem to be equally clueless.

 

[knowsnowt]

I think it's dangerous to infer from the reduced number of flu fatalities that some of those who have been reported as dying of Covid have actually died of flu. It's more likely that the very measure we're taking to prevent the spread of Covid are preventing the spread of flu as well, thus reducing its death count.

Unless I've misunderstood what you were suggesting there?

But those same measures should have dealt with Covid too. No?

 

[knowsnowt]

Read it all again.

It's not his choice, he can't have it for health reasons!!

It's for the benefit of people like him that anyone with a social conscience should have the vaccine if they are eligible to do so.

Not having the vaccine through choice is a very selfish choice.

You say that as fact when really it's just your opinion. It's not at all selfish to. protect oneself from the unknown. In fact it's a basic human instinct that's served us well for hundreds of thousands of years.

 

[knowsnowt]

Number one in today's selfish chart.

It's his problem, I'm entitled to do as I wish even though I could help.

Nope, not selfish at all, you're just feeling entitled.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Whilst the teams are coming out, Sinclair will be reading the bingo numbers instead of the starting lineup, once bingo has finished its onto Maggie mays.

South stand has been a pensioner day out for decades.

 

[alcoblade]

Or Google the 1978 whooping cough vaccine or the late 80's early 90's MMR vaccine scandals. Maybe small numbers affected but they may have gone through life without ever contracting whooping cough, measles, mumps or rubella and if they did odds are heavily stacked they would get over them with no long term damage. Must be something in it for the government of the day to pay out compensation to families of kids whose life was ruined.

The MMR scandal was that people listened to the nuts, rather than the scientists. It's proved perfectly safe, but measles has now returned in some places due to lack of take up of the vaccine.

It's the opposite case to the one you seem to be making.

 

[metalblade]

The point I'm trying to make (not very successfully) we had Thalidomide in the 60's, Whooping cough vaccine in the 70 (the Gov't paid out compensation) where babies were brain damaged, the MMR came along in the early 90's yes the vaccine was safe for most but wrongly given to kids who were showing side effects so is there any wonder some people are very wary of inoculations that have not passed the test of time.

The Gov't have tested 43,000 people with the new vaccine for a matter of a few months, what age were those on the test? which gender? did they have other underlying health issues? were any pregnant ? The Gov't can give you any answer they choose but how credible is this Gov't half the country for sure don't believe a word they tell us.
This is a Gov't who have been taking advice from scientists and they have still got just about every decision wrong since the first lockdown just look at the U turn on face masks for example.

The wife is tested for Covid every week at work and has been negative every time but the first time she was tested for the anti bodies she was positive along with 33% of the work force none of them apart from one suspected they have had Covid. Now my wife is in a high risk group due to COPD she had only been ill with what the doctor said was a chest infection which is fairly normal for her she has had bouts of flu which have affected her just as bad, she is in no rush to have a vaccine which is still in the very early stages of testing. The cure is fast becoming worse than the disease for all except the 1% who are badly affected we don't shut down the country for winter flu which also kills thousands every year.

 

[Dkc]

You either beleive that everyone should be forced to take the vaccine or you beleive that people should have the right to refuse it.

If you beleive that people should have the right to refuse it, you should respect their right

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

You either beleive that everyone should be forced to take the vaccine or you beleive that people should have the right to refuse it.

If you beleive that people should have the right to refuse it, you should respect their right

Yes. And the refusers will in turn have to respect businesses who have the right to require a Covid Season Ticket to access their goods & services. All good.......

 

[Tazzy]

Areas in Tier 3 with no fans after December 2: Aston Villa Wolverhampton Manchester United Manchester City Newcastle Leeds West Brom Sheffield United Leicester Burnley Spot the pattern.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Areas in Tier 3 with no fans after December 2: Aston Villa Wolverhampton Manchester United Manchester City Newcastle Leeds West Brom Sheffield United Leicester Burnley Spot the pattern.

Is it something to do with the Mainstream Media?

 

[knowsnowt]

Yes. And the refusers will in turn have to respect businesses who have the right to require a Covid Season Ticket to access their goods & services. All good.......

I think those of us who have conviction in our rights won't want to use any business that infringes on them anyway. And if I had the vaccine and was asked to prove it I'd tell them to fuck off anyway as my medical history is none of their damn business.

 

[alcoblade]

The point I'm trying to make (not very successfully) we had Thalidomide in the 60's, Whooping cough vaccine in the 70 (the Gov't paid out compensation) where babies were brain damaged, the MMR came along in the early 90's yes the vaccine was safe for most but wrongly given to kids who were showing side effects so is there any wonder some people are very wary of inoculations that have not passed the test of time.

The Gov't have tested 43,000 people with the new vaccine for a matter of a few months, what age were those on the test? which gender? did they have other underlying health issues? were any pregnant ? The Gov't can give you any answer they choose but how credible is this Gov't half the country for sure don't believe a word they tell us.
This is a Gov't who have been taking advice from scientists and they have still got just about every decision wrong since the first lockdown just look at the U turn on face masks for example.

The wife is tested for Covid every week at work and has been negative every time but the first time she was tested for the anti bodies she was positive along with 33% of the work force none of them apart from one suspected they have had Covid. Now my wife is in a high risk group due to COPD she had only been ill with what the doctor said was a chest infection which is fairly normal for her she has had bouts of flu which have affected her just as bad, she is in no rush to have a vaccine which is still in the very early stages of testing. The cure is fast becoming worse than the disease for all except the 1% who are badly affected we don't shut down the country for winter flu which also kills thousands every year.

I don't disagree with your general concerns - but you can rest assured that when testing, they control for age, gender, medical conditions. This is exactly what they're trained to do. It's top scientists doing this work, not government appointed numpties.

The Government won't have the luxury of "telling us what we want to hear" in this case. That would mean silencing the people doing the work (EG Oxford University / Astra Zeneca) , and is entering the conspiracy world fantasy arena.

I completely agree that the Government are making the cure worse than the disease. That's another story.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I think those of us who have conviction in our rights won't want to use any business that infringes on them anyway. And if I had the vaccine and was asked to prove it I'd tell them to fuck off anyway as my medical history is none of their damn business.

As is your right. This thread is about renewing your season ticket you know. Will you go & support another team, or just knock it all on the head?

 

[knowsnowt]

As is your right. This thread is about renewing your season ticket you know. Will you go & support another team, or just knock it all on the head?

I'll carry on going. I have steward friends.