Cotterill has gone

[Jim Chimmerney]

Is this more of our re-profiling?

Certainly is Len although I'm still struggling to see how Chedders fits into this overall plan and don't forget McCabe has pledged 'substantial funds' :thumbup:

My money's on that kid from Oldham, Cresswell we know about and the rest will be blown on McSheffrey leaving us to bemoan the lack of CB cover when Morgs gets his 10th red at the end of January.

 

[lenners]

It's not too far beyond the realms of possibilities ( a couple of suspensions away ) that we could field the following
Bunn
Walker Fortune Davies Stewart
Little Harper Williamson Reid
Evans Cresswell

I make that an entire team with no-one with 20 + Blades starts to their name. I think this si one reason for the disillusion, no-one has any connection with the players anymore.

Fair point.
The club doesn't seem to care that it's losing its bond with the fans.
The only player out of that lot that I could relate to is Walker and he's not our player because we sold him as soon as we could.

 

[super_pig]

>I second that
i third it.. i'm fucking fuming about this.

 

[lenners]

Certainly is Len although I'm still struggling to see how Chedders fits into this overall plan and don't forget McCabe has pledged 'substantial funds' :thumbup:

My money's on that kid from Oldham, Cresswell we know about and the rest will be blown on McSheffrey leaving us to bemoan the lack of CB cover when Morgs gets his 10th red at the end of January.

Looking like it's going to be a fight to stay up this season.
Big game coming up for club and manager on Saturday.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Looking like it's going to be a fight to stay up this season.
Big game coming up for club and manager on Saturday.

I'm going 4-0, Chedders hat-trick and post after post on here containing the phrase 'papering over the cracks'.

 

[Darren]

It's not too far beyond the realms of possibilities ( a couple of suspensions away ) that we could field the following
Bunn
Walker Fortune Davies Stewart
Little Harper Williamson Reid
Evans Cresswell

I make that an entire team with no-one with 20 + Blades starts to their name. I think this si one reason for the disillusion, no-one has any connection with the players anymore.

On a similar point the top scorers for United amongst players currently on our books are Henderson and Quinn with 14 followed by Morgan and Sharp with 13 (although I reckon Morgan has 14 - the official stats give the 2nd goal at Burnley on 9/8/05 to Webber, but I give it to big Chris).

Has their ever been a time when our leading scorer has so few goals?

 

[Bergen Blade]

Bearing in mind £500K is already earmarked for Cresswell (and he won't be on peanuts wages wise), I think we can prepare for the likes of the Oldham winger rather than any show stoppers.

£500k?? Has this been confirmed? I was expecting £50k or something, as we're surely doing them a big favour taking over his wages.

 

[Guesty]

On this 2 or 3 good crosses bollocks, he did that just in the game against Bristol last season! He set up two goals with his corners and set up Billy for a sitter (which he typically missed) after a mazy run.

Now he wasn't a world beater, nor did he perform as much as he should have, but to suggest that he never contributed anything is quite frankly cretinous.

 

[Micalijo]

I'm going 4-0, Chedders hat-trick and post after post on here containing the phrase 'papering over the cracks'.

We have a decent record of 4-0 wins against The Posh don't we? No problemo.

This lack of a connection between fans and players as described excellently is very alarming for me - and explains a lot. I've said that relegation is a ridiculous thing to think about but on the assumption that McCabe is telling porkies about the funds available in January then it's not as ridiculous as I first thought. Certainly could be very uncomfortable, if it isn't already.

 

[lenners]

I'm going 4-0, Chedders hat-trick and post after post on here containing the phrase 'papering over the cracks'.

Hmm, new manager syndrome says no. We might scrape a draw which would prolong our and our manager's agony though.

 

[Darren]

On a similar point the top scorers for United amongst players currently on our books are Henderson and Quinn with 14 followed by Morgan and Sharp with 13 (although I reckon Morgan has 14 - the official stats give the 2nd goal at Burnley on 9/8/05 to Webber, but I give it to big Chris).

Has their ever been a time when our leading scorer has so few goals?

To answer my own question, yes there has been.

By my reckoning, at the start of the 80-81 season, John Matthews was our leading scorer with 11 goals.

 

[Grecian2000]

Remind me how that season ended again!

 

[oldblade]

I think he's put 2 or 3 crosses into the right area in 2 1/2 seasons

You have got to be joking. Even when he has a poor performance or only comes on for the last part of a game, he usually produces at least one very good cross.

And last season he was comfortably the top assist provider in the side!

 

[Wards]

£500k?? Has this been confirmed? I was expecting £50k or something, as we're surely doing them a big favour taking over his wages.

Was my understanding too. Don't think we are paying anything in regards to a 'fee'. Just taking over his contract.

 

[Guesty]

To answer my own question, yes there has been.

By my reckoning, at the start of the 80-81 season, John Matthews was our leading scorer with 11 goals.

Not quite your original question, but didn't David Kelly end one season as top scorer with six goals?

 

[oldblade]

I'm going 4-0, Chedders hat-trick and post after post on here containing the phrase 'papering over the cracks'.

Even with our hapless and woefully organised defence I don't think we'll lose 4-0.

 

[Ollessendro]

Without being funny, are the sarcastic comments/getting at people/points scoring really contributing to the discussion?

Wouldn't it be more productive to explain your opinion on the matter, rather than just shouting down/taking the piss out of someone elses?

No, they are not. Fair enough. I've made my point and I will give it a rest.

On your second point. I don't have an opinion, I just clap no matter what happens. And for the record I was not shouting down DavidPinders point. Dave, I think it was a very worthwile point and don't want you to think I was taking the piss out of that post in particular.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

We have a decent record of 4-0 wins against The Posh don't we? No problemo.

Indeed, taking us back to the old Edwards/Morris combo.

In fact, I don't think they've ever beaten us, over to you Len

 

[blades1889]

cotterill is great player when he get the ball at his feet. When he does get the ball at his feet 9/10 he is facing the wrong way. We need a player maker in the middle of the park with monty and playing the right balls to people, this will make cotterill look a miles better player. cotterill is our best winger at the moment. he talented young player. i agree with f**k off blackwell from blades - 7

 

[lenners]

Indeed, taking us back to the old Edwards/Morris combo.

In fact, I don't think they've ever beaten us, over to you Len

Don't think they'll necessarily beat us but it has all the looks of a relegration scrap draw.
Are there three teams either worse and/or in more disarray than us in this league?

 

[Darren]

Indeed, taking us back to the old Edwards/Morris combo.

In fact, I don't think they've ever beaten us, over to you Len

You put that one on a plate for me...

All competitive games v Peterborough:

27/1/62 FAC 4th round A W3-1 (Russell 2, Mason)
2/8/72 Watney Cup SF A W4-0 (MacKenzie, Dearden, Woodward (pen), Hemlsey)
21/4/82 D4 A W4-0 (Edwards 2, King, Morris)
8/5/82 D4 H W4-0 (Edwards 2, Kenworthy, Morris)
28/8/84 LC 1R 1L H W1-0 (McHale)
5/9/84 LC 1R 2L A D2-2 (AET) (Morris (pen), Edwards).

So, in fact, Peterbrough have never even scored at the Lane...

 

[NN6]

what a complete joke. one of the few players with the ability to beat a man is going to be replaced by a 32 yr old 6'2" centre forward who will play out wide!!

never thought I'd hear myself say this but I'm getting to the stage where I hope we lose to Peterborough so this clown in charge has no other option but to resign

as puppet (I think) used to say Welcome to the Wilderness Years

 

[Revolution]

A few things to say about this:

1. I was on the fence about getting rid of Blackwell, not because I particularly rate him, but because I couldn't see that anyone better would want the job. But the sale of Cotterill is presumably at least partially his fault because he won't play him. I have no truck with people who cast aside our most skilful players. Get him out.

2. With the squad in the state it is at the moment, it is lunacy. Mind you, it frees up money for Cresswell or some other no mark for the future from Oldham or some other backwater who will no doubt be as impressive as the likes of Taylor has been.

3. In my opinion, Swissblade's opinion of Cotterill could not be more wrong if he tried.

4. Here is my theory of why we improved last season after the Beattie sale:

After we sold Beattie, we won a couple against the Norwiches and Southamptons of this world, and then fell out of the playoff places after losing to the Pigs and Doncaster.

then Blackwell dropped Sharp for a cast of thousands/4-5-1 and restored Cotterill to the side.

As if by magic, removing the striker who hadn't scored in 5 months and bringing in the only player at the club who can cross a ball resulted in an immediate improvement. Our best defensive record since 1969 also helped massively.

The same goes for the season before as far as Cotterill is concerned, of course. But some people think Cotterill is awful and we got better because we sold Beattie. You can't educate dripping, as a friend of mine is fond of saying.

5. Of course, none of this is remotely surprising given the way the club has been run for the last 18 months or so.

 

[Grecian2000]

"You can't educate dripping, as a friend of mine is fond of saying."

My favourite sentence of the day.

 

[matth]

what a complete joke. one of the few players with the ability to beat a man is going to be replaced by a 32 yr old 6'2" centre forward who will play out wide!!

never thought I'd hear myself say this but I'm getting to the stage where I hope we lose to Peterborough so this clown in charge has no other option but to resign

as puppet (I think) used to say Welcome to the Wilderness Years

He'll never resign as long as I've got a hole in my arse. He's a stubborn so and so, and let's be honest, resigning would be kissing goodbye to a nice golden handshake.

 

[Darren]

He'll never resign as long as I've got a hole in my arse. He's a stubborn so and so, and let's be honest, resigning would be kissing goodbye to a nice golden handshake.

Yes, but no-one just resigns. They say "its looking a bit crap and I know you want to get rid of me. I will throw in my hand if you agree to pay off my contract to the tune of £xthousand" and, if the club wants rid, the two sides negotiate.

 

[bladesadviser]

If we are paying any money for Cresswell its wrong. Not because he is a bad player but because you should never have to pay for a player in the twlight of his career who can't get a game at his current club. Now 500k for the other Stoke striker on loan at Middlesborough is ok. As for Cotterill read Nathan Dyer. Good at what he does but for whatever reason thats not enough for Blackwell. Perhaps he doesn't like "real" wingers only ones that can defend as well

 

[Deleted member 1486]

If we are paying any money for Cresswell its wrong. Not because he is a bad player but because you should never have to pay for a player in the twlight of his career who can't get a game at his current club. Now 500k for the other Stoke striker on loan at Middlesborough is ok. As for Cotterill read Nathan Dyer. Good at what he does but for whatever reason thats not enough for Blackwell. Perhaps he doesn't like "real" wingers only ones that can defend as well

Indeed, you'd think Stoke would be happy to be rid of him off their wage bill. Half a mill for a 32 year old who can't get in Stoke's first team?

 

[Stafford Blade]

On this 2 or 3 good crosses bollocks, he did that just in the game against Bristol last season! He set up two goals with his corners and set up Billy for a sitter (which he typically missed) after a mazy run.

Now he wasn't a world beater, nor did he perform as much as he should have, but to suggest that he never contributed anything is quite frankly cretinous.

whilst he was liable to put the odd good cross in now and then. His overall contribution has not been good enough. He's all happy and confident when team is on top and playing well but he is the 1st one to go missing when the tackles start flying in. Wingers in the modern game do have a defensive contribution to make and Cotterill just won't do the ugly side of the game and track back to help out the full back. Plenty of goals were scored against us down our right when Cotterill was in the side. He was very lucky that for the majority of his games he was playing in front of Kyle Naughton

 

[Guesty]

whilst he was liable to put the odd good cross in now and then. His overall contribution has not been good enough. He's all happy and confident when team is on top and playing well but he is the 1st one to go missing when the tackles start flying in. Wingers in the modern game do have a defensive contribution to make and Cotterill just won't do the ugly side of the game and track back to help out the full back. Plenty of goals were scored against us down our right when Cotterill was in the side. He was very lucky that for the majority of his games he was playing in front of Kyle Naughton

I'm not saying that Cotterill was a great player worthy of a starting place all the time, nor am I all cut up that he's left.

I'm simply saying that to claim that he only put in two or three crosses in his entire time here is the deluded ramblings of a simpleton.