Cotterill has gone

[mattbianco1]

An absolute f**king disgrace. If this goes ahead I’m whipping my shoes and readying them as ammo.

Cotterill is easily the most dangerous player at the club, and he just needs to work on his consistency. Blackwell needs to recognise this and work with him to improve it, as on his day he can be devastating. No doubt that he’ll be a major success for the swans.

He's got a sick mother and wants to be closer to home. Good luck to him.

I do feel that an extended, un-interupted spell in the team would benefit him. Look how well we did towards the end of last season. He was involved a lot after xmas

 

[Grecian2000]

Ahhhh I forgot that any thread is now deemed open season on Blackwell bashing.

So was Blackwell also responsible for Cotterill reviving our season last season or does Blackie not deserve credit for that? I guess not.

Ok reasons and conspiracies aside... (I know it'll be hard for some) But answer one question.

Has Cotterill been consistent enough to be playing every week?

And by consistent I mean doing the entire job that is expected of him week in week out in this league. Not what you'd expect if he was playing for Barca

OK, I'll put aside the complete bollocks from your other posts and stick with the question.

It seems a lot of people have seen Blackwell's treatment of Cotts as less than consistent than when dealing with other players. Is that really "bashing" him? a little bit oversensitive I would say.

Yes Blackwell was responsible for bringing him back and the increased level of form last season. Well done him. He was also responsible for the god awful football without him at the start of the season.

In answer to your "big" question. YES. When given a run he get's his consistency levels up and creates more chances than any other player we have. The results, and his assists, at the back end of the last two seasons suggest this.
I presume from your last comment that you think his job is defensive rather than creative. Like I've said elsewhere, it's a shame some of our defensive players can't actually pass a ball and add just a tiny bit of creativity to the piece and then we might actually create something worth watching anyway.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Has Cotterill been consistent enough to be playing every week?

With that reasoning we should be looking to sell the entire team.

 

[Wards]

I think most people that have actually played the game can appreciate that wingers are going to be the most frustrating players on the pitch at times. They can be absolute shite for 89 minutes then pop up with a flash of brilliance to change a game, it's just the way they work.

They shouldn't be tracking back all the time, as Blackwell and Warnock wanted them to do. They should be getting chalk on their boots and worrying the full back, being inconsistant but producing some magic when it matters.

Would be very dissapointed to see Cotterill go. On his day (or for 5 minutes every game) he's a class act, and will invariably get to the byline and stick a good cross or two in.

 

[TonyAgana]

by crosses I don't mean the ones that sail on by into the keepers hands, kop etc.

Kop? Only if we lost the toss!! Usually an 80th minute sub, isn't he?

Bad news losing Cotts. If the comment about his family life is accurate then fair play, good luck to him, etc. Still, I personally think we've lost a game winner.

 

[SwissBlade]

Very unlike you this Swiss, coming out with comments that are totally without foundation. Of course you are entitled to do that, but 2 or 3 decent crosses - joke comment imo worthy of some stick. Pretty predictable you throw in the anger management one - you've done that with me already and it is very poor.

And nobody is turning this into a Blackwell thread. You are making that up as well. Of course the manager has an influence on a player and it is impossible to sensibly discuss Cotterill without discussing the manager who signed him.

Anyway, as above, it's McCabe's doing in my opinion. I half suspect Blackwell would like to keep him - inspite of everything pointing to the contrary.

I don't think we can say if its Blackie or McCabe thats pushung him out. The only evidence I've seen is that Cotts wants 1st team football. Anything else is speculation.

Micaljo, I don't think I used the anger management one with you, not sure who used it but I think I plagurised (correct spelling?) that one.

Seriously, I can't get excited about Cotterills name on the team sheet anymore. He never does enough for me. I saw a lot of games last season and yes I saw Cotterill put a lot of crosses in, more than many players that have come before or since in recent times. But more often than not when the ball went into the the box it was rarely anywhere near the Strikers. True the Strikers have to work with the wingers but when the ball is so far away from our strikers then whats the point.

2 or 3 decent crosses in 2 1/2 seasons is all I can think of, sorry I'm talking Quality balls. (Personally) I don't believe he picks out players. For me, Keeef could deliver a ball to a player's head or foot. Cotterill rarely does. Thats my point.

I actually want(ed) him to do well but during the bad run's he's never there - Under Robbo, start of last season and this season. Some think he hasn't had his chance, but I beg to differ. When he plays and has his chance he doesn't do enough. On his day he is capable of and should be tearing up full backs in this division but he doesn't do it enough. We can't afford to wait for players like on the off chance that they may perform one day.

As for turning this into a Blackwell thread, sorry but read back through the posts.

 

[davidpinder]

I think we should be trying to keep hold of everybody at this moment in time. We haven't got a big squad and he is another player/body we now have to replace. Even if people think we have cover for his spot, it is still another player gone.

 

[Ollessendro]

I think we should be trying to keep hold of everybody at this moment in time. We haven't got a big squad and he is another player/body we now have to replace. Even if people think we have cover for his spot, it is still another player gone.

How dare you question the Messiah that is Kevin Blackwell!!?? Shut your mounth and clap your hands!?

 

[Foxy]

How dare you question the Messiah that is Kevin Blackwell!!?? Shut your mounth and clap your hands!?

Without being funny, are the sarcastic comments/getting at people/points scoring really contributing to the discussion?

Wouldn't it be more productive to explain your opinion on the matter, rather than just shouting down/taking the piss out of someone elses?

 

[davidpinder]

How dare you question the Messiah that is Kevin Blackwell!!?? Shut your mounth and clap your hands!?

I really don't know how to take that. Whats a mounth?

 

[davidpinder]

Without being funny, are the sarcastic comments/getting at people/points scoring really contributing to the discussion?

Wouldn't it be more productive to explain your opinion on the matter, rather than just shouting down/taking the piss out of someone elses?

I want to know what a mounth is?

 

[Bramley]

Nowhere near as effective as Ward down the right, surely even Cotterill fans will agree with that.

 

[Bramley]

Two of the most amazing comments I've ever read!

Blackwell has constantly hurled abuse at Cotts from the touchline, left him out regularly and even singled him out as the reason we lost at Swansea this season. He's more to blame than anyone if Cotterill is to be classed as a failure.

2 or 3 crosses - that's just silly talk and not worthy of a response.

Coops, but he's nowhere near as effective as Ward don't you think?

 

[Ballinpigpubs13]

Shame if cotterill's gone. Never been given enough time on the pitch, yet the ginger sack of shit get's a game week in, week out? If cotterill been given the shirt more often we may have seen the best of him. He scare's the shit out of people when he flies down the wing. We will regret letting him go!!!!

 

[Lightsoot]

Cotterill has been very inconsistent but I don't agree with Blackwell moving him on given our current injury predicament.

Ward has performed better down the right but personally I'd prefer to see Jamie play down the middle with Henderson and then look to play Cotterill or Little on the right wing.

Cotterill can also play on the left if needs be and interchanged well with greg Halford during our promotion surge last season. It's worth remembering that Keith Treacy is only with us on a 6 month loan and it would appear that Blackwell doesn't fancy another winger he signed in Kyel Reid!

 

[matth]

I think we should be trying to keep hold of everybody at this moment in time. We haven't got a big squad and he is another player/body we now have to replace. Even if people think we have cover for his spot, it is still another player gone.

Definitely - look at the left back position. One would imagine that with three left-backs at the club, we wouldn't be having to put square pegs into round holes, but it can happen. The left back position is one that I do genuinely feel sorry for Blackwell about, as there's really nothing that he could have done about it. The holes in the rest of the team are not so much unlucky as poor management.

 

[Worksop II]

Coops, but he's nowhere near as effective as Ward don't you think?

He has been better than Ward in the last half dozen games ...... or so

 

[madeinsheffield]

Coops, but he's nowhere near as effective as Ward don't you think?

Personally I would rather play Cotts wide, with Treacy on the other wing then have Ward and evans up front, we would do more damage to other teams with width and pace (ok evans aint quick) rather than bang it over the top for the opposing centre halves to have either heading practice all afternoon of winning free kicks against 'the best centre forward in the division'

 

[shreds1975]

I wonder if Wigan fans thought the same when they cashed in on him.

Yes on his day he can be devastating, but never for a full 90, he rarely mucks in and i can count on 1 hand how many times he's had his day with us.

This is one that despite Blackies failings in some areas. Cotterill's failure can't be pinned on Blackie. How many times has he had to cuddle him and tell him he's a good player only for him to have yet another shocker?

I think he's put 2 or 3 crosses into the right area in 2 1/2 seasons

I think its a disgrace that we've paid him all this time

He put 2 or 3 good crosses in during the last quarter of an hour of the Newcastle game, 2 of which led to attempts on goal and another Hendo should have done better with. I can start recalling the rest of the last 2 1/2 seasons if you want....?

Have you been sat with Walker, Bennett and Giddings?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Nowhere near as effective as Ward down the right, surely even Cotterill fans will agree with that.

Depends what you mean by effective, how many assists has Wardy provided from that position this season ? He's done well, scored goals (although not exactly from that position) and certainly gets about the pitch more than Cotts but has Wardy been an effective right midfield/winger ?

To me, this is Blackwell's main problem. Cotts suffered last season because of his insistence on playing Halford on the right side of midfield just to accomodate him, now it's Ward. Wardy, as well as he's done wide right, would be far more effective buzzing in and around the box but he won't change his trusted formation or drop Hendo and try something different.

This Saturday he has the perfect opportunity to play Evans and Ward in the middle, Treacy and Cotts on each wing, a formation I suspect most of us would love to see, but he won't.

 

[Toronto Blade]

It's tough to see another young player leave the Lane.Good move for Cotterill he will be in the starting eleven with lots of time to improve.
As McCabe has stated money will be available for the transfer window .This move along with Killas sale and loanees returning to their clubs will provide the money but will it all be put back in to buy quality. I really don't want to hear the old excuse that our targets were stolen at the last minute by other clubs so we settled for second choice, bargain buys.

 

[Houso]

Whichever way you look at it, in January we're likely to be swapping a pacey skillful 21 year old full international for a 32 year old slow striker who is likely to be used on the wing. The wages for the latter will likely be in excess of those of the former.

Sorry, that's not good business... and I'm not fundementally against the Cresswell transfer. Blackwell is slowly turning the team towards his vision, and I'm sorry, but it's not particularly pleasant to look at.

 

[raul]

Better put your fingers in your ears then...

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

It's tough to see another young player leave the Lane.Good move for Cotterill he will be in the starting eleven with lots of time to improve.
As McCabe has stated money will be available for the transfer window .This move along with Killas sale and loanees returning to their clubs will provide the money but will it all be put back in to buy quality. I really don't want to hear the old excuse that our targets were stolen at the last minute by other clubs so we settled for second choice, bargain buys.

Bearing in mind £500K is already earmarked for Cresswell (and he won't be on peanuts wages wise), I think we can prepare for the likes of the Oldham winger rather than any show stoppers.

 

[Torrix1889]

I have mixed feelings on this one to be fair.

On one hand I am furious with Blackwell who is letting another player go, (it could have been anyone) when the squad is wafer thin as it is and we have injuries, (not as bad as they make out though). All I can say is either his hand has been forced by the powers that be or he has players lined up to come in during the January window. Problem with that is though we have to get to January!

On the other hand I was never a massive fan of Cotts and thought he was a luxury player in the mold of Michael Tongue.

Having said all that I will go back and blame Blackwell because if we played to Cotterills strengths he would have made more of an impact. 9 times out of 10 Cotts received the ball on the wing with his back to goal or was expected to pick it up on the half way line then try and carry it up the touchline. Look at Nathan Dyer, he had stacks of ability but we didn’t play to his strengths and off he went. He’s now in the form of his life, ironically at Swansea.

Blackwell will soon achieve his dream of a starting 11 completely devoid of footballers and full of Carthorses.

 

[beechblade]

Personally I'm a little bemused. I don't rate Cotterill I find him too inconsistent and I personally believe he's had enough time on the field to assert a regular position but has failed to do so, However getting rid of another player when our squad is so depleted is what baffles me, Blackie isn't giving Reid a chance and that really only leaves us with Treacy and Little as our main out and out wide men, so I can't figure this move out.

I think its quite clear he isn't going to give him a proper run in the team anymore as he could have played Cotts out wide in the newcastle game but instead he used Stewart in this role. (Can't remember if he was injured) But come on what are they going to sell next, thats the full backs sold (granted we did cover this position, just highly unfortuante with injuries there now) Centre Backs and the strikers were left with 2 out and out wingers if he doesn't give Reid a chance, and the forward line has been sparse on manpower for the most part of the season. That just leaves the centre of midfield that hasn't had a complete overhaul to near non-existence and still highly thread bare there.

 

[raul]

It's not too far beyond the realms of possibilities ( a couple of suspensions away ) that we could field the following
Bunn
Walker Fortune Davies Stewart
Little Harper Williamson Reid
Evans Cresswell

I make that an entire team with no-one with 20 + Blades starts to their name. I think this si one reason for the disillusion, no-one has any connection with the players anymore.

 

[matth]

The powers that be will see the folly of cashing in next season when we sell about 14,000 season tickets and no one wants to sponsor us...

 

[lenners]

Is this more of our re-profiling?
Going to be interesting to see what, if anything, comes to the Lane in return for Cotts and Killa in January - Cresswell aside.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

It's not too far beyond the realms of possibilities ( a couple of suspensions away ) that we could field the following
Bunn
Walker Fortune Davies Stewart
Little Harper Williamson Reid
Evans Cresswell

I make that an entire team with no-one with 20 + Blades starts to their name. I think this si one reason for the disillusion, no-one has any connection with the players anymore.

and arguably the players wouldn't have any particular loyalty or fight for the club.

Don't worry, Lord of Montgomery will be back soon