Cooper or Dyche

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So we stick with Selles?
Which manager we bring in now if going to create a stable top tier side for us?
The most important thing is to get the best manager available.Selles is definitely not the right man for this size of a task.The club must move on this now.Otherwise we will go from contenders to hoping we can finish above Wendy
 

Don’t get Gary O’Neil, the English Selles, go for someone who can do the business. Throw a boatload of cash at Cooper, or go for Dyche.

You've changed your tune.

Pre-season you were telling us about how RS's magical coaching would take us to the promised land.

The sceptics (sorry, 'bedwetters'), warned otherwise, but you knew your stuff.
 
I don't understand your point?

You want our next manager to be the one who keeps us in the prem permanently? Have you looked at the league table?
This sort of thinking demonstrates a real lack of understanding of what goes into becoming a premier league club.

look at how teams like Liverpool, Brentford, Brighton etc… have gone about the process of replacing managers, it’s barely affected their output. Liverpool replaced their best manager in a lifetime and his replacement won the league. Brentford have replaced Frank with Keith Andrew’s and it’s barely changed their results.

This is why managers like Dyche & Cooper (and now wilder) are out of jobs, no one wants that type of manager anymore because any success is short term, and only lasts as long as the manager gets a tune out of the players. There is nothing sustainable about it.

Even championship clubs like Bristol, Norwich, Swansea. Oxford etc… have given up chasing short term success to introduce a system where the success of the entire club isn’t driven by a single person.

More than happy to argue about the lack of success our board have had achieving this, but all those chasing Selles out need to realise the next manager will be in the same mould.
 
This sort of thinking demonstrates a real lack of understanding of what goes into becoming a premier league club.

look at how teams like Liverpool, Brentford, Brighton etc… have gone about the process of replacing managers, it’s barely affected their output. Liverpool replaced their best manager in a lifetime and his replacement won the league. Brentford have replaced Frank with Keith Andrew’s and it’s barely changed their results.

This is why managers like Dyche & Cooper (and now wilder) are out of jobs, no one wants that type of manager anymore because any success is short term, and only lasts as long as the manager gets a tune out of the players. There is nothing sustainable about it.

Even championship clubs like Bristol, Norwich, Swansea. Oxford etc… have given up chasing short term success to introduce a system where the success of the entire club isn’t driven by a single person.

More than happy to argue about the lack of success our board have had achieving this, but all those chasing Selles out need to realise the next manager will be in the same mould.

I’m not chasing Selles out. But all this talk of sustaining in the Premier League is premature when we are sat bottom of the Championship whilst we seemingly intend to have a managerial merry go round until hopefully someone gets lucky. And if they are unlucky enough to miss out on the last game of the season, we’ll sack them and start all over again.
 
You've changed your tune.

Pre-season you were telling us about how RS's magical coaching would take us to the promised land.

The sceptics (sorry, 'bedwetters'), warned otherwise, but you knew your stuff.

I’ve always been sceptical on Selles but my position was that COH must have identified some hidden tactical abilities, hitherto unseen, which would elevate us or we wouldn’t have appointed him.

I’ve not dished out Bedwetters about this summer as I think concerns were largely reasonable.
 
I’ve always been sceptical on Selles but my position was that COH must have identified some hidden tactical abilities, hitherto unseen, which would elevate us or we wouldn’t have appointed him.

I’ve not dished out Bedwetters about this summer as I think concerns were largely reasonable.

I took your post about his wonderful coaching abilities, at face vale, but if you were being ironic, then fair enough.

In my mind you did a fair bit of cheerleading for RS, so either you are being a bit of a tinker here, or, my old brain is more addled than I thought.
 
This sort of thinking demonstrates a real lack of understanding of what goes into becoming a premier league club.

look at how teams like Liverpool, Brentford, Brighton etc… have gone about the process of replacing managers, it’s barely affected their output. Liverpool replaced their best manager in a lifetime and his replacement won the league. Brentford have replaced Frank with Keith Andrew’s and it’s barely changed their results.

This is why managers like Dyche & Cooper (and now wilder) are out of jobs, no one wants that type of manager anymore because any success is short term, and only lasts as long as the manager gets a tune out of the players. There is nothing sustainable about it.

Even championship clubs like Bristol, Norwich, Swansea. Oxford etc… have given up chasing short term success to introduce a system where the success of the entire club isn’t driven by a single person.

More than happy to argue about the lack of success our board have had achieving this, but all those chasing Selles out need to realise the next manager will be in the same mould.
19 of 20 Premier League clubs had Directors of Football/Sporting Directors last season and systems/strategies in place to ensure the smooth running of the clubs including recruitment. The vast number of major clubs throughout Europe have had Directors of Football/Sporting Directors and successful systems/strategies for years. A prime example, albeit at very high level, is Bayern Munich - last 7 seasons 6 Bundesliga titles and 1 Champions League win with 5 different coaches, including Vincent Kompany who was relegated with Burnley. He was able to fit in seamlessly into the "Bayern way" and continue their success.
 
19 of 20 Premier League clubs had Directors of Football/Sporting Directors last season and systems/strategies in place to ensure the smooth running of the clubs including recruitment. The vast number of major clubs throughout Europe have had Directors of Football/Sporting Directors and successful systems/strategies for years. A prime example, albeit at very high level, is Bayern Munich - last 7 seasons 6 Bundesliga titles and 1 Champions League win with 5 different coaches, including Vincent Kompany who was relegated with Burnley. He was able to fit in seamlessly into the "Bayern way" and continue their success.

Yeah, so what.

We've got Bettis, some sneks" and Dorris the tea lady - so what's your point?

" With apologies to Webding
 

I keep hearing that Dyche is too similar to Wilder. How has Chris Wilder's style of play all of a sudden become the same as Sean Dyche's?

Dyche has been known for long ball, defensive football for about 15 years. Chris Wilder brought probably the best football I've ever seen at Bramall Lane. Yes it wasn't as easy on the eye last season (although there were signs for the last 7 or so games that it had turned a corner), but it wasn't exactly long ball was it? And I don't think one season while gelling together a brand new squad, changes everything that's gone before, does it?

Personality-wise, they're also nothing alike.
 
I keep hearing that Dyche is too similar to Wilder. How has Chris Wilder's style of play all of a sudden become the same as Sean Dyche's?

Dyche has been known for long ball, defensive football for about 15 years. Chris Wilder brought probably the best football I've ever seen at Bramall Lane. Yes it wasn't as easy on the eye last season (although there were signs for the last 7 or so games that it had turned a corner), but it wasn't exactly long ball was it? And I don't think one season while gelling together a brand new squad, changes everything that's gone before, does it?

Personality-wise, they're also nothing alike.

They're both English, so that's not sexy for our football hipsters.

RS is Spanish and talks in riddles about formations, so he was 'the future', a few weeks ago.

Oddly, those wetting themselves after a couple of friendly wins have gone a bit quiet recently
 
Would take Dyche, 100%.
CV speaks for itself.

I don't think the owners will go for that type though.
I get it, I really do, but I don't understand why we got rid of a successful manager because the football was apparently so awful to watch, only to replace him with Dyche. It just doesn't make any sense.
 
Stay off the re-circled usual suspects. DOF first then good coaches
 
I get it, I really do, but I don't understand why we got rid of a successful manager because the football was apparently so awful to watch, only to replace him with Dyche. It just doesn't make any sense.
Image of the club being dragged down indiscipline unprofessional poor decision making ego rigid not adapting or encouraging change
That’s probably got something to do with it
 
Image of the club being dragged down indiscipline unprofessional poor decision making ego rigid not adapting or encouraging change
That’s probably got something to do with it
Image of the club to whom? I’ve not heard any external expert analysis suggest that we as a club were anything other than bonkers to get rid of him but Im sure there will be one somewhere in the depths. Just because I think we were absolutely mad doesn't mean I don’t want to move on just that CW is the baseline so it needs to be a genuinely ambitious appointment to give us some confidence that the board mean what they have said. Dyche is absolutly not the man for a combination of attractive rand effective football which was the main reason given by the anti Wilder brigade (before they had to try and drag up other weird and wonderful issues to make CW look as bad as possible - very Trimpian!) - by the way, Im not sure if it’s clear but I disagree with your view and that's fine 👍
 

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