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Realistically we are not going to be able to spend massive amounts on any replacements and our loan players will be going back so Davies, Hourihane and MGW will be gone and we can't expect 5 or 6 youngsters to step up at once. Rumour about Egan being looked at by West Ham. I suspect if we don't get up this year we will offer to keep a few of the players whose contracts are up. Freeman has been injured so isn't playing and haven't seen Burke featuring for Milwall either.
 
Thank f*** for that. Billy and Bash are musts- but if we are going to be relying on frees, low fees and young'uns, the old heads become bloody vital. In games but in training and around the club too.

I think under Hecky, whether you like Norwood or not he's definitely taken on more of a leadership role, you can see that on the field and how he is with the younger players. For that same reason I'd give Didzy another one year contract too, but I'd understand if we don't.
 
jt64 said:
Do those things even exist outside of people's imagination?
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If they do, they'll be incredibly rare. If we offered Didsy that, he'd just go to Preston/Millwall/Derby etc on a proper one year deal.
 
Oh, as for the others- Osborn god yeah, give him a contract. I'm still confused by him ever getting abuse, has it in him to be Bash-like. And aye, Robbo too, we know he'll cost us a goal but he's done great lately (ignore Satdy).

Moose? If we're going with kids, and old heads are valuable, equally important is to get rid of the dickheads. Tempting to try and get some money back because he can play, but probably get him and McBurnie as far away as humanly possible from any of the young lads before they turn them into wasters n'all.
 
Several contracts are coming to an end next summer including Norwood and McBurnie and Ndiaye the year after.

Realistically a new contract does not stop anyone leaving but if nothing else it will increase the fee we receive. Hecky has mentioned offering new deals to certain players a few times this season and nothing seems to have happened. Not sure if there have been any more developments? Other than easing the short-term cash flow, I cannot see any benefit to delaying.
 
Withington Blade said:
Several contracts are coming to an end next summer including Norwood and McBurnie and Ndiaye the year after.

Realistically a new contract does not stop anyone leaving but if nothing else it will increase the fee we receive. Hecky has mentioned offering new deals to certain players a few times this season and nothing seems to have happened. Not sure if there have been any more developments? Other than easing the short-term cash flow, I cannot see any benefit to delaying.
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Need some to be dished out sharpish otherwise we will have lot of players with 12 months left

Bogle / Mcburnie / Egan / Ndiaye

All surely must have 12 months left at the end of the season which isn’t great

I thought mcburnie was out of contract this summer 😳
 
Withington Blade said:
Other than easing the short-term cash flow, I cannot see any benefit to delaying.
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There's no benefit for us in delaying but there's a massive benefit for the player in delaying.

For example if N'Diaye let's his contract run down then in 2024 he'll be able to join a PL club on £100K a week over 4 years.
That's a £20 million contract paid to him, so he'll be a millionaire and the club buying him as happy as there's no transfer fee.

Also to be honest the massive financial disparity and the big different in playing standard between the PL and Championship makes it so difficult to set things in stone.
Any player is going to assume we'll reach the PL so they're going to want massive pay rises.

However we might find younger, cheaper and better alternatives to what we already have, so it'll be a bit cat and mouse.
You only need to look at McBurnie, he's been robbing the club for much of his contract and not been up to standard even at Championship level.

Then he scores a goal away at Luton and then very quickly turns into Brian Deane with regular impressive dominant displays.
So what contract would you offer McBurnie when after the World Cup he could very easily return back to being Chris Porter.
Also once players are given a reward for great performances they can lose their hunger and go back into their shell playing just OK.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Also once players are given a reward for great performances they can lose their hunger and go back into their shell playing just OK.
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Great post which pretty well nails the situation.

This absolutely happens, but in Ndiaye I see a player who is focused on making the most of himself and doing whatever it takes to get to the top. His attitude seems top class and I don’t think the money will push him into any comfort zone.
 



Sheffsteel said:
There's no benefit for us in delaying but there's a massive benefit for the player in delaying.

For example if N'Diaye let's his contract run down then in 2024 he'll be able to join a PL club on £100K a week over 4 years.
That's a £20 million contract paid to him, so he'll be a millionaire and the club buying him as happy as there's no transfer fee.

Also to be honest the massive financial disparity and the big different in playing standard between the PL and Championship makes it so difficult to set things in stone.
Any player is going to assume we'll reach the PL so they're going to want massive pay rises.

However we might find younger, cheaper and better alternatives to what we already have, so it'll be a bit cat and mouse.
You only need to look at McBurnie, he's been robbing the club for much of his contract and not been up to standard even at Championship level.

Then he scores a goal away at Luton and then very quickly turns into Brian Deane with regular impressive dominant displays.
So what contract would you offer McBurnie when after the World Cup he could very easily return back to being Chris Porter.
Also once players are given a reward for great performances they can lose their hunger and go back into their shell playing just OK.
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I agree in part but I don’t think the answer is to sit on our hands and do nothing. Ndiaye will have plenty of suitors but a contract on improved terms with a buyout is realistic and would improve our current situation.

As for McBurnie, a lot of his underperformance, in my opinion, has been down to being used incorrectly as a target man. When he’s injury- free and played in his best position, he’s very effective, particularly at this level. From what you hear, his attitude is spot on, I think it’s unfair to suggest he would down tools or ease off if his contract was extended.
 
We need to give Ndiaye whatever he wants IMO. He should be on parity with the top earners at the club because he is our top player.

I think he'll only sign a new deal if we insert a realistic release clause that will allow him to leave should a big club come in for him. I'd say £35-40m is reasonable which means he's not out priced of a move but we are also suitably compensated. Could maybe insert a clause that increases this to £50-60m if we get promoted.
 
Nick Jansky said:
but in Ndiaye I see a player who is focused on making the most of himself and doing whatever it takes to get to the top. His attitude seems top class and I don’t think the money will push him into any comfort zone.
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Agree, I reckon Ndiaye is totally focussed and confident he can go to the top, so we'll need to obliterate our salary cap to keep him otherwise he'll get big money elsewhere. Really pleased for Illiman that it's all starting to take shape, his confidence must be growing each month and then he has the World Cup experience.

Remember 2 years ago when Wilder was asked who the best player at the club was, no one on this forum could guess what answer he gave.
However Wilder replied N'Diaye, which was remarkable as he'd not even played for the first team at that point.
Also what a weird strategy, we were deliberately refusing to play him in the PL, as it would put him in the shop window and then be able to leave on a free.
So we played hard ball and kind of forced him to sign a contract extension.

Then remember when Morgan Gibbs-White joined us on loan last season from PL Wolves, one of his 1st comments was about how good N'Diaye was in training.
For well over a season our players have been saying N'DIaye does incredible stuff in training and is our most talented player.
Apparently when there's 5 a side practice sessions, everyone wants to be on N'Diaye's side as apparently he's easily the best 5 a side player at the club.

He's, thankfully built up strength and fitness for this season and now seems to be carrying over his performances in training to match days. Deserves all the plaudits.
 
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Withington Blade said:
Several contracts are coming to an end next summer including Norwood and McBurnie and Ndiaye the year after.

Realistically a new contract does not stop anyone leaving but if nothing else it will increase the fee we receive. Hecky has mentioned offering new deals to certain players a few times this season and nothing seems to have happened. Not sure if there have been any more developments? Other than easing the short-term cash flow, I cannot see any benefit to delaying.
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Offering is one thing, acceptance a very different beast !
 
Sheffsteel said:
There's no benefit for us in delaying but there's a massive benefit for the player in delaying.

For example if N'Diaye let's his contract run down then in 2024 he'll be able to join a PL club on £100K a week over 4 years.
That's a £20 million contract paid to him, so he'll be a millionaire and the club buying him as happy as there's no transfer fee.

Also to be honest the massive financial disparity and the big different in playing standard between the PL and Championship makes it so difficult to set things in stone.
Any player is going to assume we'll reach the PL so they're going to want massive pay rises.

However we might find younger, cheaper and better alternatives to what we already have, so it'll be a bit cat and mouse.
You only need to look at McBurnie, he's been robbing the club for much of his contract and not been up to standard even at Championship level.

Then he scores a goal away at Luton and then very quickly turns into Brian Deane with regular impressive dominant displays.
So what contract would you offer McBurnie when after the World Cup he could very easily return back to being Chris Porter.
Also once players are given a reward for great performances they can lose their hunger and go back into their shell playing just OK.
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Porter was ok and scored some crucial goals I recall
 
Sheffsteel said:
Agree but I reckon Ndiaye is confident he can go very far....so we'll need to obliterate our salary cap to keep him otherwise he'll get big money elsewhere.
Really pleased for Illiman that it's all starting to take shape, his confidence must be growing each month and then he has the World Cup experience.

Remember 2 years ago when Wilder was asked who the best player at the club was, no one on this forum could guess what answer he gave.
However Wilder replied N'Diaye, which was remarkable as he'd not even played for the first team at that point.
Also what a weird strategy, we were deliberately refusing to play him in the PL, as it would put him in the shop window and then be able to leave on a free.
So we played hard ball and kind of forced him to sign a contract extension.

Then remember when Morgan Gibbs-White joined us on loan last season from PL Wolves, one of his 1st comments was about how good N'Diaye was in training.
For well over a season our players have been saying N'DIaye does incredible stuff in training and is our most talented player.
Apparently when there's 5 a side practice sessions, everyone wants to be on N'Diaye side as apparently he's easily the best 5 a side player at the club.

He's, thankfully built up strength and fitness for this season and now seems to be carrying over his performances in training to match days. Deserves all the plaudits.
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Just imagine what he’s going to get from training with the likes of Mane during the WC. I don’t think Iliman will get much game time, but the experience he will gain will be amazing for him & for us.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Agree but I reckon Ndiaye is totally focussed and confident he can go to the top, so we'll need to obliterate our salary cap to keep him otherwise he'll get big money elsewhere. Really pleased for Illiman that it's all starting to take shape, his confidence must be growing each month and then he has the World Cup experience.

Remember 2 years ago when Wilder was asked who the best player at the club was, no one on this forum could guess what answer he gave.
However Wilder replied N'Diaye, which was remarkable as he'd not even played for the first team at that point.
Also what a weird strategy, we were deliberately refusing to play him in the PL, as it would put him in the shop window and then be able to leave on a free.
So we played hard ball and kind of forced him to sign a contract extension.

Then remember when Morgan Gibbs-White joined us on loan last season from PL Wolves, one of his 1st comments was about how good N'Diaye was in training.
For well over a season our players have been saying N'DIaye does incredible stuff in training and is our most talented player.
Apparently when there's 5 a side practice sessions, everyone wants to be on N'Diaye side as apparently he's easily the best 5 a side player at the club.

He's, thankfully built up strength and fitness for this season and now seems to be carrying over his performances in training to match days. Deserves all the plaudits.
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Spot on. He receives some dreadful balls but manages to control and turn quickly, as well as using strength he appears not to have at first glance.
 
Sheffsteel said:
There's no benefit for us in delaying but there's a massive benefit for the player in delaying.

For example if N'Diaye let's his contract run down then in 2024 he'll be able to join a PL club on £100K a week over 4 years.
That's a £20 million contract paid to him, so he'll be a millionaire and the club buying him as happy as there's no transfer fee.

Also to be honest the massive financial disparity and the big different in playing standard between the PL and Championship makes it so difficult to set things in stone.
Any player is going to assume we'll reach the PL so they're going to want massive pay rises.

However we might find younger, cheaper and better alternatives to what we already have, so it'll be a bit cat and mouse.
You only need to look at McBurnie, he's been robbing the club for much of his contract and not been up to standard even at Championship level.

Then he scores a goal away at Luton and then very quickly turns into Brian Deane with regular impressive dominant displays.
So what contract would you offer McBurnie when after the World Cup he could very easily return back to being Chris Porter.
Also once players are given a reward for great performances they can lose their hunger and go back into their shell playing just OK.
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Running down your contract is fine if you have already enough money, but the risk for younger players is getting badly injured and having nowhere to go when the contract ends.
 
If your making Leeds pay, I'll have a house,2k a week and I'll pick my last thing later. That would mean i would get free things.
 
Nelson1889 said:
We need to give Ndiaye whatever he wants IMO. He should be on parity with the top earners at the club because he is our top player.

I think he'll only sign a new deal if we insert a realistic release clause that will allow him to leave should a big club come in for him. I'd say £35-40m is reasonable which means he's not out priced of a move but we are also suitably compensated. Could maybe insert a clause that increases this to £50-60m if we get promoted.
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Agree with the above in theory but lets look at some figures to show the reality of the situation.

Think our top earners are on 30K a week, altho free agent Jags was apparently on 50K a week.
So if we offer him 30K over 4 years that means he'll be given 6 million.
What a deal for SUFC?, we commit ourselves to paying out £6 million with a very strong possibility of receiving £20 million and possibly £50 million.

So just imagine his agent advising him to refuse any contract extension and let it run out in June 23, then he'll become a free agent.
Imagine a club paying him £100K a week for 4 years, that means he'll have cost a mere £20 million in total, so offering him £100K is a bargain to that club.
It would make him a cheaper investment than what we paid for McBurnie or Brewster.

So if he continues his progression no doubt they'll be a queue of PL clubs lining up for him as a free agent, maybe he could expect £150K a week.

Imagine being a fly on the wall in the negotiation room.
Steve Bettis: We want to double your wages and offer you £30K a week with loads of performance related bonuses making it potentially 50K a week.
N"Diaye's agent: What is the team fail to be promoted this season?
Steve Bettis: Mmm well we won't be able to afford up to £50K, so we'll have a non promotion clause giving him £20K max with performance related clauses.
N'Diaye's agent: We've already had interest from several PL clubs already gauranteeing over £100K a week. My player is very ambitious and wants to play at a top PL club but we're aren't confident that Sheff Utd can match our ambitions. SU only stayed in the top flight for 2 seasons, then were relegated.
Steve Bettis: I've spoken to the Prince and he's already said he will be very ambitious with big signings if we return to the PL.
N'Diayes agent: OK, we'll wait until the Summer to see what direction the club is going and review the new contract in Sept/Oct next season.

Can anyone suggest what kind of contract could persuade N'Diaye to sign, when the longer he leaves it the more he's sitting on a goldmine.
However as Snowflake says, nothing is certain in life, a bad injury or a massive drop in form and his prospects of hitting the financial jackpot are virtually gone.
 
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Snowflake said:
Running down your contract is fine if you have already enough money, but the risk for younger players is getting badly injured and having nowhere to go when the contract ends.
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Excellent point and it does give us an extra bit of strength.
I think we can negotiate contract but it needs to be incredibly imaginative with plenty of clauses in the players favour.

Another point is that everyone assume IN will become a top performer. What is he loses form? He still keeps his wages.
So maybe the basic should be realistic but loads of performance related bonuses.
 
He’s not leaving us on a free and signing for someone on £100/150k p/w. No PL club will pay him that without him even having played regularly at this or a comparable level. His first PL contract will be £40/50k p/w at the very most. If he performs well, then he will be bumped up fairly quickly
 



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