COH - The worst ownership tenure in the history of the club?

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If our club was a listed company trading would have been suspended due to the catastrophic collapse. Maybe as businessmen they will learn and "fix fast".
 

I said a while back somewhere on this board, can't be arsed to find it, be careful what you wish for about these owners.
They are American business men. And their business is NOT football. They know next to nothing about how things work in this world. All they are looking for is a good return on their investments.
They are proving me right that they know nothing about football.
Their next move will be crucial to how our season now pans out.
 
djbaldken said:
I said a while back somewhere on this board, can't be arsed to find it, be careful what you wish for about these owners.
They are American business men. And their business is NOT football. They know next to nothing about how things work in this world. All they are looking for is a good return on their investments.
They are proving me right that they know nothing about football.
Their next move will be crucial to how our season now pans out.
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What they need is a expert who knows the club well, the players, the league, what promotion takes even without parachute payments, 1000+ games of experience so has seen it all and isn't contracted with another club.... Warnock is busy with Torquay and his stage shows so that leaves one guy
 
Rodley said:
I’ve never seen a period of SUFC Ownership where every single football decision they have got completely wrong. Who in gods name have they got advising them?!

From the protracted sacking Wilder to the ludicrous appointment of Selles (whomever made that wants binning off immediately), with no track record of success at this or any level. The ridiculous AI signings who will never trouble a first team at this level to realising they were going down the wrong route too late and spending money on a load of dross at the end of August (exception being Tanganga and one or two others). Throw in the frankly bizarre silence from the club in terms of communication.

It’s an abject mess from top to bottom. I really dread this next managerial appointment, probably another Selles type with 2-3 years of experience winning fuck all.

Has there ever been an implosion of a football club more skilfully managed? 😂

God help us. WTTWY.
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Anyone would think they’re Wednesday fans with the way they’ve handled the ownership of the club.

They literally couldn’t have made shitter job of it.
 
SwissBlade said:
Anyone would think they’re Wednesday fans with the way they’ve handled the ownership of the club.

They literally couldn’t have made shitter job of it.
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What about all the money they've spent ?
They've made mistakes ,honest mistakes
For me it wasn't sacking wilder or appointing selles it was their approach to.this transfer window which they realised was a mistake and rectified ?
They're not even close to being out worst owners and are light years ahead of chansiri
 
djbaldken said:
I said a while back somewhere on this board, can't be arsed to find it, be careful what you wish for about these owners.
They are American business men. And their business is NOT football. They know next to nothing about how things work in this world. All they are looking for is a good return on their investments.
They are proving me right that they know nothing about football.
Their next move will be crucial to how our season now pans out.
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Can I ask, across certainly the top 2 divisions, how many owner's businesses are "football" and what does that even mean? I mean, looking just at us through recent history, previous owners and board members had businesses that were nowt to do with football; do you just mean "they're not a born and bred Sheffield United fan"? And if that is what you mean, then that's fine, but there's noone out there so far as I know with the means to own us, who's happy to just write off hundreds of millions of pounds with no "return". I do however think, if they haven't already, that they need some football "expertise" advising them.
 
Frank the tank said:
What about all the money they've spent ?
They've made mistakes ,honest mistakes
For me it wasn't sacking wilder or appointing selles it was their approach to.this transfer window which they realised was a mistake and rectified ?
They're not even close to being out worst owners and are light years ahead of chansiri
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I wouldn't say that they rectified the transfer window, more like a knee jerk reaction apart from the purchase of Tango as was evident to see against Ipswich.
 

Lots of views on ‘advice’, don’t we have an experienced CEO, who happens to be a board director also? What role has he played in this fiasco and surely his position is untenable having overseen all this?
 
Rodley said:
I’ve never seen a period of SUFC Ownership where every single football decision they have got completely wrong. Who in gods name have they got advising them?!

From the protracted sacking Wilder to the ludicrous appointment of Selles (whomever made that wants binning off immediately), with no track record of success at this or any level. The ridiculous AI signings who will never trouble a first team at this level to realising they were going down the wrong route too late and spending money on a load of dross at the end of August (exception being Tanganga and one or two others). Throw in the frankly bizarre silence from the club in terms of communication.

It’s an abject mess from top to bottom. I really dread this next managerial appointment, probably another Selles type with 2-3 years of experience winning fuck all.

Has there ever been an implosion of a football club more skilfully managed? 😂

God help us. WTTWY.
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Did the Prince & McCabe all do similar things to what COH are currently doing?

The only thing id say they were better at was communication but that wound some fans up too.

We appointed David Weir with no experience or track record & McCabe fell out sacked Nigel Clough which fans at the time were annoyed about. We signed wrong-uns like Baxter, Marlon King & Ched Evans

The Prince made a load of data signings in the prem hence why we had to witness Laroucci, Slimane & Traore for a season.

They will make mistakes & sacking Wilder appears to be their biggest, but it’s how we react now.

They gave Wilder everything he wanted in January last year - we all applauded that at the time. Wilder couldn’t get us over the line despite that so they sacked him & went in a different direction. They’re not the first and only owners to do that
 
COH and what we know so far...

Cons:
  • It's abundantly clearl that they don't know the 1st thing about football.
  • They've surrounded themselves with advisors who are financially self-interested i.e. James Bord.
  • No communication. Not even from Bettis.

Pro's:
  • They aren't afraid to rectify a mistake e.g. charging transfer policy / Wilder's potential return.
  • They may be marginally richer than PA

For me going forward and director of football is needed to sit above the manager and be a legitimate footballing link between the manager and the board. Someone who's role as DOF is there only financial aspiration. Someone who is a genuinely experienced in the game. Someone without any fingers in any other pies.
 
I think the ownership of the club just prior to McCabe must rank as the worst.
The story goes that when Steve Bruce was manager, he came to the ground one morning to find Dean Saunders on his way out. Saunders told him he'd been sold and Bruce had no idea. Unfortunately such was the boardroom turmoil at the time, he didn't know who he should complain to.
 
Frank the tank said:
What about all the money they've spent ?
They've made mistakes ,honest mistakes
For me it wasn't sacking wilder or appointing selles it was their approach to.this transfer window which they realised was a mistake and rectified ?
They're not even close to being out worst owners and are light years ahead of chansiri
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Spending money isn’t always a positive.

I said from when they came in, but said it louder when Wilder was replaced with Selles “what’s the plan?”

Saying it again now that Selles has gone and we know who will be back… What’s the plan?

I know that there will be a succession plan in place, which most likely will be by default, but that doesn’t help us now beyond getting some points on the board and trying to rescue something from this season.

I think COH need to start taking a bit more responsibility and ownership of the situation that they’ve created entirely.

This lot have made decisions which I’ve heard others and you call honest mistakes but they’re not just millionaire fans, they’re serious investors with track records in business… so what’s the plan? The last one didn’t work well for them with their culture setter
 
SwissBlade said:
Spending money isn’t always a positive.

I said from when they came in, but said it louder when Wilder was replaced with Selles “what’s the plan?”

Saying it again now that Selles has gone and we know who will be back… What’s the plan?

I know that there will be a succession plan in place, which most likely will be by default, but that doesn’t help us now beyond getting some points on the board and trying to rescue something from this season.

I think COH need to start taking a bit more responsibility and ownership of the situation that they’ve created entirely.

This lot have made decisions which I’ve heard others and you call honest mistakes but they’re not just millionaire fans, they’re serious investors with track records in business… so what’s the plan? The last one didn’t work well for them with their culture setter
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The plan was a data based approach on recruitment and coaching buying players cheap and selling for profit

They tried that it didn't work would you rather they just plough on so it looks like they have a plan. ?
 
Selles is certainly not blameless
The players are certainly not blameless

But The imo largest mistake COH made wasn’t even sacking wilder. It was appointing Selles and being so slow to give him any tools to do the job, that all believe in him and his vision was gone.

Effectively his reign was over when the 3rd Bristol city goal went in. The players stopped buying in to anything he was selling and it went down hill from there.

The sliding doors moment was if we had started the season with the current squad would it have looked any different?

Probably not given he’s too stubborn to change anything and is essentially an over promoted PE teacher. But there’s a range of outcomes where we play well and win that match and things look significantly different and we are sat here looking like we’re moving forward.

This season now is about not getting relegated and that it genuinely outrageous given last season
 
One thing they didn't mess up was when they fired Wilder they blew a little smoke up his ass on his way out and didn't burn bridges
 
Frank the tank said:
The plan was a data based approach on recruitment and coaching buying players cheap and selling for profit

They tried that it didn't work would you rather they just plough on so it looks like they have a plan. ?
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It wasn’t a joined up plan. It wasn’t thought out. It didn’t work.

The problem with their planning and execution was relying on players that were unlikely to be good enough to suddenly become world beaters
 
Could be much worse,they could carry on with their big ideas and appoint
another tactical genius.
in which case we’d be joining the Owls in league one.
But If Wilders comes back I would actually give them some credit for owning their fuck up
and taking it on the chin.
Such is the shambles on the pitch, I don’t think even Dyche could turn this shitfest around in time to avoid a relegation fight.
 
SwissBlade said:
Spending money isn’t always a positive.

I said from when they came in, but said it louder when Wilder was replaced with Selles “what’s the plan?”

Saying it again now that Selles has gone and we know who will be back… What’s the plan?

I know that there will be a succession plan in place, which most likely will be by default, but that doesn’t help us now beyond getting some points on the board and trying to rescue something from this season.

I think COH need to start taking a bit more responsibility and ownership of the situation that they’ve created entirely.

This lot have made decisions which I’ve heard others and you call honest mistakes but they’re not just millionaire fans, they’re serious investors with track records in business… so what’s the plan? The last one didn’t work well for them with their culture setter
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The key point for me is that we know what we get from CW and I think we have a chance of getting top 6. But the Owners need to have a succession plan in a structured way. We need to improve operationally.
 
Rodley said:
The key point for me is that we know what we get from CW and I think we have a chance of getting top 6. But the Owners need to have a succession plan in a structured way. We need to improve operationally.
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Yeah the wilder fall back option has been utilised before, it’s a tried and tested method. But you’re absolutely right, operationally we need to work better…
 

Bladeinleeds said:
Selles is certainly not blameless
The players are certainly not blameless

But The imo largest mistake COH made wasn’t even sacking wilder. It was appointing Selles and being so slow to give him any tools to do the job, that all believe in him and his vision was gone.

Effectively his reign was over when the 3rd Bristol city goal went in. The players stopped buying in to anything he was selling and it went down hill from there.

The sliding doors moment was if we had started the season with the current squad would it have looked any different?

Probably not given he’s too stubborn to change anything and is essentially an over promoted PE teacher. But there’s a range of outcomes where we play well and win that match and things look significantly different and we are sat here looking like we’re moving forward.

This season now is about not getting relegated and that it genuinely outrageous given last season
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It's strange when Selles did pre season albeit against lower league rivals we won convincingly and the play looked exciting but as soon as we started the proper matches it all seemed to go out of the window
 
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