Clough's future - changes seem imminent

[Lightsoot]

I posted what I did because it’s a ‘Rumours’ forum and I thought some of you, who are mostly knowledgeable supporters, might be interested. This is what this board is for, right? Otherwise, every post would go on the General forum, fact or otherwise.

I wouldn’t class what I’ve posted as ‘confidential’ because the information isn’t based on ‘fact’. Me speculating on here will not have any bearing on the outcome. If I’m wrong I won’t lose any sleep, and if proven correct I won’t be back to laud it up either. I rarely post.

This has proven harder work than I intended it to be – justifying my source, ‘breaking confidence of a club insider’ and suggestions that I might be posting as someone else? Really?

Overall, this is an excellent forum but some of the regulars can be needlessly antagonistic. I’ll stick to reading the thoughts of Deadbat, Bergen et all and occasionally commenting on the General Board. Thanks to those who posters who may not have agreed with my approach, but were at least respectful in expressing their views.

 

[Ben_1982]

Derby remain a championship club, finished 8th compared to 14th when he was sacked. 1 1/2 years to climb 6 places, all that shows is changing manager has not really worked

They got in the play offs last season finishing 3rd. Spectacularly falling out of the top 6 on the final day when only needing a point. The point in raising is if Clough had still been their manager they would have been no where near on both occasions

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I'm undecided as to whether I want Clough to stay so you assume incorrectly that I want rid. There are solid arguments both ways.

I rarely post unless I feel I've got something to say. My source is very close to someone high at the club. Occasionally I get a snippet of info, like the Brayford deal when a few scoffed.

As for my original post, it is what it is, pure speculation. My source has led me to believe that Clough is on very thin ice and changes are imminent.
For what it's worth, given the vibes I'm getting, I think he'll get sacked and won't see out May. But we'll see. I appreciate those who argue the need for stability.

I posted my thoughts because I thought the assumption was that Nigel will keep his job. Like everything else, make of it what you will.

You recently began a post with the words "I think Nigel Clough should lose his job"

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.ph...-candidates-to-warrant-ditching-clough.39862/

It's pleasing to see you can the other side of the argument as well now.

 

[cooperblade]

I have a horrible feeling that we may be seeing a lot more of Darren Ferguson soon. Not ITK at all but several rumours and when pieced together seem to make sense.

Adkins I would guess is out of reach.

I think sacking Clough would be a bad decision.

I think appointing Darren Ferguson would be a spectacular disaster of a decision.

 

[Pedro Verde]

The point in raising is if Clough had still been their manager they would have been no where near on both occasions

How would you know that

 

[maxstertheblade]

Max, in post 762220 you asked "where has this come from" and in post 762260 you answered your own question....what's going off here then? Or are Max and Lightsoot one and the same.....?

Hi mate. I did some digging and the latter post Is what I was told. No decision has been made on Clough's future and will be made in 2/3 weeks. From someone who spoke to McCabe yesterday.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Forgive me but why do we need a public declaration at all?

Probably because JP stated publicly that there would be a review of front office and football management at the end of the season so there needs to be closure in order that the club can get on with business of building a team for promotion. Let's hope its sorted quickly.

 

[sitwell]

To be fair to Lightsoot ,he has only put on a rumour in the right place ,and this is what makes the forum more interesting ,as I recall he has been pretty accurate in the past too.

 

[cooperblade]

Hi mate. I did some digging and the latter post Is what I was told. No decision has been made on Clough's future and will be made in 2/3 weeks. From someone who spoke to McCabe yesterday.

That's far too late.

Teams who lose in the play-off final always say the delay in knowing what tier they're going to be in affects their transfer planning and puts them behind the rest. Sacking a manager 2 weeks after the play-off final (especially given we're not in it) would be madness.

 

[Pinchy]

That's far too late.

Teams who lose in the play-off final always say the delay in knowing what tier they're going to be in affects their transfer planning and puts them behind the rest. Sacking a manager 2 weeks after the play-off final (especially given we're not in it) would be madness.

He hasn't done any digging. He's a re-cycler of Twitter nonsense.

 

[Pinchy]

Probably because JP stated publicly that there would be a review of front office and football management at the end of the season so there needs to be closure in order that the club can get on with business of building a team for promotion. Let's hope its sorted quickly.

As there is at any club. 92 public declarations that the manager is still under contract and will get on with his job?

 

[Pinchy]

Pot.........kettle.......Pinchy

Hardly mate. I simply challenge the myopic knee-jerks of our SAD contributors. They seem to think their nonsense, however absurd, however contrived, improves by virtue of daily repetition.

 

[Torrix1889]

Hardly mate. I simply challenge the myopic knee-jerks of our SAD contributors. They seem to think their nonsense, however absurd, however contrived, improves by virtue of daily repetition.

Ergo you can't resist coming back with the same repetitive response! Not criticising Pinchers but the SAD brigade as you refer to them, post for a response and you give it.......ignore them and they will get bored and look for someone else to chase round the play-ground!

 

[Pinchy]

Ergo you can't resist coming back with the same repetitive response! Not criticising Pinchers but the SAD brigade as you refer to them, post for a response and you give it.......ignore them and they will get bored and look for someone else to chase round the play-ground!

Didn't Neville Chamberlain say something like that in 1938?

 

[Cyprus Blade]

As there is at any club. 92 public declarations that the manager is still under contract and will get on with his job?

I don't believe the equivalent of JP in those other clubs made a similar public statement to the one that JP did, or with similar timing ( trying to rally the troops for the final matches of the season). I am happy to hear differently. What I don't want is a summer of uncertainty and for us to start the season half-arsed. Doesn't have to be a big thing- just a report that NC has signed Centre Half for Sheffield United would do it because it means he has the budget.

 

[Bladesman]

He hasn't done any digging. He's a re-cycler of Twitter nonsense.

Twitter was not far wrong when it came to the Baxter situation.

It's hit or miss on there.

 

[mattbianco1]

I'm not sure what Wilson has got to do with the boring negative tripe, poor signings and bonkers team selections we have witnessed under Clough. But no, I wasn't.

My point relating to Danny Wilson was that it is usually the fans with negative opinions that are the most vocal. We wouldn't get 100s of people in the car park applauding a managerial appointment unless it was some ridiculous big name, hence the reason there are more threads slagging Nigel Clough off than praising him.

When put to the poll (where people can vote silently), many people who don't necessarily post comments on the forum but regularly read it will have voted. http://s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/clough-poll.39845/ Over 400 people have voted on there with 66% "Pro" and 34% "Against". As the votes are private, we can't see the usernames of those that have voted.

 

[robbiez666]

I don't understand why Darren Ferguson would be disastrous. He has a very good record of getting promoted. As long as it was a one year contract and someone else was brought in to keep us up!

 

[ScoobBlade]

I don't understand why Darren Ferguson would be disastrous. He has a very good record of getting promoted. As long as it was a one year contract and someone else was brought in to keep us up!

Long term planning at its finest there then !

 

[robbiez666]

Long term planning at its finest there then !

True, but we need to go up. end of. I see no great long term planning at the moment when we're allegedly long term planning. I'd rather spend money on 1 year contracts and loans to get us up then start planning. we're going to need new players after promotion, as it stands, anyway.

 

[Edinblade]

If Clough stays I'll be amazed if we make top two. His errors this season were not those of a capable team builder. Playing without centre halves was completely ridiculous. I've never seen anything like it anywhere. His failure to plan, build and motivate are unforgivable.

 

[ScoobBlade]

True, but we need to go up. end of. I see no great long term planning at the moment when we're allegedly long term planning. I'd rather spend money on 1 year contracts and loans to get us up then start planning. we're going to need new players after promotion, as it stands, anyway.

I know what your saying regarding the need to get promotion but to take such a short term approach would be utter madness

 

[mattbianco1]

True, but we need to go up. end of. I see no great long term planning at the moment when we're allegedly long term planning.

That is exactly what we're doing. By not going out and panic buying etc. Clough is building the foundations. He won't quit, he sticks at teams long term. He's long term planning. We're just 12months behind schedule.

 

[Going up]

That is exactly what we're doing. By not going out and panic buying etc. Clough is building the foundations. He won't quit, he sticks at teams long term. He's long term planning. We're just 12months behind schedule.

Yes, we are 12 months behind schedule, but I feel we have assembled a good squad with one obvious area of weakness.

If that area is correctly addressed, we could easily get a double promotion, then we would be back on track.

Personally, if we hold onto Murphy, a team with a more experienced Che, Done, Brayford, Basham and Coutts will only improve as they have more time together.

I hope we can get Steve Davies back as I see that he was a good, strong focal point at the front that brought many of the others into play.

 

[Davie Blade]

That is exactly what we're doing. By not going out and panic buying etc. Clough is building the foundations. He won't quit, he sticks at teams long term. He's long term planning. We're just 12months behind schedule.

As the Derby fans used to say
We are 5 years into the 10 year plan.

 

[cooperblade]

I don't understand why Darren Ferguson would be disastrous. He has a very good record of getting promoted. As long as it was a one year contract and someone else was brought in to keep us up!

My reasons for thinking he'd be a disaster.

Sacked twice by the same chairman at Peterborough.
Not exactly well known for tightening defences up.
Lost over 50% of games whilst PNE manager.
Peterborough, a team with not dissimilar expectations to ourselves last August, were 15th this season when they sacked him.
His style of football would require completely changing the squad rather than just making a few additions.

Plus, he's only had 1 promotion hasn't he and that was through the play-offs?

 

[sitwell]

As the Derby fans used to say
We are 5 years into the 10 year plan.

Have you got pictures of Roy MacFarland on your bedroom wall ?

 

[Hague Blade]

Going up A double promotion? Easily? Just by buying a couple of centre halves?

I am loving that optimism. It'd be bloody brilliant if you're right, and Clough is in fact the new Dave Bassett, but I've got be honest, I've got my doubts - I'd settle for getting out of Div III and then a few seasons to consolidate in the championship.

 

[YES Blade]

My reasons for thinking he'd be a disaster.

Sacked twice by the same chairman at Peterborough.
Not exactly well known for tightening defences up.
Lost over 50% of games whilst PNE manager.
Peterborough, a team with not dissimilar expectations to ourselves last August, were 15th this season when they sacked him.
His style of football would require completely changing the squad rather than just making a few additions.

Plus, he's only had 1 promotion hasn't he and that was through the play-offs?

He's had an automatic promotion from League Two and League One, a promotion via the play-offs from League One and also won the Johnstone's Paint Trophy.

I wouldn't be over the moon if we employed Ferguson, but to call him a disaster is ridiculous. I'd say it would be difficult to find many mangers with a lower league promotion record as good as Ferguson and compared to Clough his record is amazing!

 

[grafikhaus]

I think we have a better chance of getting promotion in 2016 under Clough

Based on what, Silent? Last season stank. Forget the cup games and the fact that we limped into the play-offs (and limped out without gaining even a draw), there were far too many Crewe/Yeovil/Fleetwood performances to give any optimism about the coming season.

We have a good squad that needs a few more signings this summer

Something I'm sure that just about every other club could say. 'A good squad'? Not really. We had the basis of a good squad at the end of the 2013/14 season but we lost Maguire and Coady and - belatedly - got Brayford back. NC spent too long obsessing over O'Grady while other teams had already got their core squad and just needed to fine-tune.

For some strange reason (probably a version of the Stockholm Syndrome) some think that we, the fans, are to blame for the revolving door of managers citing our 'impatience'. It's not. It's the board constantly choosing the wrong man, pure and simple. If there's any truth in this NC rumour, please let it be because Mark Warburton is out there and not another excuse to get a Danny Wilson-esque factotum* in as replacement.

* Other shit managers are out there.