Classless by club announcing selles less than 1hr after sacking a club legend

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Was it classless? No, I think the term "read the room" might have been a little more appropriate.

I would have preferred them to hold off the Selles appointment until today, and announce Selles in a press conference where journalists could have asked him some questions.

But what is done is done, he's our manager now and deserves backing from both the club and us as fans.

Press conference

Mr Silly, Danny Hall, Sheffield Star and renowned author, welcome to the club built by your predecessor with no input from anyone else, two questions, do you regret taking the food from the mouths of the fragrant Mr Wilders children and secondly, will you return my calls?

Snek, no he won’t. Next Question

Alan Biggseh, Sheffield Hospital Radio, inpatients secure ward division, Roccos Modern Life, Today Newspaper, The Hornet and Sparky

Snek, ffs

Mr Coldwell, may l call you Cec, Mr Coldwell? My sources tell me this is your third spell as caretaker manager

Snek NEXT! Ralph, you’re up

ROB ( pulls face) Staton Mr Selles, Radio Sheffield, X, Pork Talk, Big Hats are Us, there’s a feeling here at Radio Sheffield between myself, Andy and that other bloke that the footballing power in Sheffield has shifted back to the other side of Sheffield now you have had St Christopher sacked? Oh, Has Judas Bettis passed on my contact details yet?

Snek, next up, Jimmy…

Jimmy, What’s AI? Cost you £10 a month to reply, WEERS AFRICA LOL


Female voice from audience “has the PL found out the Sky money went to Switzerland not SUFC under that Arabs ownership?
 

If wilder went off on holiday after talks last Thursday and the club were tapping up Selles totally classless in my eyes also think got to show a bit of respect to a club legend at least wait a few dats maybe im just old school.

The decisions were made around two weeks ago and all parties concerned were informed at that time.
 
I dont like the way modern day sackings are handling no one bigger thsn club , wilder good manager but madeclors of mistakes. And i dont idolise wilder that much to think bigger thsn club
Much worse than the old days when managers were sometimes sacked on Christmas Eve??

"The 1972–73 season would prove to be Dooley's most successful in his short managerial career.[10] Wednesday led the Second Division for a period near the beginning of the season eventually finishing 10th. The highlight of the season was beating First Division Crystal Palace. The next season started badly. The team was badly hit by a virus that affected a total of 16 players between early September and November. The board was radically changed in early December when the chairman and vice-chairman both resigned. Despite a slight improvement in form the new board decided to sack Derek Dooley on 24 December 1973. The decision left him bitter about his treatment and it would be almost twenty years before he would set foot in Hillsborough Stadium again.[4]"


 
Much worse than the old days when managers were sometimes sacked on Christmas Eve??

"The 1972–73 season would prove to be Dooley's most successful in his short managerial career.[10] Wednesday led the Second Division for a period near the beginning of the season eventually finishing 10th. The highlight of the season was beating First Division Crystal Palace. The next season started badly. The team was badly hit by a virus that affected a total of 16 players between early September and November. The board was radically changed in early December when the chairman and vice-chairman both resigned. Despite a slight improvement in form the new board decided to sack Derek Dooley on 24 December 1973. The decision left him bitter about his treatment and it would be almost twenty years before he would set foot in Hillsborough Stadium again.[4]"


They did that purely to minimise press coverage. Whenever I run through my list of reasons to despise the Pigs I always cite that one.
 
I always remember when we used to sack a manager it could be a month before we replaced them Nigel Clough took quite some time to get over the threshold at least we have a replacement and as mentioned above the dirty work may have been done a couple of weeks ago American businessmen don’t mess about.
 
Too many Wilder haters on this forum and not enough Sheffield United fans, pathetic set of obsessed cry babies:



I’m a big fan of Wilder, check my previous posts. I’ve written several times that if I ever met him I’d buy him a drink and thank him for giving me my best time supporting the Blades in 50 years.

However I must be different to most people because

I can really like someone and give negative criticism.
Also incredibly I have the ability to really dislike someone but state a list of positives where they have been good.

I sit on the Kop with a few older very level headed Blades who can easily see both sides of the coin and can give a balanced reasoned opinion.

Last seasons 92 points was very impressive but I can only think of 3 or 4 games where we looked anything like a top 2 side and in many matches….we looked like a mid table side.

In Wilders 1st stint we were so well drilled, every player knew where to run and who to pass to without even looking. However last season was the opposite, we had players playing out of position and often looked like the players had just met each other. Most of our goals were moments of individual brilliance.

However Wilder was a leader who knew how to gslvsnize the fanbase. His pre and post match interviews were always worth a listen, totally opposite to Hecky, who was so boring and never revealed any detail.

Overall I would have given Chris until Nov/ Dec time then reviewed where we were.

However common sense says these owners have values and a criteria where Selles has a better CV/ is a better candidate than Wilder.

I hear people say Wilders CV/ record is much better than Selles, this isn’t fully correct, based on achievement and points then yes but look at these factors and compare.

1: If the club want to bring in many more foreign players, then Selles is far better, he’s multi lingual, worked abroad in several countries and vastly more experienced than CW working with foreigners.

2: If the club want a 1st team coach instead of a manager, again Selles is vastly more suitable than Wilder. Maybe the club want to bring SU into the 21st century and use the system most common through out the world where a director of football chooses the players and the coach just picks the team and works on tactics and preparation.

3: Our owners are top business men and understand the value of good and bad publicity affecting reputation. They see Selles as a much more mature safer pair of hands compared to an over emotional and passionate Chris Wilder. Even the terrible disciplinary record of the players leading to £500K fines is a really bad reflection on the manager.

4: Regards playing style Wilder has regularly said we deliberately don’t have one because we adapt to the opposition. Where as Selles has a set style of high pressing, that is currently the fashion in top level football. Also you can guarantee under Selles the players will be fitter and much better behaved.

These are just 4 factual reasons where Selles betters Wilder.
That’s my points it’s never black and white, it all depends what the owners are looking for regards a job spec.
 
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I’m a big fan of Wilder, check my previous posts. I’ve written several times that if I ever met him I’d buy him a drink and thank him for giving me my best time supporting the Blades in 50 years.

However I must be different to most people because

I can really like someone and give negative criticism.
Also incredibly I have the ability to really dislike someone but state a list of positives where they have been good.

I sit on the Kop with a few older very level headed Blades who can easily see both sides of the coin and can give a balanced reasoned opinion.

Last seasons 92 points was very impressive but I can only think of 3 or 4 games where we looked anything like a top 2 side and in many matches….we looked like a mid table side.

In Wilders 1st stint we were so well drilled, every player knew where to run and who to pass to without even looking. However last season was the opposite, we had players playing out of position and often looked like the players had just met each other. Most of our goals were moments of individual brilliance.

However Wilder was a leader who knew how to gslvsnize the fanbase. His pre and post match interviews were always worth a listen, totally opposite to Hecky, who was so boring and never revealed any detail.

Overall I would have given Chris until Nov/ Dec time then reviewed where we were.

However common sense says these owners have values and a criteria where Selles has a better CV/ is a better candidate than Wilder.

I hear people say Wilders CV/ record is much better than Selles, this isn’t fully correct, based on achievement and points then yes but look at these factors and compare.

1: If the club want to bring in many more foreign players, then Selles is far better, he’s multi lingual, worked abroad in several countries and vastly more experienced than CW working with foreigners.

2: If the club want a 1st team coach instead of a manager, again Selles is vastly more suitable than Wilder. Maybe the club want to bring SU into the 21st century and use the system most common through out the world where a director of football chooses the players and the coach just picks the team and works on tactics and preparation.

3: Our owners are top business men and understand the value of good and bad publicity affecting reputation. They see Selles as a much more mature safer pair of hands compared to an over emotional and passionate Chris Wilder. Even the terrible disciplinary record of the players leading to £500K fines is a really bad reflection on the manager.

4: Regards playing style Wilder has regularly said we deliberately don’t have one because we adapt to the opposition. Where as Selles has a set style of high pressing, that is currently the fashion in top level football. Also you can guarantee under Selles the players will be fitter and much better behaved.

These are just 4 factual reasons where Selles betters Wilder.
That’s my points it’s never black and white, it all depends what the owners are looking for regards a job spec.

Actually you aren’t that different from many posters on here when it comes to both praising, acknowledging his successes and criticising his mistakes. You just haven’t been called an unhinged hater yet, oddly enough by the most hysterical commentators on this subject.

The disgusting personal comments are limited to no more than a handful of people who are rightly criticised. For fairly obvious reasons. However a handful of equally deluded people have decided to deliberately misinterpret fact based criticism in order to try to validate their own utterly biased and often ridiculous posts. We aren’t talking about the tyre kicking that’s me done, started watching us in 1887 knee jerkers, but long term posters who are so entrenched in the cult of Wilder they have to hit out at the new owners, the old owners, the new manager, and fans of varying age because they are scared of a bigger picture.

Will the new dream work, who knows? But the certainty they claim it will be a disaster - even relegation - as opposed the their almost guaranteed belief we’d be promoted if Chris had stayed show most of them need to get a fucking grip and score some Copium off their Piggy mates.
 
Think classless sacking wilder and annoucing selles within an hour you dont do that to a club legend , even though we all knew from last Thursday really what was coning

The same Wilder that disappeared down the tunnel at Wembley in his last game without so much as a clap. Get over it.
 
I’m a big fan of Wilder, check my previous posts. I’ve written several times that if I ever met him I’d buy him a drink and thank him for giving me my best time supporting the Blades in 50 years.

However I must be different to most people because

I can really like someone and give negative criticism.
Also incredibly I have the ability to really dislike someone but state a list of positives where they have been good.

I sit on the Kop with a few older very level headed Blades who can easily see both sides of the coin and can give a balanced reasoned opinion.

Last seasons 92 points was very impressive but I can only think of 3 or 4 games where we looked anything like a top 2 side and in many matches….we looked like a mid table side.

In Wilders 1st stint we were so well drilled, every player knew where to run and who to pass to without even looking. However last season was the opposite, we had players playing out of position and often looked like the players had just met each other. Most of our goals were moments of individual brilliance.

However Wilder was a leader who knew how to gslvsnize the fanbase. His pre and post match interviews were always worth a listen, totally opposite to Hecky, who was so boring and never revealed any detail.

Overall I would have given Chris until Nov/ Dec time then reviewed where we were.

However common sense says these owners have values and a criteria where Selles has a better CV/ is a better candidate than Wilder.

I hear people say Wilders CV/ record is much better than Selles, this isn’t fully correct, based on achievement and points then yes but look at these factors and compare.

1: If the club want to bring in many more foreign players, then Selles is far better, he’s multi lingual, worked abroad in several countries and vastly more experienced than CW working with foreigners.

2: If the club want a 1st team coach instead of a manager, again Selles is vastly more suitable than Wilder. Maybe the club want to bring SU into the 21st century and use the system most common through out the world where a director of football chooses the players and the coach just picks the team and works on tactics and preparation.

3: Our owners are top business men and understand the value of good and bad publicity affecting reputation. They see Selles as a much more mature safer pair of hands compared to an over emotional and passionate Chris Wilder. Even the terrible disciplinary record of the players leading to £500K fines is a really bad reflection on the manager.

4: Regards playing style Wilder has regularly said we deliberately don’t have one because we adapt to the opposition. Where as Selles has a set style of high pressing, that is currently the fashion in top level football. Also you can guarantee under Selles the players will be fitter and much better behaved.

These are just 4 factual reasons where Selles betters Wilder.
That’s my points it’s never black and white, it all depends what the owners are looking for regards a job spec.

I think they're largely your opinions, not facts. You're entitled to them but let's not confuse the two:

You talk about "not looking like a top two side". A subjective view.The dispassionate, objective view on that is what the average points total is for automatic over a long list of data in that league. If we do that, that is what a top two side usually looks like (the average points total). The worst you could say about us is that we were the third best side that had a points total that's usually commensurate with automatic promotion. Most people on here didn't expect top two and had us as overachieving, so I'm not sure of the relevance anyway.

I think people also confuse attractiveness (subjective) and expansiveness with quality. The Norwich fans did that when we went up to the Prem under Wilder the first time. That worked out well for them...

I totally disagree with the second paragraph. If anything we were too rigid and too well drilled. The style of play was very well defined and easy to understand. The previous Wilder side took three or four years to peak. This one was partly put together in the back end of July and, in truth, only really was getting fleshed out in January with the loans. And we're comparing it with those teams? It should've been nowhere near automatic, especially after changing the style of play completely and getting to January without a squad. That's without thinking about two huge injuries that would rock any team. Getting a cohesive system, grinding out points at the rate it was is a big achievement in those circumstances imo.

1) I don't dispute those points. What I'd say is that they only matter if the manager is quality. Alex Ferguson can only speak English, but I wouldn't turn my nose up if his equivalent wanted the manager's job. Managers work with players they don't speak the same language as all the time. If Selles is a dud he could speak 30 languages and I'd rather have a good manager that only speaks English. If he's a class manager and he's multi lingual it will help him, sure.

2) Do they? They've had around six months (an age in football) and Selles' role is 'manager'. Wilder was also given a new contract despite being a known quantity operating in a way they were clearly happy with.

3) The media have been shocked and surprised that Wilder has left and almost unanimously see it as a stupid move from what I've seen.
The fine thing went too far, but it has its plusses. It shows the team doesn't get bullied. It needed a middle ground. Personally I don't think an owner would care that much, and certainly wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water over it. I think you're guessing and your 2+ 2 = 57. If we went up a manager would be sacked because the team got £500,000 in fines? Warnock wasn't sacked after the Battle of Bramall Lane...

4) We clearly did have a defined style of play so I don't know how to respond to this. We used this approach in 90+% of games.

Like I said, apart from a bit of 1) (Wilder does speak one language) they are opinions not facts. 4) is patently inaccurate. Thanks for the detailed post
 
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You are right op, there should have been a statue of a Peroni placed outside the lane before we dared appoint another manager, so we should.
 
If wilder went off on holiday after talks last Thursday and the club were tapping up Selles totally classless in my eyes also think got to show a bit of respect to a club legend at least wait a few dats maybe im just old school.
Wilder will have know before his holiday just the finical package needed sorting .Selles will have had to wait to be announced
 

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