Chrissy having a dig at United fans

[Fulwood Blade]

I said the same at 85. I really, really don't get it.

We sit in South Stand - just behind the prawn sandwich brigade - people round us have had the same habits for years whether its when they arrive, what they do at half time and when they go either before or actually after the final whistle goes.

Habits account for a lot of what goes on - it's just human nature. It's just the way some people are.

UTB

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Agreed. I thought it was understandable that he had decided to bring him on for Sharp, then those not to do this when Sharp arguably had his best spell for us, and then by the point he finally decided to take him off it had become a bit clearer where the half was going and he opted for McGoldrick. I like that Wilder isn’t afraid to change his mind in that respect. What I would say though is that it’s not the case that Mousset is only worth bringing on where there’s large gaps at the back to run into. Against Bournemouth for example it was a slight burst in a small amount of space at the edge of the box, coupled with quick thinking, that created the goal for Lundstram. I personally would have preferred Mousset in that situation, but the decision to change his mind is at the very least understandable and certainly not worth some of the nonsense I’ve read about it being a big mistake, or an indication we were “settling for a draw”.

The choice of strikers is the most difficult at the moment, as they all bring something positive but different, and none of them is up in the top Premier League category (yet?):
Sharp - most likely to score a poacher's goal
Mousset - best at running at pace behind the defenders
McBurnie - best at ploughing his way through a crowd of players/headers
McGoldrick - best at opening up defences with clever play/passes

The injury to Enda and the sharing of 90 mins between Berge and Lundstram left only one substitution available. On balance, I felt McGoldrick was the right choice against a packed defence, and he almost created a winner. But it is a tight call, and will always be open to debate.

 

[Bill puntin]

I think Chris is just being a blade straight after the match he will turn back to being blades manager today, just hope dosent dturn against fans like warnock did.

 

[BushBlade]

Agree up to a point. (McBurnie and Moose both got off to a slow start and are only recently getting up to speed)
I blame Wilder. Back in August fans, were happy to accept 17th place, and particularly pundits were happy to write us off as relegation favourites.
No doubt many expected us to win today. We play attacking football and we are great to watch from a tactical point of view. But Wilders success has raised expectations, wether he likes it or not. Fans disappointed with our game against a side we dominated at their place, is not so unusual.
I think it’s entirely reasonable to expect a win by at least two clear goals against a side with Brighton’s attitude.
The only result that pissed me off more was the Newcastle game. ( Probably aimed at the fat smug git Bruce, more than the team).
Teams who come to the Lane and park the bus will get a result against us unless we become more clinical in front of goal, creating and finishing better chances.
Not slagging you off Roy, just offering an alternative view.

‘I think it’s entirely reasonable to expect a win by at least two clear goals against a side with Brighton’s attitude.’

I don’t think football has ever really worked like that apart from when a top club is on a run, like Liverpool or Man City last season. It’s rarely as simple as ‘they’re below us so we should win’.

 

[BushBlade]

I think Chris is just being a blade straight after the match he will turn back to being blades manager today, just hope dosent dturn against fans like warnock did.

Did Warnock turn against the fans or was it the other way round?

 

[Bill puntin]

Did Warnock turn against the fans or was it the other way round?

Well in my opinion he never really liked the fan base, I'm going back to that video clip when fans were singing give us a wave and he turned to Blackwell and said they can fuck off they'll want me out when we lose.

 

[BushBlade]

Well in my opinion he never really liked the fan base, I'm going back to that video clip when fans were singing give us a wave and he turned to Blackwell and said they can fuck off they'll want me out when we lose.

He was right though. By the end of the 2004/5 season a decent proportion of Blades had had enough of him.

 

[RedandWhite]

I don't leave early ever. I always clap the team off. But if one day I choose to leave 15mins early I will. I can leave when I want. If the players want to come to my work and watch me put in my hardworking shift and clap me off please do. They probably have obtained more money than I will in a lifetime in the few years they have been with us. They are well payed for doing their job. But this doesn't mean everyone has to clap them off.

I think this game was different as to why people left earlier than usual, I think alot of our fans, me included were more annoyed we had drawn to the worst football team to visit us this season. This wasn't a hard fought draw in my eyes. They were time wasting from the 51st min, they didn't even look like they wanted to score and I think it just annoyed everyone. No fault to our players though but you can't help emotions.

 

[Stevo]

Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread, but we sometimes forget that Chris is a fan of the club, and was before he became our manager, any "dig" was probably from experience, he must have watched from the stands, as we all have , and witnesses some truly shocking performances over a sustained period, and when he feels, the team he manages playing the way he has coached, and it appears to have been ignored(maybe) by some he probably gets the hump, I have no problem with anything he says,at is is all said out of passion, live and togetherness for this great club.........here endeth the lesson

 

[BushBlade]

Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread, but we sometimes forget that Chris is a fan of the club, and was before he became our manager, any "dig" was probably from experience, he must have watched from the stands, as we all have , and witnesses some truly shocking performances over a sustained period, and when he feels, the team he manages playing the way he has coached, and it appears to have been ignored(maybe) by some he probably gets the hump, I have no problem with anything he says,at is is all said out of passion, live and togetherness for this great club.........here endeth the lesson

He’s also under a huge amount of pressure. He’s on the verge of doing something no United manager has ever done. I bet deep down he was gutted not getting three points but knew it wasn’t the right time to criticise the players so he’s tried to stick up for them and deflect a bit and it’s not come out how he wanted it to. Look at how much of a mard arse Klopp has been at times this season.
Do we want a manager who gives a shit or one that just talks about geese?
I’ve waited twenty five years for a manager like Wilder, he can have a moan if he wants, he’s got plenty of credit in the bank.

 

[Stevo]

He’s also under a huge amount of pressure. He’s on the verge of doing something no United manager has ever done. I bet deep down he was gutted not getting three points but knew it wasn’t the right time to criticise the players so he’s tried to stick up for them and deflect a bit and it’s not come out how he wanted it to. Look at how much of a mard arse Klopp has been at times this season.
Do we want a manager who gives a shit or one that just talks about geese?
I’ve waited twenty five years for a manager like Wilder, he can have a moan if he wants, he’s got plenty of credit in the bank.

He could berate me for 30 minutes straight then announce he was going to bend the wife over, I still wouldn't feel any anger towards him

 

[Bergen Blade]

Moose even warmed up, stripped off and was ready to come on at 60 mins only for Chris to change his mind and tell him to sit back down. Didsy then came on instead... Not sure what the thinking was.

Mousset was ready to come on, but we got a corner (a lot of managers don't like making substitutions before attacking corner kicks) so waited. We then dominated the next few minutes with stats showing almost 75% possession. Brighton were hanging on and struggling to clear. At that point Wilder and Knill probably decided we needed McGoldrick's know how and skill to open them up.

 

[Houston_Blade]

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Mousset was ready to come on, but we got a corner (a lot of managers don't like making substitutions before attacking corner kicks) so waited. We then dominated the next few minutes with stats showing almost 75% possession. Brighton were hanging on and struggling to clear. At that point Wilder and Knill probably decided we needed McGoldrick's know how and skill to open them up.

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I agree with Wilder on this, however I think in terms of 'impact' with 20 mins of the game left Mousset would have been a better option than a lacking in recent game time McGoldrick. Like I've said on other threads I don't know better than CWAK and they get more right than wrong but I think Mousset would have brought more to the table than McGoldrick on Saturday. That said, he could have set a goal up if McBurnie had his shooting boots on.

You don't need room in behind for pace to be effective, pace unsettles defenders and can be used in other positions and not just the through balls that some (not you) are assuming Mousset needs. Mousset is a livewire and he's unpredictable, opposition teams don't like this.

 

[Charlieblade]

‘I think it’s entirely reasonable to expect a win by at least two clear goals against a side with Brighton’s attitude.’

I don’t think football has ever really worked like that apart from when a top club is on a run, like Liverpool or Man City last season. It’s rarely as simple as ‘they’re below us so we should win’.

They came to defend and to pick up a point. Of course it’s easy for me to be critical after the event. I’m good at that.
My view is that Wilder has built and honed a decent defence at this level, but lacks a degree of flexibility from his strikers, who need to be rotated depending on the opposition.

 

[Bladesman]

Going back to the OP.

Wilder has more than enough credit in the bank to have a slight dig at the fans BUT I think it was miss-placed on Saturday. It seemed there were more staying to clap than in some of the previous home matches.

There was a few small group of fans that did get up and leave around 88 minutes but not as many as I thought by the time the final whistle went.

Like I mentioned earlier in this thread there have been the odd few people going to matches who have barely been sat in their seat at all.

 

[BushBlade]

I agree with Wilder on this, however I think in terms of 'impact' with 20 mins of the game left Mousset would have been a better option than a lacking in recent game time McGoldrick. Like I've said on other threads I don't know better than CWAK and they get more right than wrong but I think Mousset would have brought more to the table than McGoldrick on Saturday. That said, he could have set a goal up if McBurnie had his shooting boots on.

You don't need room in behind for pace to be effective, pace unsettles defenders and can be used in other positions and not just the through balls that some (not you) are assuming Mousset needs. Mousset is a livewire and he's unpredictable, opposition teams don't like this.

And if we’d brought Mousse on and still drawn people would be saying he should have brought Didsy on instead, because we needed someone with guile to open them up as they were sitting deep. Then someone would have said ‘we needed Duffy’....
On the other hand we could have played Mousse, he tries to take someone on, loses the ball and we concede on the counter.

 

[The Crab]

I just shrugged at the final whistle and stayed to applaud the players. Sometimes it doesn’t go for you, today was that day.

That's how I felt. Defensively fine except for their goal which happens. Created chances but we lack an extra bit of quality up top. Mcburnie always looks fucked but his work rate is winning me over but by god he needs to improve his finishing.

 

[BushBlade]

That's how I felt. Defensively fine except for their goal which happens. Created chances but we lack an extra bit of quality up top. Mcburnie always looks fucked but his work rate is winning me over but by god he needs to improve his finishing.

Up top is the hardest area to find value for money players. And that’s what we have to do with our budget. We’re not going to be in the running for Icardi, or Cavani, even if we could afford their wages, they still aren’t going to choose us over Man U or Arsenal, even if they finish below us in the table.

Of all the strikers brought in this season by clubs not in the big six, which ones do you think have been unequivocally successful? I can’t think of one, which shows how difficult it is to find one.

 

[Davalon]

We sit in South Stand - just behind the prawn sandwich brigade - people round us have had the same habits for years whether its when they arrive, what they do at half time and when they go either before or actually after the final whistle goes.

Habits account for a lot of what goes on - it's just human nature. It's just the way some people are.

UTB

The middle aged blokes around me have been going home and away for as long as I remember.

Without fail, whatever the match circumstances, they leave early to go to the pub every game.

Not something I get but they've always been the same.

I think Wilder's ire on Saturday was how many left early compared to normal, and he probably decided in his mind why that was.

 

[HackeyBlade]

Said before and will say again, if people want to buy a ticket and not even show up to the game they are well within their rights to do so. Just as they are within their rights to leave at whatever moment they want. Shut the fuck up and concentrate on the game. If it bothers you that much why not ask someone while they are leaving? None of you will because you don't have the bottle. The footballing equivalent of curtain twitchers

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Said before and will say again, if people want to buy a ticket and not even show up to the game they are well within their rights to do so. Just as they are within their rights to leave at whatever moment they want. Shut the fuck up and concentrate on the game. If it bothers you that much why not ask someone while they are leaving? None of you will because you don't have the bottle. The footballing equivalent of curtain twitchers

Are you saying our manager is the equivalent of a “curtain twitcher”?

 

[The Crab]

Up top is the hardest area to find value for money players. And that’s what we have to do with our budget. We’re not going to be in the running for Icardi, or Cavani, even if we could afford their wages, they still aren’t going to choose us over Man U or Arsenal, even if they finish below us in the table.

Of all the strikers brought in this season by clubs not in the big six, which ones do you think have been unequivocally successful? I can’t think of one, which shows how difficult it is to find one.

Your right of course, just frustrating when for want of the chances going the right way, well an incredible season would have been a few points better still.

 

[HackeyBlade]

Are you saying our manager is the equivalent of a “curtain twitcher”?

No, I'm saying the people on here playing the 'Biggest Blade Game' because they stay till the end are sad. They don't know anybody's circumstances or reasons for leaving.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

No, I'm saying the people on here playing the 'Biggest Blade Game' because they stay till the end are sad. They don't know anybody's circumstances or reasons for leaving.

Given that Wilder didn’t stop what he was doing in the game to go and ask people why they were leaving, should he not be allowed to say anything on the subject? Or should nobody ever speak of this subject?

 

[HackeyBlade]

Given that Wilder didn’t stop what he was doing in the game to go and ask people why they were leaving, should he not be allowed to say anything on the subject? Or should nobody ever speak of this subject?

Read what I'm saying carefully, my post was aimed at the people on this forum. Having said that I would have no problem explaining to Chris the reason why I left on any particular day, and also that as a paying customer I can leave whenever I want. If I miss a last minute winner what the fuck is it to anyone else? It's my fault for leaving early and I don't get why some people get offended by it

 

[bromtom]

End of the day, 7 points from from 9 in the Prem as we sit 4 points off definite Champions League qualification, and 1 point off potential Champions League qualification.

We've only lost to Man City and Liverpool in getting on for 3 months, we've only lost 7 all season, same as Leicester, one more than Man City, and fewer than Chelsea, Tottenham and Man United.

We've taken 4 points off Brighton, which is more than Tottenham did, the same as Chelsea did, and the maximum Wolves can having drawn their first game against them.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Read what I'm saying carefully, my post was aimed at the people on this forum. Having said that I would have no problem explaining to Chris the reason why I left on any particular day, and also that as a paying customer I can leave whenever I want. If I miss a last minute winner what the fuck is it to anyone else? It's my fault for leaving early and I don't get why some people get offended by it

I know what you’re saying, but my point is you either have to include Wilder amongst his fellow alleged “equivalent of curtain twitchers” or stop getting offended that they have an opinion on it. I would also argue that the degree of offence is way higher for those taking exception to “the curtain twitchers” having an opinion on it, than the level of anger on this displayed by “the twitchers”.

It’s not really the Leaving Early Brigade that I have an issue with, it’s more the ones that the minute we look like creating a goal halt their exit, or those that when we’d score a goal would be sprinting back to see what’s happened. The “totally legitimate reasons to leave early and I’d prefer it if you have no follow-up questions please” brigade suddenly forget you they are at that point. Either commit to going folks, or stay.

 

[shrubbery]

End of the day, 7 points from from 9 in the Prem as we sit 4 points off definite Champions League qualification, and 1 point off potential Champions League qualification.

We've only lost to Man City and Liverpool in getting on for 3 months, we've only lost 7 all season, same as Leicester, one more than Man City, and fewer than Chelsea, Tottenham and Man United.

We've taken 4 points off Brighton, which is more than Tottenham did, the same as Chelsea did, and the maximum Wolves can having drawn their first game against them.

I don't think that anybody is debating the fact that this season has been absolutely amazing. Doesn't mean that we can't question some of the individual decisions / performances though.

No team or individual is perfect and I think that Brighton exploited our main achilles heel in that we struggle to break down teams who park the bus. It has happened a number of times over the past couple of years (including the last time we played the pigs). It is a sign of respect really and I'm sure that over time we will develop more effective ways of dealing with it.

 

[HackeyBlade]

I know what you’re saying, but my point is you either have to include Wilder amongst his fellow alleged “equivalent of curtain twitchers” or stop getting offended that they have an opinion on it. I would also argue that the degree of offence is way higher for those taking exception to “the curtain twitchers” having an opinion on it, than the level of anger on this displayed by “the twitchers”.

It’s not really the Leaving Early Brigade that I have an issue with, it’s more the ones that the minute we look like creating a goal halt their exit, or those that when we’d score a goal would be sprinting back to see what’s happened. The “totally legitimate reasons to leave early and I’d prefer it if you have no follow-up questions please” brigade suddenly forget you they are at that point. Either commit to going folks, or stay.

In that case then yes I Include CW in that. To criticize people for leaving early without acknowledging that they probably felt massively disappointed/frustrated is unfair.

 

[HackeyBlade]

I left on 80th minute against Man Utd absolutely furious with that second half scoreline, IMO that is a perfectly valid reason to fuck off early.