Chrissy having a dig at United fans

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Roygbiv said:
Brighton will also look at our team and expect a win too. We don't have any marquee players either and every single side in the league will still expect to beat us at home.

It shouldn't be overlooked that we were the better side against a club with much more Premier League experience and resources than us. Disappointment in not winning is understandable, especially as we probably deserved to, but I don't believe we have any right to expect a win against Brighton.
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I just don‘t get it. By that logic, for every home game this season, except maybe Norwich and Villa, we should only expect a draw or a defeat? That seems a bit pessimistic. Maybe it’s semantics and what people mean by ”expect” - I didn’t see yesterday as a nailed-on home win, but on form this season and given the fact we beat them away, I thought it was a game we should be looking to win.
 

shrubbery said:
I can’t stand people who constantly turn up late for kickoff, fuck off 5 mins before half time for a pie, come back late and then leave early. What is the point in coming to the game if you’re going to miss 25% of it eating a pie finishing your pint and having a pie. If getting to your car early to avoid 10 mins of traffic is more important to you than watching the end of the game then I wish you would just stay at home. This is genuinely the main reason why I moved from the Kop to the Westfield Corner as the low pitch of the Kop meant that people moving around was constantly blocking my view and I chose a new seat on the far end of a row so that nobody can walk in front of me to get to their seat during play.

Staying behind to clap the players off is a completely different story though. Id say only about 25% of the crowd regularly do this and that’s fair enough for me. I don’t always do so and it depends on how I feel the performance was. Yesterday I was massively frustrated with our inability to find a way past Brighton’s bus through lack of creativity and pace up front, some appaling crossing and some abject finishing when the few chances came. I also found the Mousset non substation baffling and frustrating. The ref only playing 3 mins injury time when there had been 5 substitutions, 4 mins of feigning injury after the 80th min and constant time wasting from their keeper pushed me over edge (there should have genuinely been at least 6 mins) so I stormed off following the final whistle.
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Said to the bloke at the side of me on 88 minutes "why is everyone leaving, 1-1, chance to go 5th in the Prem and half of em are fucking off?"

That many were going they were queuing on the isle to get out.
 
Roygbiv said:
The hype about the Champions League from the media has quite clearly effected some fans. It was always going to happen. One of the things other fans have said about us is how we react to the increasing expectations. Well we have people leaving early because we aren't winning, we have people saying an established Premier League side are poor and we have fans genuinely disappointed that we lost ground on a European place.

In my opinion we haven't reacted too well as a fanbase in our first minor setback and maybe what Wilder said alongside the result is something that needed to happen. A wake up call to certain fans who seem to have quickly gone from dreaming of a European place to expecting one.
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But what a position to be in?
 
Hague Blade said:
I just don‘t get it. By that logic, for every home game this season, except maybe Norwich and Villa, we should only expect a draw or a defeat? That seems a bit pessimistic. Maybe it’s semantics and what people mean by ”expect” - I didn’t see yesterday as a nailed-on home win, but on form this season and given the fact we beat them away, I thought it was a game we should be looking to win.
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As you say it's all about what you mean by "expect". There isn't a single game this season I've gone into thinking "we are almost certainly going to win today" like I did last season when we played the likes of Reading or Ipswich so I'm never shocked when we don't win. I was disappointed yesterday based on the game itself but I don't think there is all that much between any of the sides outside of the top 2 this season and anybody can lose to anybody.

You haven't said this yourself but other posters have called Brighton a poor side. They aren't. They have certain players and attributes that better ours. We are in better form and are more consistent but Brighton have taken points from Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Everton. It certainly wouldn't have been their biggest scalp if they had beaten us yesterday.
 
I'm on the fence a little on this issue. On the one hand, the players and staff have done brilliantly over the last four years to get us where we are, and deserve any appreciation coming their way. They've also earned some leeway for when things don't go their way (unlike many I don't think a draw was an unfair result - we were nowhere near our best and four points is a fair haul from our last two games given the performances).

That said, the players are all very handsomely remunerated professionals, ones who have just come back from a company sponsored jolly to Dubai, no less. Their payment for doing their job is the fat stacks of cash they receive every month. They may feel they deserve praise and applause, and I would agree that they do, but they aren't entitled to it, and it feels a mite churlish to whinge when a disappointing result doesn't generate universal delight from the crowd. By the same token, it does seem very churlish indeed to flood out with 5 minutes left with the team knocking on the door of European competition.
 
With Derby playing Friday night , I was able to concentrate fully on the United vs Brighton game
Thought they played much better than against Bournemouth , and whilst having Brighton on the back-foot for much of the game , still lacked some real killer instinct and class up front ..imagine having Pierre Emerick Aubameyang of Arsenal up forward , even Pukki of Norwich , .....would have made a big difference .
Crowd were noisy , as Graham Potter mentioned twice in his BBC interview , they found Bramall Lane "hostile"
40 points , everything great , Chris has a licence to say whatever he wants ..he has earned that right . I do wonder about the new signings though , some already departed after failing to impress , McBurnie , Moussett , Freeman , Berge, Robinson , Morrison ..has any new player come in and been as good as those that did the business last season and again , this season ? ..Fleck , O'Connell , Stevens , Basham , Norwood and Henderson ? ..not at all , that is a concern.
Perhaps the unique SUFC style just takes time to adjust to , and in Berge's case , I think he will ..the others ..not sure
As for going home early , never understood it ..so much happens in the last 10 minutes of a game , neither do I understand not wearing a single item of your clubs colours on match day .. that is a comment for all English clubs ..the fans of German clubs leave us for dead in that department

Anyway , happy days , and personally I think some big news regarding Wednesday and a points deduction is not far away (sorry for the threadfuck)
 
Roygbiv said:
As you say it's all about what you mean by "expect". There isn't a single game this season I've gone into thinking "we are almost certainly going to win today" like I did last season when we played the likes of Reading or Ipswich so I'm never shocked when we don't win. I was disappointed yesterday based on the game itself but I don't think there is all that much between any of the sides outside of the top 2 this season and anybody can lose to anybody.

You haven't said this yourself but other posters have called Brighton a poor side. They aren't. They have certain players and attributes that better ours. We are in better form and are more consistent but Brighton have taken points from Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Everton. It certainly wouldn't have been their biggest scalp if they had beaten us yesterday.
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I'd agree about the standard being similar but the difference is attitude.

Very rarely win if your game plan is to kill the clock and use shithousing instead of forcing the game.

Nearly every home there's a case for the ref to book the away keeper taking his first goal kick. The script is:

Ignore where the ball is or the ball boy.
Take it to the opposite side.
Throw the ball towards the six yard line so you can walk over to it and reposition it.
Walk backwards and address the ball but then have a need to pull up a sock.
Then move some grass or debris.
Then wave a player to a new position.
Then finally kick it.

Just book the cunt ref, take control.
 
Guesty said:
I'm on the fence a little on this issue. On the one hand, the players and staff have done brilliantly over the last four years to get us where we are, and deserve any appreciation coming their way. They've also earned some leeway for when things don't go their way (unlike many I don't think a draw was an unfair result - we were nowhere near our best and four points is a fair haul from our last two games given the performances).

That said, the players are all very handsomely remunerated professionals, ones who have just come back from a company sponsored jolly to Dubai, no less. Their payment for doing their job is the fat stacks of cash they receive every month. They may feel they deserve praise and applause, and I would agree that they do, but they aren't entitled to it, and it feels a mite churlish to whinge when a disappointing result doesn't generate universal delight from the crowd. By the same token, it does seem very churlish indeed to flood out with 5 minutes left with the team knocking on the door of European competition.
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"flood out"? Hardly.
 
shrubbery said:
I can’t stand people who constantly turn up late for kickoff, fuck off 5 mins before half time for a pie, come back late and then leave early. What is the point in coming to the game if you’re going to miss 25% of it eating a pie finishing your pint and having a pie. If getting to your car early to avoid 10 mins of traffic is more important to you than watching the end of the game then I wish you would just stay at home. This is genuinely the main reason why I moved from the Kop to the Westfield Corner as the low pitch of the Kop meant that people moving around was constantly blocking my view and I chose a new seat on the far end of a row so that nobody can walk in front of me to get to their seat during play.

Staying behind to clap the players off is a completely different story though. Id say only about 25% of the crowd regularly do this and that’s fair enough for me. I don’t always do so and it depends on how I feel the performance was. Yesterday I was massively frustrated with our inability to find a way past Brighton’s bus through lack of creativity and pace up front, some appaling crossing and some abject finishing when the few chances came. I also found the Mousset non substation baffling and frustrating. The ref only playing 3 mins injury time when there had been 5 substitutions, 4 mins of feigning injury after the 80th min and constant time wasting from their keeper pushed me over edge (there should have genuinely been at least 6 mins) so I stormed off following the final whistle.
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Yeah getting too many of those around me. There was a guy near me who turned up 20 minutes late, clearly had a few drinks and then went off 5 minutes before half time. He never came back for the second half.

So he must have only watched about 20-25 minutes of the match unless he was watching it mostly on the TV inside.
 
DerbyDave said:
With Derby playing Friday night , I was able to concentrate fully on the United vs Brighton game
Thought they played much better than against Bournemouth , and whilst having Brighton on the back-foot for much of the game , still lacked some real killer instinct and class up front ..imagine having Pierre Emerick Aubameyang of Arsenal up forward , even Pukki of Norwich , .....would have made a big difference .
Crowd were noisy , as Graham Potter mentioned twice in his BBC interview , they found Bramall Lane "hostile"
40 points , everything great , Chris has a licence to say whatever he wants ..he has earned that right . I do wonder about the new signings though , some already departed after failing to impress , McBurnie , Moussett , Freeman , Berge, Robinson , Morrison ..has any new player come in and been as good as those that did the business last season and again , this season ? ..Fleck , O'Connell , Stevens , Basham , Norwood and Henderson ? ..not at all , that is a concern.
Perhaps the unique SUFC style just takes time to adjust to , and in Berge's case , I think he will ..the others ..not sure
As for going home early , never understood it ..so much happens in the last 10 minutes of a game , neither do I understand not wearing a single item of your clubs colours on match day .. that is a comment for all English clubs ..the fans of German clubs leave us for dead in that department

Anyway , happy days , and personally I think some big news regarding Wednesday and a points deduction is not far away (sorry for the threadfuck)
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McBurnie and Mousset have been huge for us this season. They may have only got us 9 goals but those goals are massive to where we are. Mousset also has 3 assists so I think it's fair to say he's been a success. Both him and McBurnie can only improve too with a proper pre season as both started the season on the bench due to lack of fitness and injures. Mousset still isn't up to scratch so it's a huge pre season for him.

Agree on the rest of the signings to a degree but Wilder said he was going to give the lads who got us up a chance in The Premier League and they've very much taken it. Osborn for instance simply hasn't had a chance due to how good Stevens had been. Freeman too has had no chance ousting Fleck. I think the signings in pre season were made very much with an eye on giving us a good chance of going straight back up should we get relegated. We've possibly progressed so quickly that we have left new signings behind. This happened in The Championship too with the likes of Stearman and Leonard.

Thought Derby were very unlucky on Friday. You seen to have come into form lately but possibly left it too late. Any news on your own EFL charge? My dream is you get away with it and Wednesday don't simply as they can't understand why what they've done is worse so will be absolutely fuming.
 
Wilder probably fancied us getting a winner in injury time - I did.

To only have 3 minutes of additional time when it should've been at least 5, and then to see large numbers of fans heading off early, presumably having decided we weren't going to get the injury-time winner would irk me as manager as well. Regardless of how well the players are paid, and how professional they should be in mindset, I think seeing large portions of the support disappearing when you're going for a late winner must have some psychological effect. Small margins can make big differences.

Regardless, no need to be offended when Wilder spouts his frustrations, especially when he has a point. I think he framed it as being annoyed at fans not sticking around to applaud, when he was probably questioning why people are heading off early when we're clearly going for the winner and could use the support 🤷‍♂️
 
I left at the full time whistle slightly disappointed but having seen a descent front foot performance,having clapped every good move and vocally supported my team.....
but “outstanding!” gi’or Chris.First half against Man U at the Lane,that was outstanding.
Pointless having a little dig at the fans post match.
 
Roygbiv said:
McBurnie and Mousset have been huge for us this season. They may have only got us 9 goals but those goals are massive to where we are. Mousset also has 3 assists so I think it's fair to say he's been a success. Both him and McBurnie can only improve too with a proper pre season as both started the season on the bench due to lack of fitness and injures. Mousset still isn't up to scratch so it's a huge pre season for him.

Agree on the rest of the signings to a degree but Wilder said he was going to give the lads who got us up a chance in The Premier League and they've very much taken it. Osborn for instance simply hasn't had a chance due to how good Stevens had been. Freeman too has had no chance ousting Fleck. I think the signings in pre season were made very much with an eye on giving us a good chance of going straight back up should we get relegated. We've possibly progressed so quickly that we have left new signings behind. This happened in The Championship too with the likes of Stearman and Leonard.

Thought Derby were very unlucky on Friday. You seen to have come into form lately but possibly left it too late. Any news on your own EFL charge? My dream is you get away with it and Wednesday don't simply as they can't understand why what they've done is worse so will be absolutely fuming.
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I think we’ve been excellent so far and we’ve progressed quicker than most people thought we would!!( me included!!). Moose and mcburnie need pre season and berge will be better for it also!!!.
as for the EFL charge against weds & derby, I’ve heard a rumour that both will escape punishment because of an EFL fuckup🙄. Apparently telling both clubs that they could do what they did regarding ground sales etc, but then changed their mind!!!😡😡⚔️⚔️⚔️
 
Frustration was the overwhelming reaction I had yesterday. We were too repetitive in our play & made ourselves easy to defend against. We needed Fleck & Berge to drive forward with the ball through the middle of the park. We had a plan A, which was to go wide, get numbers into the box, put in a cross. When it didn't work, our plan was to repeat until it did.

Players like Luke Freeman (don't think he was on the bench) & David McGoldrick maybe could have given Brighton some problems earlier in the game.

I wasn't at the ground yesterday, but I support Wilder's right to dig the fans out if he feels that they didn't get behind the lads or give them the appropriate level of credit for the performance levels. I think he'll revisit his comments in his next press conference.
 
Chris had a bee in his bonnet even before kick off. Gidds had a strange interview with him on RS... maybe recorded earlier in the week about some folk criticising our style of play as being direct and all about winning second balls. CW seems to think we aren't being given credit for the way we play. Not sure who has upset him but he continued it in his interviews after the game!
We played well. My only gripe is that I thought we should try passing it through them or running at them looking for free kicks on the edge of the box because continually lumping ball after ball towards the giants just wasn't working.
We really needed a change in approach last 15.
Nobody died. We didn't lose. 40 points. No need for all the anxt!
 

Roygbiv said:
As you say it's all about what you mean by "expect". There isn't a single game this season I've gone into thinking "we are almost certainly going to win today" like I did last season when we played the likes of Reading or Ipswich so I'm never shocked when we don't win. I was disappointed yesterday based on the game itself but I don't think there is all that much between any of the sides outside of the top 2 this season and anybody can lose to anybody.

You haven't said this yourself but other posters have called Brighton a poor side. They aren't. They have certain players and attributes that better ours. We are in better form and are more consistent but Brighton have taken points from Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Everton. It certainly wouldn't have been their biggest scalp if they had beaten us yesterday.
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The only thing I expect with United is to compete and have a chance at a result.

Every game I expect we'll give it a bloody good go and get at the opposition.

The one time we didn't do that this season is the one time I was genuinely annoyed, against Liverpool at Anfield. Didn't expect us to win or even draw, but we didn't compete.

Home or away, we've always got a chance picking up points against anyone and that's a great position to be in, rather that than cap doffing and parking the bus against "big teams" and then losing to the smaller ones anyway..
 
I hate using such a term but since we became good again our snowflake count has risen. Fancy leaving early and moaning after playing so well! I did it once, think it was 1989 home v port vale, we were drawing and my mate and I left on 90 mins, then heard a roar, deano had scored...never left early again.
 
essexblade73 said:
I hate using such a term but since we became good again our snowflake count has risen. Fancy leaving early and moaning after playing so well! I did it once, think it was 1989 home v port vale, we were drawing and my mate and I left on 90 mins, then heard a roar, deano had scored...never left early again.
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Entitled is more accurate, they can fuck off.
 
I don’t think Wilder’s having a dig I think it was a comment aimed to get some of our fans to appreciate the effort the lads had put in against a well drilled opponent and in difficult conditions with the wind .
Granted we were disappointed that we we didn’t get 3 points but we didn’t lose either , think we need to keep on feet on the floor a bit with regards all this talk of Champions League & Europe .
We’ve punched well above our weight this season & with this comes a raised expectations but let’s remember we are competing with a lot bigger squads & budgets so need to keep things in context .
11 games left and a lot of points still to play for .. let’s get right behind the lads and see where it takes us ?

UTB
 
Rants like Wilder's in his interviews yesterday belong on his Facebook status, not in local and national media.

You're better than that hun. Pm me if you want to vent.
 
With a win or a draw yesterday we effectively achieved safety, before the game I was expecting that if we looked like getting a result there would have been some sort of celebration, instead the game faded out and people drifted off like it was just another game. Perhaps that’s what pissed Wilder off.
If Gary Sinclair had made mention of the 40 points being achieved perhaps the crowd would gone into celebration mode. If we’d got to 40 points with two games to go we’d have been on the pitch then on the piss on London Road.
 
It did no harm to make people think a bit. He didn't want us at the beginning of the season to be Premier League tourists, happy to applaud plucky losers. Now that other teams are taking us seriously (if that Brighton game had been in August, they would have approached it totally differently), we are having to break down teams that defend in numbers. I think he wants the full crowd backing to help drag us over the line in games like that, rather than have a crowd thinking that as European competition candidates we should have no trouble beating teams lower down the league than us.
2 other things that might have got to him. We have got 7 points from the last 3 games, so we want to maintain confidence and momentum, rather than feeling a point yesterday was a failure. And his substitutions have been questioned, particularly with the seeming confusion over Mousset; but McGoldrick was within a whisker of creating the winner with the great bit of play on the left which created chaos in the goalmouth. If a goal had come from that, we would all be praising Wilder's genius...
 
Roygbiv said:
McBurnie and Mousset have been huge for us this season. They may have only got us 9 goals but those goals are massive to where we are. Mousset also has 3 assists so I think it's fair to say he's been a success. Both him and McBurnie can only improve too with a proper pre season as both started the season on the bench due to lack of fitness and injures. Mousset still isn't up to scratch so it's a huge pre season for him.

Agree on the rest of the signings to a degree but Wilder said he was going to give the lads who got us up a chance in The Premier League and they've very much taken it. Osborn for instance simply hasn't had a chance due to how good Stevens had been. Freeman too has had no chance ousting Fleck. I think the signings in pre season were made very much with an eye on giving us a good chance of going straight back up should we get relegated. We've possibly progressed so quickly that we have left new signings behind. This happened in The Championship too with the likes of Stearman and Leonard.

Thought Derby were very unlucky on Friday. You seen to have come into form lately but possibly left it too late. Any news on your own EFL charge? My dream is you get away with it and Wednesday don't simply as they can't understand why what they've done is worse so will be absolutely fuming.
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Cheers Roy , you have legendary status on here , so no arguments from me with your assessment 😉, but yes , you're right enough , those 9 goals from McBurnie and Mousset critical in the overall scheme of things ..still dont think McB looks a 20 million quid player ...but given the season Sheff Utd have had to date , not a big issue just now
No news on a penalty for DCFC ..but I'm not dismissing the possibility
 
Roygbiv said:
McBurnie and Mousset have been huge for us this season. They may have only got us 9 goals but those goals are massive to where we are. Mousset also has 3 assists so I think it's fair to say he's been a success. Both him and McBurnie can only improve too with a proper pre season as both started the season on the bench due to lack of fitness and injures. Mousset still isn't up to scratch so it's a huge pre season for him.

Agree on the rest of the signings to a degree but Wilder said he was going to give the lads who got us up a chance in The Premier League and they've very much taken it. Osborn for instance simply hasn't had a chance due to how good Stevens had been. Freeman too has had no chance ousting Fleck. I think the signings in pre season were made very much with an eye on giving us a good chance of going straight back up should we get relegated. We've possibly progressed so quickly that we have left new signings behind. This happened in The Championship too with the likes of Stearman and Leonard.

Thought Derby were very unlucky on Friday. You seen to have come into form lately but possibly left it too late. Any news on your own EFL charge? My dream is you get away with it and Wednesday don't simply as they can't understand why what they've done is worse so will be absolutely fuming.
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Agree up to a point. (McBurnie and Moose both got off to a slow start and are only recently getting up to speed)
I blame Wilder. Back in August fans, were happy to accept 17th place, and particularly pundits were happy to write us off as relegation favourites.
No doubt many expected us to win today. We play attacking football and we are great to watch from a tactical point of view. But Wilders success has raised expectations, wether he likes it or not. Fans disappointed with our game against a side we dominated at their place, is not so unusual.
I think it’s entirely reasonable to expect a win by at least two clear goals against a side with Brighton’s attitude.
The only result that pissed me off more was the Newcastle game. ( Probably aimed at the fat smug git Bruce, more than the team).
Teams who come to the Lane and park the bus will get a result against us unless we become more clinical in front of goal, creating and finishing better chances.
Not slagging you off Roy, just offering an alternative view.
 
Yellarbellyblade said:
I got the decision not to bring Mousset on. As others have said they were sat so deep his pace would have had little chance to be shown. Who knows if it would have made a difference or if he had come on the same people criticising him bringing McGoldrick on might have been saying “Didzy’s trickery might have found space and created something “ which actually he did for McBurnie’s chance.
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Agreed. I thought it was understandable that he had decided to bring him on for Sharp, then those not to do this when Sharp arguably had his best spell for us, and then by the point he finally decided to take him off it had become a bit clearer where the half was going and he opted for McGoldrick. I like that Wilder isn’t afraid to change his mind in that respect. What I would say though is that it’s not the case that Mousset is only worth bringing on where there’s large gaps at the back to run into. Against Bournemouth for example it was a slight burst in a small amount of space at the edge of the box, coupled with quick thinking, that created the goal for Lundstram. I personally would have preferred Mousset in that situation, but the decision to change his mind is at the very least understandable and certainly not worth some of the nonsense I’ve read about it being a big mistake, or an indication we were “settling for a draw”.
 
In our last 20 prem games we have lost to Liverpool man city twice and the only not top 2 club Newcastle to a weird VAR.
But we still see the negativity glooming through the sunshine
 

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