Chrissy having a dig at United fans

[leppingslaneblade]

I think a little perspective is needed. Most fans who leave their seats on the kop early are not leaving but moving towards the exits.at full time ,the exits are packed with supporters who have waited for the final whistle. This is because it is very difficult to exit the kop when there is a decent crowd there.

 

[Bladesman]

I think a little perspective is needed. Most fans who leave their seats on the kop early are not leaving but moving towards the exits.at full time ,the exits are packed with supporters who have waited for the final whistle. This is because it is very difficult to exit the kop when there is a decent crowd there.

It is not easy to leave any of the stands when the ground is full.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I don't think CW was talking about fans having a hissy fit as you call it, I suspect you are picking up on what one poster wrote in this thread. Just for your information is doesn't upset me that players are as you say pampered and overpaid it is what it is. What does offend me is that someone tells the fans how they should support the club to be seen as a bigger blade when he know nothing at all of their private lives, sacrifices to afford to watch their team or reason why they can't hang around for 5 minutes. As for the 4.40 stampede we didn't play 3, 4 or even 8mins extra time 50 yeas ago and then fuck about clapping a player parade people had busses to catch few had the luxury of jumping in a nice warm car with heated seat to roast their plums.

Wow if the players see and are upset by the sight of a few leaving early then they are not concentrating on the game and are bigger Snowflakes than even I imagined


The difference being the players are paid very well to do what they do supporters pay to watch them and it is their choice when to leave the ground. I don't ever leave before the end and also I don't get upset over people that do it is their choice they have their reasons but I don't worry about why they go early nor do I judge people when I know nothing of their lives, maybe more people should be more concerned about their lives and less about people they know nothing about. It fucks me off when people think they have a right to tell others how they should support their club and that includes Chris Wilder. Criticism of fans is a bit like jumping on a bobsleigh once it starts sliding down the hill you have very little in the way of brakes to stop it.

I'll try to explain a bit better why this matters to me and probably some others; no criticism of those who see things differently, just an explanation. Live entertainment (sport, music, theatre) is unique, as it depends on the interaction of performers and watchers. The crowd/audience are part of the event, and the greatest experience at a match is when crowd and team are together as one for 90+ minutes. For those minutes, nothing in the outside world matters, and we believe we can motivate players, influence referees, put off opposition players, etc. All an illusion, perhaps, but that is why watching a match at home on TV bears no comparison - it may be warm, dry, comfortable, drinks easy to get, etc., but the tv viewer is not part of the event. And the rest of life still intrudes easily - at a match, especially under floodlights, your whole focus is on the game. And the performers, no matter how rich they are, like all actors, singers comedians, feed off audience reaction. Canned laughter is no good to a comedian.
Especially recently, the connection between players, fans, club has been fundamental to our success, and I like the illusion that I/we are part of it. Actors, comedians, singers will all be disturbed by the audience leaving during a performance, and I imagine footballers are no different - they sense and respond to a crowd; and similarly, it is difficult for the crowd to come together if some are walking out when the match is still going on.
That is not to criticise those who have to leave, which I understand; or to criticise those who choose to leave, though I still don't get why they do it.

 

[essexblade73]

You mean YOU think they’ve got nothing to rush for? I leave around 85th to go for a fucking pint so I’m not queueing all bastard week. So if you or Wilder’s got a problem with it, I’ll Si thi at back of queue.

Fckin hell, beer more important than football, you are taking the piss, surely? Talk to Frank

 

[essexblade73]

I'll try to explain a bit better why this matters to me and probably some others; no criticism of those who see things differently, just an explanation. Live entertainment (sport, music, theatre) is unique, as it depends on the interaction of performers and watchers. The crowd/audience are part of the event, and the greatest experience at a match is when crowd and team are together as one for 90+ minutes. For those minutes, nothing in the outside world matters, and we believe we can motivate players, influence referees, put off opposition players, etc. All an illusion, perhaps, but that is why watching a match at home on TV bears no comparison - it may be warm, dry, comfortable, drinks easy to get, etc., but the tv viewer is not part of the event. And the rest of life still intrudes easily - at a match, especially under floodlights, your whole focus is on the game. And the performers, no matter how rich they are, like all actors, singers comedians, feed off audience reaction. Canned laughter is no good to a comedian.
Especially recently, the connection between players, fans, club has been fundamental to our success, and I like the illusion that I/we are part of it. Actors, comedians, singers will all be disturbed by the audience leaving during a performance, and I imagine footballers are no different - they sense and respond to a crowd; and similarly, it is difficult for the crowd to come together if some are walking out when the match is still going on.
That is not to criticise those who have to leave, which I understand; or to criticise those who choose to leave, though I still don't get why they do it.

But they need a pint and can't wait for it

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Fckin hell, beer more important than football, you are taking the piss, surely? Talk to Frank

I suspect Birley Blade has weighed it up and knows there's a chance he misses the euphoria of a last minute winner but decides he'd rather be first to the bar. More fool him but not ours or Chris Wilder's business. He's happy with his decision.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I suspect Birley Blade has weighed it up and knows there's a chance he misses the euphoria of a last minute winner but decides he'd rather be first to the bar. More fool him but not ours or Chris Wilder's business. He's happy with his decision.

It is Wilder's business if he feels greater and more vocal support can have a positive impact on performance. Whether his words were wise or can make the slightest difference is a separate issue.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Wonder what happens at the next home game??

Do the fans succumb to the emotional blackmail and stay for the player/supporter love in?

Do more fans than usual fuck off without clapping them off because they don't appreciate Wilder digging at them to the media?

Does Wilder fuck off down the tunnel without bothering?

I know he's got a good knack of knowing when a player needs a public kick up the arse but this is different and completely unnecessary.

 

[Booker4]

Although I've said my bit on fans leaving before clapping the players, I think its minor in comparison to how much fans on the Kop sing. I think we as fans can create a great atmosphere on the Kop, maybe sitting down doesn't help, but it shouldn't be just the back few rows that are relied upon to sing, unless we're playing well and/or winning when the whole Kop finds it's voice. I think if you're on the Kop you should be singing and being as vocal as the few rows at the back. For this reason alone I hope we can one day be in a standing Kop again because I think that would make a huge difference. Yes we can all stand as it is, but in realistically, its human nature to sit over standing.

This isn't a dig at our fans, its the same at every ground, but we can be the difference and we have a passionate fan base to do it and a Kop stand that is great to get everyone together on the one tier.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We love him when he has a little chip at the Grunters and when he speaks his mind but some quickly turn when the criticism is nearer home.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

We love him when he has a little chip at the Grunters and when he speaks his mind but some quickly turn when the criticism is nearer home.

There was no need for him to criticize his own fans at all. There's nothing to gain from it whatsoever.

 

[Sean Thornton]

There was no need for him to criticize his own fans at all. There's nothing to gain from it whatsoever.

Some of his own fans.

In the moment he thought there was. Hence him voicing his opinion. As we all do on here.

 

[bromtom]

There was no need for him to criticize his own fans at all. There's nothing to gain from it whatsoever.

Why be so offended by it though? What's to be gained by that? Who gives a toss? He's got a bit of a point. If you think it's a minor one and don't like it, great, no need to act like he's wiped his arse on your face.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Why be so offended by it though? What's go be gained by that? Who gives a toss? He's got a bit of a point. If you think it's a minor one and don't like it, great, no need to act like he's wiped his arse on your face.

I'm more put out by the "z" in criticise

 

[Birley Blade]

Why be so offended by it though? What's to be gained by that? Who gives a toss? He's got a bit of a point. If you think it's a minor one and don't like it, great, no need to act like he's wiped his arse on your face.

CW regularly refers to us as “paying punters”, and that’s exactly what we are, so if he wants to start criticising his own fans he needs to understand we’ve got no specific loyalties towards him (obviously we support the club but you get what I mean). We’re spending our hard earned money and one day out of the two we get off making the effort to travel home and away to watch the team. Without us they’ve got fuck all so why should he have the audacity to even chirp up. Bet he’s not complaining about that fucking wage packet and neither are the rest of the squad.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

I'm more put out by the "z" in criticise

Brain fart. I just couldn't decide.

 

[alcoblade]

There was no need for him to criticize his own fans at all. There's nothing to gain from it whatsoever.

I think pointing out that he'd prefer if fans stay to the end rather than desert the team in the last few minutes is perfectly acceptable. I will never get my head around why people (with the odd exception) do it.

And yes, each to their own, etc etc. It doesn't stop some of us being embarrassed by it, and Wilder clearly wishing it was otherwise.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Why be so offended by it though? What's to be gained by that? Who gives a toss? He's got a bit of a point. If you think it's a minor one and don't like it, great, no need to act like he's wiped his arse on your face.

I think he's created a divide for no reason. It's going to be like most things these days, people's thoughts on it will be polar opposites.
There'll be more fans sniping at each other and people thinking Wilder is a dick for saying it.
Why upset such a happy camp because you're in a mood after the match?

I'm not going to go on about it anymore.

 

[bromtom]

CW regularly refers to us as “paying punters”, and that’s exactly what we are, so if he wants to start criticising his own fans he needs to understand we’ve got no specific loyalties towards him (obviously we support the club but you get what I mean). We’re spending our hard earned money and one day out of the two we get off making the effort to travel home and away to watch the team. Without us they’ve got fuck all so why should he have the audacity to even chirp up. Bet he’s not complaining about that fucking wage packet and neither are the rest of the squad.

He's criticising the ones that leave early, which is about 10-20% of fans, and that's something that a lot of fans (who aren't on his wage packet) also do.

He's entitled to his opinion.

Frankly I find it ludicrous that people are so offended by it, fundamentally he's right, in an ideal world you should stay to the end, and getting angry at Wilder, best manager we've had since fuck knows when, and the team, again, best we've had since the 70s is something I can't wrap my head around.

Ignore him or take it on board, sowing seeds of unrest between Wilder and the players, and the fans though, why do people think they've any right to do that after one comment about people leaving early.

Some people just can't take criticism.

 

[bromtom]

I think he's created a divide for no reason. It's going to be like most things these days, people's thoughts on it will be polar opposites.
There'll be more fans sniping at each other and people thinking Wilder is a dick for saying it.
Why upset such a happy camp because you're in a mood after the match?

I'm not going to go on about it anymore.

I would say the people being so offended by an absolutely nothing comment about people leaving early, and spewing venom online about it for the last few days are the ones doing most of the dividing to be honest.

People should probably stay the full game, it's something a lot of fans say on here.

Is it a massive issue that needed commenting on? Not really, but he's within his rights to mention it and ask for people to stay.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I'm on the Westfield corner and he same bloke guaranteed week in week out turns up about 20 mins into the game absolutely sozzled. Sometimes he'll not even turn up for the second half, if he does he leaves with about 15 mins left.

Bizarre!

Always puzzles me why Duffy keeps coming back in that state.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Wonder what happens at the next home game??

Do the fans succumb to the emotional blackmail and stay for the player/supporter love in?

Do more fans than usual fuck off without clapping them off because they don't appreciate Wilder digging at them to the media?

Does Wilder fuck off down the tunnel without bothering?

I know he's got a good knack of knowing when a player needs a public kick up the arse but this is different and completely unnecessary.

Reckon it's well over now and nobody gives a fuck.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Fg

He's criticising the ones that leave early, which is about 10-20% of fans, and that's something that a lot of fans (who aren't on his wage packet) also do.

He's entitled to his opinion.

Frankly I find it ludicrous that people are so offended by it, fundamentally he's right, in an ideal world you should stay to the end, and getting angry at Wilder, best manager we've had since fuck knows when, and the team, again, best we've had since the 70s is something I can't wrap my head around.

Ignore him or take it on board, sowing seeds of unrest between Wilder and the players, and the fans though, why do people think they've any right to do that after one comment about people leaving early.

Some people just can't take criticism.

Just so I've got this straight... Opinions and criticism should be a one way street if it's Chris Wilder saying it?

Noted.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

I would say the people being so offended by an absolutely nothing comment about people leaving early, and spewing venom online about it for the last few days are the ones doing most of the dividing to be honest.

People should probably stay the full game, it's something a lot of fans say on here.

Is it a massive issue that needed commenting on? Not really, but he's within his rights to mention it and ask for people to stay.

The forum and this thread is the right place to discuss it. Rest assured I won't be letting it affect how I support the team. I'll be there til full time and probably stay to clap them off

 

[bromtom]

Fg


Just so I've got this straight... Opinions and criticism should be a one way street if it's Chris Wilder saying it?

Noted.

No, but until he comes out and says something worth getting offended by then I think just let him get on with it.

This is like when vapists get offended as though they're not the issue when someone tells them to take their cloud of raspberry smog and fuck off somewhere out of the way. Yeah it's not a war crime but it's worth saying something.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

No, but until he comes out and says something worth getting offended by then I think just let him get on with it.

This is like when vapists get offended as though they're not the issue when someone tells them to take their cloud of raspberry smog and fuck off somewhere out of the way. Yeah it's not a war crime but it's worth saying something.

Just got on my tits but luckily I didn't let on.

No bad vibes here

 

[metalblade]

I get where you're coming from Metal but I'm one of those that finds it annoying when people leave to not clap, I don't think that makes me a bigger Blade if I stay or I'm a snowflake, but I think it's a matter of opinion that I'm entitled to.

You're right that players are paid great sums to play and we as fans can only dream of, but that's am irrelevance in my book because its whether we want to clap them off when they come to clap us, or whether we chose to leave on the whistle or before the players get to our particular stand. When I was younger and we lost or played badly I'd walk out on the whistle in frustration, but now I'm a bit wiser - I like to think - I'll always clap the players if they've given their all and that's guaranteed under Wilder. I think its in our interests as fans that the players feel we really appreciate their efforts as much as possible, and personally l I think staying to clap is one of the ways we can do that.

Each to their own and I will respect your opinion but to be fair I don't see anyone who has a different opinion berating the people that want to stay after the whistle to clap the team. I would ask do the players really really feel no one appreciates their efforts and achievements over not only this season but the three previous seasons seeing as we now virtually sell out every home game and sell out every away game allocation, there are believe it or not fans out there who can't get tickets. I just think it a bit rich that some have to live their lives like social media where every fucker thinks they know best and anyone not conforming to their thinking are open to ridicule and abuse, why don't people look after their own lives and stop telling others how to live theirs?

 

[metalblade]

I'll try to explain a bit better why this matters to me and probably some others; no criticism of those who see things differently, just an explanation. Live entertainment (sport, music, theatre) is unique, as it depends on the interaction of performers and watchers. The crowd/audience are part of the event, and the greatest experience at a match is when crowd and team are together as one for 90+ minutes. For those minutes, nothing in the outside world matters, and we believe we can motivate players, influence referees, put off opposition players, etc. All an illusion, perhaps, but that is why watching a match at home on TV bears no comparison - it may be warm, dry, comfortable, drinks easy to get, etc., but the tv viewer is not part of the event. And the rest of life still intrudes easily - at a match, especially under floodlights, your whole focus is on the game. And the performers, no matter how rich they are, like all actors, singers comedians, feed off audience reaction. Canned laughter is no good to a comedian.
Especially recently, the connection between players, fans, club has been fundamental to our success, and I like the illusion that I/we are part of it. Actors, comedians, singers will all be disturbed by the audience leaving during a performance, and I imagine footballers are no different - they sense and respond to a crowd; and similarly, it is difficult for the crowd to come together if some are walking out when the match is still going on.
That is not to criticise those who have to leave, which I understand; or to criticise those who choose to leave, though I still don't get why they do it.

I respect your opinion but I still don't see where it gives you or Chris Wilder for that matter the right to tell people who you know nothing about how to live their lives. It might be all about club and fans coming together for you and I agree it is great to see how this has happened over the last few years but judging by the media that one sentence in a rant by Chris Wilder for reason known only to himself seems to have upset a lot of fans and is in fact doing damage to that fan/club relationship when there really is no need for it. I say do your job, look after your own lives and leave others to live theirs.

 

[BushBlade]

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No, but until he comes out and says something worth getting offended by then I think just let him get on with it.

This is like when vapists get offended as though they're not the issue when someone tells them to take their cloud of raspberry smog and fuck off somewhere out of the way. Yeah it's not a war crime but it's worth saying something.

Or like when people who don’t vape start crying over a bit of vapour.

 

[BushBlade]

Making a mountain out of a molehill here.