Outgoing? Chris Wilder

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

And if PA was to be believed we had chance to sign soucek, ahhh sheff utd the nearly beens, how many good players have we been close to signing and then for whatever reason didn't happen and we opted for a cheaper option lol.

And Wout Weghorst. I actually think he would have done very well in that 1st Premier League promotion team. He struggled at Burnley (but then again so did Mcburnie for us) and has a good goal return at most other clubs he played at.

 

[Pandev]

Did we ever really know they were deciding Wilders future ?

All i have seen is an article in Football insider that said it was happening. An article that was written by the same journalist that said Russell Martin had reached agreement to be the new Leicester manager. Russell Martin is the new Rangers manager !!

Very true for all we know his job is completely safe

 

[Danetheblade]

Did we ever really know they were deciding Wilders future ?

All i have seen is an article in Football insider that said it was happening. An article that was written by the same journalist that said Russell Martin had reached agreement to be the new Leicester manager. Russell Martin is the new Rangers manager !!

I think it’s just blind hope (for me anyway).

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

We were also eyeing up Ollie Watkins. I remember Villa was the team I really didn’t want going up because I knew they’d blow us out of the water for our targets. IIRC we gave up on Watkins and spent a long time after that chasing Maupay.

Ollie Watkins by all accounts was being shown round the stadium and happy with the future when a rep from Villa rang him and that was that,uptake in money,stadium,future,who wouldn’t.

 

[The Fox]

With the owners being across the pond I imagine they need people of trust in place to run the club .
Bettis seams a very trusted CEO to run the business.
It's entirely plausible that a DoF is put in place to run football operations.
I'm not sure that being 1st team head coach would sit comfortably with CW in that scenario.
I'd also imagine a DoF needs a 1st team coach that is totally on board with the structure .

It may simply be a case of changing roles and restructure where CW finds his current role is redundant or a new role offered doesn't suit either party .

Im speculating but it's a scenario that isn't implausible .

Imagine we'll all be clearer by 16th when the second transfer window opens as expect little in the 1st opening which ends on the 10th.

 

[adiosmiamigo]

Did we ever really know they were deciding Wilders future ?

All i have seen is an article in Football insider that said it was happening. An article that was written by the same journalist that said Russell Martin had reached agreement to be the new Leicester manager. Russell Martin is the new Rangers manager !!

It's looking very much like Sausage Rohl if a change is gonna come,IMHI.

 

[jimmymuir]

Not a massive fan of Carrick or anything, but his recruitment has been much better than Wilder's. In 23/24 he bought Azaz, Morgan Rogers and Latte Lath for about the same as we spent on Cannon.

Surely those signings are down to Kieran Scott (their head of football) or recruitment, rather than Carrick? Because if they aren't targeting players, then what's their job? I really don't get the fuss around Carrick, whenever I watched Boro last season, they played really slow, dull and ponderous football. There's absolutely no way I'd swap Wilder for him.

 

[Nick Jansky]

My main gripe with the prince he didn't employ a director of football because I wouldn't let chris loose with the transfer budget

This has held the club back through both previous ownerships. We have badly needed someone at the club on a day to day basis performing the sort of role that Derek Dooley did so well. We have a very good head of business operations in Bettis (which is the case no matter what others might think, their opinions are, unlike mine, wrong) but we also need a strong head of football operations and the manager needs to be answerable and accountable to them.

 

[Houso]

Surely those signings are down to Kieran Scott (their head of football) or recruitment, rather than Carrick? Because if they aren't targeting players, then what's their job? I really don't get the fuss around Carrick, whenever I watched Boro last season, they played really slow, dull and ponderous football. There's absolutely no way I'd swap Wilder for him.

True, but in the season they had Archer and Akpom up front, they were very dynamic. Not that I'd want Carrick, but I think last season was very much a case of players deciding how a club looks rather than the manager.

 

[MayorOJC]

Surely those signings are down to Kieran Scott (their head of football) or recruitment, rather than Carrick? Because if they aren't targeting players, then what's their job? I really don't get the fuss around Carrick, whenever I watched Boro last season, they played really slow, dull and ponderous football. There's absolutely no way I'd swap Wilder for him.

I don't know, very possibly. He obviously got them playing much better football when he replaced Wilder, but I haven't followed them closely over the last couple of seasons.

 

[54yrblade]

Wilder absolutely played himself on that one. Can’t blame Klopp for it, he was doing his best for his club & was lucky enough to come across a mug.

Great point well made! Correct

 

[Balham]

What happened with Robinson is he had some kind of clause for just over a million which we met

The Wigan owner came back asking for more because they were desperate and we refused

So he rang up.fulham and I formed them.of the situation and they bid more than the release and Robinson went there

We met the release clause but wanted to pay it in instalments (IIRC). Fulham met it in one. None of that matters, both clubs met the clause and therefore were entitled to speak to Robinson...who obviously chose the £50k per week on offer from Fulham over £20k from us.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I don't know, very possibly. He obviously got them playing much better football when he replaced Wilder, but I haven't followed them closely over the last couple of seasons.

The main question that Carrick is the answer to is “who is the latest Fergie old boy to be a failure at football management”. Van Nistelroy is another answer, but there are dozens of them. The reason for this is that whilst extraordinarily successful in its time, Fergie was a complete one off and that style of management, particularly with one person having so much control over so many aspects of a club, doesn’t transfer into the modern game, which has moved on.

 

[Blademan89]

That's not true
He went to benfica because they are ell ...benfica

Erm think you read/interpreted it wrong, I said we didn't want to pay that sort of money for a player from the Portuguese 2nd division, it's been documented that we was interestee in him until price tag was simialr to mcburnie, never said we was battling it out against benfica nor that he would choose us.

What happened with Robinson is he had some kind of clause for just over a million which we met

The Wigan owner came back asking for more because they were desperate and we refused

So he rang up.fulham and I formed them.of the situation and they bid more than the release and Robinson went there

Yeah I remember that, wigan was in serious trouble and asked if we could help them out, as you say we refused - bit of a dick move that probably cost us.

 

[Blademan89]

And Wout Weghorst. I actually think he would have done very well in that 1st Premier League promotion team. He struggled at Burnley (but then again so did Mcburnie for us) and has a good goal return at most other clubs he played at.

Wasn't aware we was in for him.

 

[jimmymuir]

True, but in the season they had Archer and Akpom up front, they were very dynamic. Not that I'd want Carrick, but I think last season was very much a case of players deciding how a club looks rather than the manager.

True, I think Boro fans got frustrated about their total lack of consistency. They'd be excellent one week, and then lose at home to a struggling team the next. Given their quality of squad, and some of their individual players, failing to make the play-offs in two successive seasons is an underachievement and I can see why they've given him the boot.

 

[Frank the tank]

We met the release clause but wanted to pay it in instalments (IIRC). Fulham met it in one. None of that matters, both clubs met the clause and therefore were entitled to speak to Robinson...who obviously chose the £50k per week on offer from Fulham over £20k from us.

Not according to the Wigan ceo at the time

 

[Balham]

Not according to the Wigan ceo at the time

If we met the release clause there is nothing Wigan could have done to stop Robinson signing for us.

 

[Blade56]

With the owners being across the pond I imagine they need people of trust in place to run the club .
Bettis seams a very trusted CEO to run the business.
It's entirely plausible that a DoF is put in place to run football operations.
I'm not sure that being 1st team head coach would sit comfortably with CW in that scenario.
I'd also imagine a DoF needs a 1st team coach that is totally on board with the structure .

It may simply be a case of changing roles and restructure where CW finds his current role is redundant or a new role offered doesn't suit either party .

Im speculating but it's a scenario that isn't implausible .

Imagine we'll all be clearer by 16th when the second transfer window opens as expect little in the 1st opening which ends on the 10th.

One things for sure, the new owners won’t just leave everything as it has been since PA left the club, something will change.

 

[Aston max]

With the owners being across the pond I imagine they need people of trust in place to run the club .
Bettis seams a very trusted CEO to run the business.
It's entirely plausible that a DoF is put in place to run football operations.
I'm not sure that being 1st team head coach would sit comfortably with CW in that scenario.
I'd also imagine a DoF needs a 1st team coach that is totally on board with the structure .

It may simply be a case of changing roles and restructure where CW finds his current role is redundant or a new role offered doesn't suit either party .

Im speculating but it's a scenario that isn't implausible .

Imagine we'll all be clearer by 16th when the second transfer window opens as expect little in the 1st opening which ends on the 10th.

Wilder's narcissism wouldn't allow a coach role under a dof , he's got control issues.
Team selection and substitution choices show that ! even we "so called idiot fans " saw some were wrong .

 

[Mouth of the South]

Wilder's narcissism wouldn't allow a coach role under a dof , he's got control issues.
Team selection and substitution choices show that ! even we "so called idiot fans " saw some were wrong .

It would depend on the remit of the role and the person proposed to do it. While I agree I don't think CW having a 'boss' other than Bettis would work, I could see a link between CW and the Board working - a Dooley or Bassett type of character.

 

[Nick Jansky]

It would depend on the remit of the role and the person proposed to do it. While I agree I don't think CW having a 'boss' other than Bettis would work, I could see a link between CW and the Board working - a Dooley or Bassett type of character.

The only sort of person who would “work” from Wilder’s point of view would be one he felt he could manipulate to get whatever he wanted. Whereas what is needed is one whose loyalty is to the club rather than Wilder.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

503 posts now and other than a clickbaity site no other journalists reporting it?

If there was to be a change you'd have thought it would be done by now. It's madness to me Middlesbrough just sacked Carrick when the season felt ages ago and pre season is only a few weeks away!

 

[Blade56]

503 posts now and other than a clickbaity site no other journalists reporting it?

If there was to be a change you'd have thought it would be done by now. It's madness to me Middlesbrough just sacked Carrick when the season felt ages ago and pre season is only a few weeks away!

We’re just joshin, warmin up, running flags up poles, avoiding the disallowed goal thread.

It’s therapy, romans had Christian’s and lions, Conservatives have Refirm, Labour have Liz Truss and Pigs have Chansiri

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Limbo time.....

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Wilders on holiday in Ingoldmells, he's off to karaoke in Summerlands, later after been on Fosters at 2 quid a throw in Sealands all aft.

Besides the manager and owners are in different timezones so nowt will get done till they're in sync

 

[Youngand70]

Surely that's why the manager has to have the final say unless the owners are happy having players who are being played out of position! Square pegs in round holes.

When will this club move forward and realise that the good old "Sheffield United Way" isn't the way of modern football?

19 out of 20 Premier League clubs and the majority of the Championship clubs had Directors of Football or Sporting Directors last season. Just like the majority of clubs around Europe. Football in the U.K. has been playing "catch up" for years and there are still many Blades who can't come to terms with it. In the modern structure at those numerous clubs the manager, (another out dated description), should be "coach", doesn't have the final say. Contribute yes final say no!!! The coach just like Wilder is an employee of club and should work within the structure in place in the club. That should be in the job description not oh "I'm a life long Blade so I can do as I like". If Wilder cannot accept what his employer, who pays his wages, may want then bye bye Bramall Lane, try a job in the lower echelons of Football where there are still clubs without DoF or SpDirs. and allow OUR club to move forward.

 

[Youngand70]

The only sort of person who would “work” from Wilder’s point of view would be one he felt he could manipulate to get whatever he wanted. Whereas what is needed is one whose loyalty is to the club rather than Wilder.

Couldn't agree more I feel that with the new owners being over the pond we have a situation with the Bettis- Wilder duo of "while the cats away the mice will play". Not only do we need a DOF/SpDir but someone on the board with serious knowledge and experience of English football and the "modern way" forward so "eyes don't have wool pulled over them!!!"

 

[Pollingtonblade]

When will this club move forward and realise that the good old "Sheffield United Way" isn't the way of modern football?

19 out of 20 Premier League clubs and the majority of the Championship clubs had Directors of Football or Sporting Directors last season. Just like the majority of clubs around Europe. Football in the U.K. has been playing "catch up" for years and there are still many Blades who can't come to terms with it. In the modern structure at those numerous clubs the manager, (another out dated description), should be "coach", doesn't have the final say. Contribute yes final say no!!! The coach just like Wilder is an employee of club and should work within the structure in place in the club. That should be in the job description not oh "I'm a life long Blade so I can do as I like". If Wilder cannot accept what his employer, who pays his wages, may want then bye bye Bramall Lane, try a job in the lower echelons of Football where there are still clubs without DoF or SpDirs. and allow OUR club to move forward.

Great post, I mean we are such a backward club, is there any other teams fans that pine for us to sign ex players as much as us? Especially shit injury prone ones,

The problem we have is that our fans prefer folk like Monty M Doyle Mcburnie etc cos they "try hard" and the gaffer likes "men" who can dahn ten pints and are culture carriers like one of the worst centre halves we've ever played.

A real football club would have a structure in place and a manager that doesn't get blavvered dancing on tables slagging off others to his mates.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

When will this club move forward and realise that the good old "Sheffield United Way" isn't the way of modern football?

19 out of 20 Premier League clubs and the majority of the Championship clubs had Directors of Football or Sporting Directors last season. Just like the majority of clubs around Europe. Football in the U.K. has been playing "catch up" for years and there are still many Blades who can't come to terms with it. In the modern structure at those numerous clubs the manager, (another out dated description), should be "coach", doesn't have the final say. Contribute yes final say no!!! The coach just like Wilder is an employee of club and should work within the structure in place in the club. That should be in the job description not oh "I'm a life long Blade so I can do as I like". If Wilder cannot accept what his employer, who pays his wages, may want then bye bye Bramall Lane, try a job in the lower echelons of Football where there are still clubs without DoF or SpDirs. and allow OUR club to move forward.

saw the other day someone commented we aren't a "pace side" and prefer target men and hoofing it up. No wonder we can't move on with comments like that...