Outgoing? Chris Wilder

[Blade58]

Richard Cadette =

Just checked. 6 years since his last post

Doesn’t time fly.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Totally and utterly shocked that this thread is only 15 pages, you do realise chris is way more important than dan burn etc.

Oh, are we back in for Dan Burn? WUEDP? Magic, I'll get that thread bumped

 

[Aston max]

Oh, are we back in for Dan Burn? WUEDP? Magic, I'll get that thread bumped

I dare you and watch for the abuse

Don't forget same morsey

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I dare you and watch for the abuse

Don't forget same morsey

Don't forget....

 

[MartBlade]

My recollection is that we didn't get Brewster till well after the season started ....
But even if that's wrong , its irrelevant anyway , coz it was obvious from his condition that if he ever recovered enough to play (which was in doubt at the time) he was never going to be quickly (if ever) back to the standards which put him on the cusp of an England call-up.
Blind stupidity by Wilder (and the owner) to run the transfer policy on a faint hope of JoC making a recovery either quickly enough or at all , before relegation was nailed on

I totally agree with the sentiment on replacing JOC but I personally think it was just one more thing in the list of reasons Wilder felt so let down. Having achieved our 9th place finish, we absolutely had to change the budgets and start to bring in some quality, experienced PL players. Everybody (including Wilder) knew that was necessary to kick on and establish ourselves. Instead we had to settle for continuing to offer lower wages than almost every other PL club. That led to recruitment of youngsters and journeymen…. and the inevitable decline. Can’t imagine anybody was more frustrated than Wilder.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I’ll get pelters for this, when Carrick first joined Boro I loved their style of play, they were organised, exciting to watch & quick on the break.

His record has been pretty patchy since so I’m sure we all have higher expectations than him but it’s a name to consider. I’d be interested to see what he could do with better players & budget like what we would give him.

I’m sure someone who knows more about football & Boro than I do will give me a million reasons why this is a backward step, but I’ve always liked watching his sides in games I’ve seen of them

 

[Sean Thornton]

Wilder absolutely played himself on that one. Can’t blame Klopp for it, he was doing his best for his club & was lucky enough to come across a mug.

So Nick, Chrissie, in our out?

 

[Nick Jansky]

So Nick, Chrissie, in our out?

You know me Sean, always on the fence

 

[Keen Blade]

I totally agree with the sentiment on replacing JOC but I personally think it was just one more thing in the list of reasons Wilder felt so let down. Having achieved our 9th place finish, we absolutely had to change the budgets and start to bring in some quality, experienced PL players. Everybody (including Wilder) knew that was necessary to kick on and establish ourselves. Instead we had to settle for continuing to offer lower wages than almost every other PL club. That led to recruitment of youngsters and journeymen…. and the inevitable decline. Can’t imagine anybody was more frustrated than Wilder.

Yep , I can't argue with that.

I recall we looked at some great players that summer.
I don't remember all of them but Antonee Robinson was a brilliant FB and we just couldn't or wouldn't pay his wages so I think he went to Fulham.

We didn't have an owner rich enough to provide the vital "pump-priming" £ to get us into the race.

Very sad - we went within a whisker of establishment in the PL , entirely down to CW's efforts ...

And then

1.Lost JoC.
2.Didn't sign the good players CW wanted in the middle of the window.
3.Didn't sign a JoC replacement.
4.Spent £23m on Brewster of whom CW said "he's not ready now - he's one for the future".

Brewster was the straw that broke the camel's back.

How utterly ridiculous of a club that didn't really have PL £ ,

and was desperate for the immediate injection of quality in all positions , just to stay in the PL

to blow £23m on a player who simply could not have contributed to the task in hand.

We may never again get that close to becoming a PL club.

And blew it.

And unfortunately CW was responsible for 2 of the 4 basic reasons mentioned above.

 

[The Crab]

Well on the first post .yes and your second one is well ..nonsense
Because they have mentioned using ai to scout players that means they are getting skynet to run the club does it. ?

Might get a pint quicker at half time…

 

[Blade58]

Not sure Carrick will be considered if the owners do decide on a change. Not much there to suggest he would do a better job than CW.

For me, it will be someone with promotion to the PL on their CV, or certainly with PL experience and currently available

Wasn’t there unfounded rumours posted on here at one time that the owners had been linked to Cooper whilst the takeover was going through?


Cooper?
Dyche?

 

[Blade56]

Not sure Carrick will be considered if the owners do decide on a change. Not much there to suggest he would do a better job than CW.

For me, it will be someone with promotion to the PL on their CV, or certainly with PL experience and currently available

Wasn’t there unfounded rumours posted on here at one time that the owners had been linked to Cooper whilst the takeover was going through?


Cooper?
Dyche?

Thought it was O'Neil they wanted

 

[Blade58]

Thought it was O'Neil they wanted

Ah right. Don’t recall that B56?

 

[Blademan89]

Yep , I can't argue with that.

I recall we looked at some great players that summer.
I don't remember all of them but Antonee Robinson was a brilliant FB and we just couldn't or wouldn't pay his wages so I think he went to Fulham.

We didn't have an owner rich enough to provide the vital "pump-priming" £ to get us into the race.

Very sad - we went within a whisker of establishment in the PL , entirely down to CW's efforts ...

And then

1.Lost JoC.
2.Didn't sign the good players CW wanted in the middle of the window.
3.Didn't sign a JoC replacement.
4.Spent £23m on Brewster of whom CW said "he's not ready now - he's one for the future".

Brewster was the straw that broke the camel's back.

How utterly ridiculous of a club that didn't really have PL £ ,

and was desperate for the immediate injection of quality in all positions , just to stay in the PL

to blow £23m on a player who simply could not have contributed to the task in hand.

We may never again get that close to becoming a PL club.

And blew it.

And unfortunately CW was responsible for 2 of the 4 basic reasons mentioned above.

Wasn't A. Robinson deal the season we went up not the season after? Available for £1M ish, then Fulham came in same time as us and rest is history, couldn't offer the 50k pw Fulham had on the table (would have been double the wages we was offering) plus they had the draw of being in London and already establishing themselves back in the PL.

It was Matty Cash the season after we had £10M offer turned down and then he went to villa for £14m

Either way its always going to end in disaster when your paying/ offering championship wages in the Premier league.

No wonder people dont want teams like us up there, who (under previous owners, so far) gone up took all money and not even made an attempt to compete and increase wages to bring better players in - after all its what parachute moneys for.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Not sure Carrick will be considered if the owners do decide on a change. Not much there to suggest he would do a better job than CW.

For me, it will be someone with promotion to the PL on their CV, or certainly with PL experience and currently available

Wasn’t there unfounded rumours posted on here at one time that the owners had been linked to Cooper whilst the takeover was going through?


Cooper?
Dyche?

Aye
Sounds a lot like that bloke @ Sheffield United

 

[LondonBlade89]

Wasn't A. Robinson deal the season we went up not the season after? Available for £1M ish, then Fulham came in same time as us and rest is history, couldn't offer the 50k pw Fulham had on the table (would have been double the wages we was offering) plus they had the draw of being in London and already establishing themselves back in the PL.

It was Matty Cash the season after we had £10M offer turned down and then he went to villa for £14m

Either way its always going to end in disaster when your paying/ offering championship wages in the Premier league.

No wonder people dont want teams like us up there, who (under previous owners, so far) gone up took all money and not even made an attempt to compete and increase wages to bring better players in - after all its what parachute moneys for.

We were also eyeing up Ollie Watkins. I remember Villa was the team I really didn’t want going up because I knew they’d blow us out of the water for our targets. IIRC we gave up on Watkins and spent a long time after that chasing Maupay.

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

We were also eyeing up Ollie Watkins. I remember Villa was the team I really didn’t want going up because I knew they’d blow us out of the water for our targets. IIRC we gave up on Watkins and spent a long time after that chasing Maupay.

And apparently Ivan Toney and Eze. But we went for Mcburnie and Freeman instead

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

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I can see our two owners.

 

[Pandev]

I’m guessing but I think Wilder is staying. Weren’t they deciding this week?

 

[Blademan89]

And apparently Ivan Toney and Eze. But we went for Mcburnie and Freeman instead

Don't forget nunez was also on that list but as they wanted similar money as mcburnie we decided against it, then he got his move to benfica

 

[Blademan89]

We were also eyeing up Ollie Watkins. I remember Villa was the team I really didn’t want going up because I knew they’d blow us out of the water for our targets. IIRC we gave up on Watkins and spent a long time after that chasing Maupay.

And if PA was to be believed we had chance to sign soucek, ahhh sheff utd the nearly beens, how many good players have we been close to signing and then for whatever reason didn't happen and we opted for a cheaper option lol.

 

[TJ blade]

And if PA was to be believed we had chance to sign soucek, ahhh sheff utd the nearly beens, how many good players have we been close to signing and then for whatever reason didn't happen and we opted for a cheaper option lol.

We've been fed bullshit! Most of the time

 

[Aston max]

And if PA was to be believed we had chance to sign soucek, ahhh sheff utd the nearly beens, how many good players have we been close to signing and then for whatever reason didn't happen and we opted for a cheaper option lol.

I hate to say this but I have to admit thanks to PA,s management of the club everything is now quite financially and structurally where it is , there aren't many clubs in our position, it does hurt that we've never followed through on a lot of really exciting signings but how many of us want to be like that basket case of a club across the city ??
My main gripe with the prince he didn't employ a director of football because I wouldn't let chris loose with the transfer budget

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

I’ll get pelters for this, when Carrick first joined Boro I loved their style of play, they were organised, exciting to watch & quick on the break.

His record has been pretty patchy since so I’m sure we all have higher expectations than him but it’s a name to consider. I’d be interested to see what he could do with better players & budget like what we would give him.

I’m sure someone who knows more about football & Boro than I do will give me a million reasons why this is a backward step, but I’ve always liked watching his sides in games I’ve seen of them

Posted this elsewhere but take a look. Carrick and Wilder very much cut from the same cloth, with the same weaknesses around recruitment https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/s...dlesbroughs-review-led-michael-carricks-exit/

 

[Railway Blade]

I’m guessing but I think Wilder is staying. Weren’t they deciding this week?

Did we ever really know they were deciding Wilders future ?

All i have seen is an article in Football insider that said it was happening. An article that was written by the same journalist that said Russell Martin had reached agreement to be the new Leicester manager. Russell Martin is the new Rangers manager !!

 

[Blade58]

Aye
Sounds a lot like that bloke @ Sheffield United

True

I’m of the belief though that if CW goes (and I’m not advocating it) that it won’t be due to his CV, more due to not fitting the way the Americans wish to portray company image. Wilders not filled himself in glory this season. Mardy arse. Lack of humility and failing to control his players (cost the club half a million last season) is not a good look and I just think yanks tend to be big on corporate image

Could be complete bollocks, especially after they’ve given him a long contract.

 

[finlaytheblade]

This is what American sports teams do. The general manager (aka Director of Football), deals with contracts, recruitment, retaining and releasing players. The coaches job is to find a system that suits what they have and plays to the players strengths. If the DoF was to bring in two pacey wingers then the coach would be expected to change whatever system they favoured to incorporate them. The coaches that don't are the ones who get sacked. This works really well in the NHL.

I'll maintain that this is why Sir Alex Ferguson was so successful at Man Utd. He wouldn't put Paul Scholes on the left wing and ask him to run at players like Ryan Giggs. If players got injured he would bring in a replacement and change the tactics/formation to suit them and play to their strengths, he wouldn't ask them to change the way they played to suit the formation and tactics. This is why he won his final Premier League title with arguably one of his weakest teams. The only time I can recall him not doing this was against Bayern Munich in the European Final where he put square pegs in round holes. But his late subs saw everyone back in their natural positions and the rest is history.

Surely that's why the manager has to have the final say unless the owners are happy having players who are being played out of position! Square pegs in round holes.

 

[Frank the tank]

Wasn't A. Robinson deal the season we went up not the season after? Available for £1M ish, then Fulham came in same time as us and rest is history, couldn't offer the 50k pw Fulham had on the table (would have been double the wages we was offering) plus they had the draw of being in London and already establishing themselves back in the PL.

It was Matty Cash the season after we had £10M offer turned down and then he went to villa for £14m

Either way its always going to end in disaster when your paying/ offering championship wages in the Premier league.

No wonder people dont want teams like us up there, who (under previous owners, so far) gone up took all money and not even made an attempt to compete and increase wages to bring better players in - after all its what parachute moneys for.

What happened with Robinson is he had some kind of clause for just over a million which we met

The Wigan owner came back asking for more because they were desperate and we refused

So he rang up.fulham and I formed them.of the situation and they bid more than the release and Robinson went there

 

[Frank the tank]

Don't forget nunez was also on that list but as they wanted similar money as mcburnie we decided against it, then he got his move to benfica

That's not true
He went to benfica because they are ell ...benfica

 

[MayorOJC]

Posted this elsewhere but take a look. Carrick and Wilder very much cut from the same cloth, with the same weaknesses around recruitment https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/s...dlesbroughs-review-led-michael-carricks-exit/

Not a massive fan of Carrick or anything, but his recruitment has been much better than Wilder's. In 23/24 he bought Azaz, Morgan Rogers and Latte Lath for about the same as we spent on Cannon.