CONFIRMED Chris Wilder leaves by "Mutual Consent"

[Barmyblade]

Yes he relied on loan signings more heavily than in truth he should have, but, was that his fault?

How many loan signings started at `Wembley? I think just one, `Hamza, a central midfielder filling in (admirably) at right back when we also had two other loanee right backs - well as Seriki. If anything the loan signings just confused Wilder as he had too many choices. In the final stages, he played `Brewster, BBD, Brooks, Rak-Saki, O’Hare etc all as right forwards.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Nope, not necessarily. It can work but doesn't have a good track record in football. Brighton have used it very successfully [in general] but the most reliable model seems to be Scouting/Stats/AI. Anyway, it's done now and we have to move on under the new owners. So far they've signed two sub-standard players, although I've no idea about the brand new player.

Aye
Albeit currently (?) sun- stardard
When did Peck & Ndiaye indeed every ‘unknown’ move out of that (pejorative ) ‘category’?

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I didn't say any players coming through. I picked Billy and Blaster. I'm getting at people would be as happy buying Bulgarians and putting them in our 21s then having lads from Sheffield come through. They will have opinions on changing everything else, the entire fabric of the club, I'm just saying I can't believe why.

Bit of an overreaction in my opinion.

Some of the academy players are Sheffield lads but quite a number aren’t. Look at some going back Brooks (D), Tonge, Jags, Peck all from elsewhere without even thinking about it. If they’re the best we can produce and strengthen our first team I personally couldn’t give a flying fuck if they’re from Sheffield or Outer Mongolia.

 

[robbiez666]

I didn't say any players coming through. I picked Billy and Blaster. I'm getting at people would be as happy buying Bulgarians and putting them in our 21s then having lads from Sheffield come through. They will have opinions on changing everything else, the entire fabric of the club, I'm just saying I can't believe why.

Brooks, Peck, Lankshear, Tonge, Monty, Ndiaye, Ramsdale, Quinn, Morris - all blocked lads from Sheffield coming through.

 

[Danetheblade]

How many loan signings started at `Wembley? I think just one, `Hamza, a central midfielder filling in (admirably) at right back when we also had two other loanee right backs - well as Seriki. If anything the loan signings just confused Wilder as he had too many choices. In the final stages, he played `Brewster, BBD, Brooks, Rak-Saki, O’Hare etc all as right forwards.

I think that highlights how poor the loan signings were. BBD were a disaster, though I’ll shout it till the cows come home, he were played in a position he’s never played before. Clarke seemed okay, then broke. JRS were okay.. when he could be arsed.

 

[Menage a petit pois]

How many loan signings started at `Wembley? I think just one, `Hamza, a central midfielder filling in (admirably) at right back when we also had two other loanee right backs - well as Seriki. If anything the loan signings just confused Wilder as he had too many choices. In the final stages, he played `Brewster, BBD, Brooks, Rak-Saki, O’Hare etc all as right forwards.

Like I said ...he made mistakes....show me someone who doesn't....I'll wait.

In all seriousness, I still think on balance he deserved another crack....and this is from someone who was unhappy with the way he left first time round and was less than impressed by his return.

Continuity counts in football as in life....unless its banging your head against a brick wall in which case that's just plain daft.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Post me my hysterical comments.

Admit I’m not a big fan, he’s failed, he’s negative, he embarrasses the club off the pitch, he’s past his best for the club but they are opinions. I also admire what he’s done for the club but that’s fizzled out year after year imo (assuming opinion is not classed as hysterical).

Wilder deserves recognition for his “past” achievements but he’s become one of his own square pegs in a round hole for the owners ergo the club.

Is this one of yours?


“Take me a while to care too much about football now I think”

 

[FTPE]

Brooks, Peck, Lankshear, Tonge, Monty, Ndiaye, Ramsdale, Quinn, Morris - all blocked lads from Sheffield coming through.

...right?

 

[unitedbhoy]

People saying we shouldn't have sacked Wilder because of what he did in 2019 is making my head want to explode.

He is and probably will remain for some time the most successful manager in my time supporting United. He also made lots of mistakes in the end of his first spell and he has repeated many of those during his current spell. We did well last season but in key areas, in big games and against the best sides we lost. We were tactically lost at times and January recruitment which was quite significant made us worse.

I can easily see why people are unhappy he wasn't given another season, but how they cannot see the reasons the new owners want their own direction is also ridiculous. I hate how binary the internet has made things.

Cheers Chris for the good times. Now let's try to move to another level. Up the Blades.

Stop talking sense!

 

[Blade56]

Is this one of yours?


“Take me a while to care too much about football now I think”

No try again

 

[Sean Thornton]

No try again

Whoosh!

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Sacking CW is harsh but we are no longer run by provincial people and in all modernisation processes there are casualties. Might be a poor decision, might be a good one. We shall see. CW 2016-2020 is however and will remain a legend regardless of today. UTB.

 

[Gimli]

Brooks, Peck, Lankshear, Tonge, Monty, Ndiaye, Ramsdale, Quinn, Morris - all blocked lads from Sheffield coming through.

It’s not blocking lads from Sheffield coming through, there is a level you have to be at in order to play League 1/Championship/Premier League football, if the ‘lads from Sheffield’ showed potential to be able to do that then they’d be developed, loaned out and eventually blooded in the first team - like Blaster…

 

[robbiez666]

It’s not blocking lads from Sheffield coming through, there is a level you have to be at in order to play League 1/Championship/Premier League football, if the ‘lads from Sheffield’ showed potential to be able to do that then they’d be developed, loaned out and eventually blooded in the first team - like Blaster…

I was responding to FTPE's post which said that signing young foreign players blocked the path for Sheffield lads. Making the point that most of our academy successes are not Sheffield lads.

 

[Davalon]

If you think it's bad on here get on Facey.

The old boys are out in force saying it's like Green and McDonald again, saying it's suicide, we'll have multiple managers next season, the board don't respect that Wilder has given us our club back blah blah blah

I honestly think they'd give him a job for life.

 

[S64 Blade]

Is it official yet? Still not seen anything from the club.

 

[Balham]

I thought I was on my own for a moment.
I get everyone is different, and I understand that people want success (or at least when they think is best for their team) but we're never going to be Man City. We're never going to be Brighton or Brentford either which people think is an attainable target. I just want something to be proud of, something unique to us and Sheffield people. The more characters and reflection of its supporters the better for me. But, I'm a dinosaur.

It sounds like you’d be happy to finish 16th in the Championship if the team shows passion and the manager is a supporter. That’s fine, but it’s not for me.

 

[Lupa The Noa]

Aye
Albeit currently (?) sun- stardard
When did Peck & Ndiaye indeed every ‘unknown’ move out of that (pejorative ) ‘category’?

Well Peck and Ndiaye were scouted and not put into a machine to work out. I'm sure AI has a place in the future, but only alongside stats and scouting. Chris has an excellent record in spotting talent, although he's perhaps got a bit of a blindspot when it comes to forwards [McBurnie, Cannon, Brewster etc]. We'll see what happens: I'm disappointed but still trying to feel positive about the future. All the best

 

[VonBrysonsExpress]

Well Peck and Ndiaye were scouted and not put into a machine to work out. I'm sure AI has a place in the future, but only alongside stats and scouting. Chris has an excellent record in spotting talent, although he's perhaps got a bit of a blindspot when it comes to forwards [McBurnie, Cannon, Brewster etc]. We'll see what happens: I'm disappointed but still trying to feel positive about the future. All the best

Genuine question but what makes you think wilder had any input into signing young, under 21 talent? He was looking to send Brookes out on loan until injuries forced him to select him for the first team. He barely noticed ndiayre and can hardly be credited with developing him, think that claim belongs to hecky.

 

[54yrblade]

If you think it's bad on here get on Facey.

The old boys are out in force saying it's like Green and McDonald again, saying it's suicide, we'll have multiple managers next season, the board don't respect that Wilder has given us our club back blah blah blah

I honestly think they'd give him a job for life.

It cult like. Needy, desperate and narcissistic.

 

[Nick Jansky]

It cult like. Needy, desperate and narcissistic.

Easily ignored, just a bunch of empty vessels grunting away to each other.

 

[Harrisblade]

Brooks, Peck, Lankshear, Tonge, Monty, Ndiaye, Ramsdale, Quinn, Morris - all blocked lads from Sheffield coming through.

Even Yorkshire Cricket Club gave up that concept!
Do you think that relying on Sheffield lads over others is really the way forward????

 

[robbiez666]

Even Yorkshire Cricket Club gave up that concept!
Do you think that relying on Sheffield lads over others is really the way forward????

Sigh, I was responding to a post which said that signing foreign youngsters was wrong because it stopped Sheffield lads getting a chance. I was pointing out that many of our youngsters who come through are not Sheffield lads.

 

[Bladesman]

Alan's lost it...

 

[Blades1971]

He made mistakes. But who has got a comparable record in either United or that other shower in S6?
He is and always be
"ONEOF OUR OWN"
LETS HOPE THE BIG TIME CHARLIES IN S6 GO BUST

 

[Lupa The Noa]

Genuine question but what makes you think wilder had any input into signing young, under 21 talent? He was looking to send Brookes out on loan until injuries forced him to select him for the first team. He barely noticed ndiayre and can hardly be credited with developing him, think that claim belongs to hecky.

I'm not sure I said that Wilder had anything to do with under 21 talent. Him and his team have clearly uncovered some gems but I have no idea in which cases he was directly involved. What I've said is putting a player's stats into AI, without using general stats and scouting, is of higher risk. I think generally he's had mixed results with the younger players- some like Arblaster and Peck seemed to have been nurtured pretty well, and some like Ndiaye have perhaps waited too long for their chance. All the best

 

[Broomhall Blade]

The badges blu tac-ed to the top of my monitor have been there ages so I don’t really notice them. I just clocked them and one is making me sad

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Yep I miss wards too.

 

[1889]

Mmmm "doing the dirty on folk isn't easily forgotten", I take it that is similar to the "doing the dirty" on Paul Heckingbottom, courtesy of the wonderful Prince Abdullah and Chris Wilder, which some of us haven't forgotten!!! Two words come mind "stab" and "back".

To be fair Hecky had done the same to Slav

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Alan's lost it...

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That genuinely made me laugh.
I wonder if old Alan prefers the Dark ones.

 

[VonBrysonsExpress]

I'm not sure I said that Wilder had anything to do with under 21 talent. Him and his team have clearly uncovered some gems but I have no idea in which cases he was directly involved. What I've said is putting a player's stats into AI, without using general stats and scouting, is of higher risk. I think generally he's had mixed results with the younger players- some like Arblaster and Peck seemed to have been nurtured pretty well, and some like Ndiaye have perhaps waited too long for their chance. All the best

Fair enough, I may have mixed your comments about AI with the later comment re wilder spotting talent. My own view is there's room for both, data can be used to narrow the search or open up greater areas for consideration, but the human element is required to make the final decision and then bring the talent on where possible.

I agree wilder (and/or his team) identified some great players but there was a system to fit them into. Wilder mkII doesn't seem to have a defined system which makes bringing players in more hit/miss. This is why I broadly agree with a change in tack by the board.