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Chris Morgan was unreal for us but think we can all be honest and say this was purely down to application and attitude. (Which are integral) but coaching was certainly not for him. Not sure being an agent will be right either.
 
mancunianblade said:
Chris Morgan was unreal for us but think we can all be honest and say this was purely down to application and attitude. (Which are integral) but coaching was certainly not for him. Not sure being an agent will be right either.
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Think that’s really unfair.

Morgan was an old school no nonsense defender. Agree he wasn’t a technically good footballer but was an excellent defender/ stopper and great leader and captain.

Also technical ability has no influence on coaching ability. Mourinho and Wenger were crap players.
 
He can't become a football agent, people from Barnsley are thick in 'eead but thick in aaarms tha knows!

Can't really imagine him being a football agent but good luck to him anyway.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Morgan was an old school no nonsense defender. Agree he wasn’t a technically good footballer but was an excellent defender/ stopper and great leader and captain.

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Not sure why you think what I said was unfair when you said exactly the same but worded differently? As for the comment I made about coaching not being for him I think that is self evident I mean what has he achieved as a coach? By the time he turned 40 he had given up on the whole thing and this is a man who doesn’t give up?
 
I don’t really get all this agent bollocks, the only reason Football agents exist is due to the huge wages involved. Young footballers don’t need any more or less everyday guidance than their non footballer peers of the same age.
Obviously they require some sound financial advice and some common sense guidance around contract time etc.
However, I don’t see why they need a full time leech creaming off a percentage of their salary each month.
If I had an agent, I’d prefer them to have a legal or accountancy background, but not an ex footballer :rolleyes:
 
1889 said:
I don’t really get all this agent bollocks, the only reason Football agents exist is due to the huge wages involved. Young footballers don’t need any more or less everyday guidance than their non footballer peers of the same age.
Obviously they require some sound financial advice and some common sense guidance around contract time etc.
However, I don’t see why they need a full time leech creaming off a percentage of their salary each month.
If I had an agent, I’d prefer them to have a legal or accountancy background, but not an ex footballer :rolleyes:
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Can't see why the PFA can't draft up a standard footballers contract that all clubs MUST use.

Only thing that changes on each contract is the weekly salary and the length of contract.

Then the agents can all fuck off to somewhere nasty.
 
Whether Morgs was 'industrial' or not, and whether he's cut out tactically to coach, I still believe it would be a crying shame for someone like him to be lost to the game altogether.

What his most suitable role would be I honestly don't know, but I've heard quite a few people in the game say someone like him should be involved. He's undoubtedly a respected figure in the game outside the top level.
 
I watched a game when we were last in the PL with a top German centre half. At the end he turned to me and said, best player on the pitch was Morgan. To be honest, I thought he was just ok. But that player had played at the very top and I accepted what he said, though I never saw it myself.
 

Sheffsteel said:
Think that’s really unfair.

Morgan was an old school no nonsense defender. Agree he wasn’t a technically good footballer but was an excellent defender/ stopper and great leader and captain.

Also technical ability has no influence on coaching ability. Mourinho and Wenger were crap players.
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I agree with everything you say about him as a player and Captain but the hardest job in life is being able to manage people. No two people are the same and no one person is the same all the time. You have to be able to change like a chameleon and adapt your approach to ever changing situations and circumstances. You have to be able to take a diverse group of individuals with different life experiences and different motivations and somehow mould them into one unit going in the same direction. It’s very tough and not even possible sometimes.

I think he’s a fantastic bloke and I hope he’s a big successs at whatever it is he does. But he’s moving into a world now where he will need to be very socially adept and have good business acumen.

These aren’t qualities I’d noticed in him before but that doesn’t mean he can’t do it. I hope he does.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Can't see why the PFA can't draft up a standard footballers contract that all clubs MUST use.

Only thing that changes on each contract is the weekly salary and the length of contract.

Then the agents can all fuck off to somewhere nasty.
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Of course they can, but the only thing that matters IS the weekly salary and length of contract.

Clubs have brought agents upon themselves by trying to have players trousers down at every possible opportunity.
 
1889 said:
I don’t really get all this agent bollocks, the only reason Football agents exist is due to the huge wages involved. Young footballers don’t need any more or less everyday guidance than their non footballer peers of the same age.
Obviously they require some sound financial advice and some common sense guidance around contract time etc.
However, I don’t see why they need a full time leech creaming off a percentage of their salary each month.
If I had an agent, I’d prefer them to have a legal or accountancy background, but not an ex footballer :rolleyes:
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Come on 1889, this is naive in the extreme. How good do you think a young player is at negotiating his own contract with a clubs Chief Exec? What negotiating skills do you think the average 17 year old posses when trying to hammer out a contract? The clubs would have them for breakfast.

So you'd prefer a legal or accountancy background but not an ex footballer? Have you read the article, do you mean someone like Dave Lockwood, Morgan's agent with his background in banking?

Morgan said his role would be in player management and recruitment, not exactly an agent or player intermediary as they are now called. Having said that are you suggesting Morgan who has possible had up to 20 contracts in his career knows nothing about them and would have nothing to offer a young inexperienced player?

I think you should have stopped at "I don't get all this agent bollocks" as clearly you don't.
 
If you seriously believe that a 17 year old scholar would be discussing a contract with the clubs Chief Executive then I think it’s you that needs to research the subject!

Besides which, unless this fictional 17 year old wonderkid was a friend less orphan, just when would such a ridiculous scenario ever take place?
 
1889 said:
If you seriously believe that a 17 year old scholar would be discussing a contract with the clubs Chief Executive then I think it’s you that needs to research the subject!

Besides which, unless this fictional 17 year old wonderkid was a friend less orphan, just when would such a ridiculous scenario ever take place?
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John Barnes was a Barnardos product.
 
EddieColquhoun said:
???
John Barnes the well-known footballer moved to UK with his family. His dad died in 2009 and his mum was still alive last year.
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Always thought JB was an orphan and had come out of the Barnardo system, must be wrong.

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From Wiki:

John Fashanu was born in Kensington, London, the son of Pearl Gopal, a nurse from British Guyana and Patrick Fashanu, a Nigerian barrister living in the UK. When his parents split up he was sent, together with his older brother Justin to a Barnardo's home. When he was five, he and his brother were fostered by Alf and Betty Jackson and were brought up in Shropham near Attleborough, Norfolk.
 
1889 said:
If you seriously believe that a 17 year old scholar would be discussing a contract with the clubs Chief Executive then I think it’s you that needs to research the subject!

Besides which, unless this fictional 17 year old wonderkid was a friend less orphan, just when would such a ridiculous scenario ever take place?
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And that is not Brooks dad on the right........

And I presume by the 'friendless ophan' comment you are suggesting a player has his Mum or Dad or dads best mate to negotiate the contract. I suggest unless said parent relative is an ex player they will have as little idea as me or you on negotiating a good contract.

Wilder uses an agent to sort his contracts with the Blades as clearly he feels he should use someone with an expertise in negotiating contracts. You'd have thought he would have got his dad or mate from the pub to do it.....
 
mosbolad said:
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And that is not Brooks dad on the right........

And I presume by the 'friendless ophan' comment you are suggesting a player has his Mum or Dad or dads best mate to negotiate the contract. I suggest unless said parent relative is an ex player they will have as little idea as me or you on negotiating a good contract.

Wilder uses an agent to sort his contracts with the Blades as clearly he feels he should use someone with an expertise in negotiating contracts. You'd have thought he would have got his dad or mate from the pub to do it.....
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They don’t appear to
me to be in the process of negotiating a contract either, so I don’t get your point.

I originally stated that they only need advice when negotiating a contract and I stand by that point. The fact is very few 17 year olds will get a better than bog standard deal offered, so for them it’s a take it or leave it scenario wether you’re sat alongside your Dad, his mate from the pub or Jorge Mendes.

If agents primary concern is to make sure young lads aren’t ripped off by football clubs, then why are there more lads with agents at Chelsea than there are at Chesterfield?

Agents only came into the football arena when the wages went through the roof, it is primarily driven by easy money, although I’m sure there are circumstances where they have been invaluable, on the whole I don’t think they provide value for money.

Chris Morgan is just part of the process and has been recruited to exploit his contacts within the game, to steer the best players towards Stellar Sports Management
 
1889 said:
They don’t appear to
me to be in the process of negotiating a contract either, so I don’t get your point.

I originally stated that they only need advice when negotiating a contract and I stand by that point. The fact is very few 17 year olds will get a better than bog standard deal offered, so for them it’s a take it or leave it scenario wether you’re sat alongside your Dad, his mate from the pub or Jorge Mendes.

If agents primary concern is to make sure young lads aren’t ripped off by football clubs, then why are there more lads with agents at Chelsea than there are at Chesterfield?

Agents only came into the football arena when the wages went through the roof, it is primarily driven by easy money, although I’m sure there are circumstances where they have been invaluable, on the whole I don’t think they provide value for money.

Chris Morgan is just part of the process and has been recruited to exploit his contacts within the game, to steer the best players towards Stellar Sports Management
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Yes I struggled to find hidden camera footage of the contract negotiations in progress.......

Well....Chelsea have more players on bigger contracts including maybe image rights and commercial representation. Having said that I would suggest most if not all of the Chesterfield team have agents. A quick glance at this link shows most have agents. https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-chesterfield/startseite/verein/1219 click on the player and the agency is listed.
Ramsdale - World in Motion
Anyon LPM
Parkin - Wizard Sports
Hird Volenti

And that's just the top 4.

Yes agents came into football and are still in for the money but you could say that about nearly anyone in any job. Footballer are big earners and if I was a player I would want some sort of representation to sort my contract. Wilder isn't thick or naive or has no knowledge of football yet he still uses an agent to negotiate his contract. When clubs had all the power before agents they imposed a maximum wage which was taken on by Jimmy Hill and the maximum wage was removed. Then there was the Bosman ruling as clubs in effect wanted a player for life (or until they had had enough of him).

Yes of course Morgan will try and steer players to Stellar. There are good and bad agents just as there are in any walk of life but with so much money involved they are here to stay.
 
Jagielka a better player although I seem to remember him playing midfield for us more than CH as was Cahill and Maguire but i suspect all 3 benefited from Morgan's presence on or off the pitch. Morgan's qualities as a player and particularly a leader are beyond doubt. as has been said GLTTL.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Can't see why the PFA can't draft up a standard footballers contract that all clubs MUST use.

Only thing that changes on each contract is the weekly salary and the length of contract.

Then the agents can all fuck off to somewhere nasty.
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Players' contracts are based on a standard document that all clubs must use.
 

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