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Woodys Thunderbolt said:
I've seen us miss numerous chances this season where we have hit it straight at the keeper or the shot has been powderpuff. Ive said to my mate if that was Ched he would have leathered it and scored. I honestly think if he played regularly for us in this current side he would be our top scorer no problem.
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Unfortunately it's not as simple as that, there's no guarantee he would have been in those positions or the build up play would have been the same with him in the team in place of any of our current strikers.

Ched's strength back in the day was making chances from nothing, admittedly we don't really have that in the team but I don't think his overall fitness or style would fit in with us any more. Not to mention he's only been successful at League 1 level as well, he has a hell of a lot to prove at Chumpionship level.
 



SwissBlade said:
How can you say that he's not good enough? His 2.5 years in the slammer was what, 3 seasons ago? He has done well for chesterfield and fleetwood, but with lots of injuries.

He's gone away to Fleetwood in the division below and is scoring plenty of goals (7 goals in 15 games). We could question whether he would get into our side and has enough all round for what we need right now, given that Wilder doesn't seem to be giving fringe players a lot of game time, instead sticking to reliable and consistent players even if they are out of form.

The question remains whether he's fit enough and whether he'd get enough game time at United.

Will he be back at United in Jan? I think its less likely, my assumption is that he will come back or be released/ sold in the summer.
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His first spell with us was underwhelming. To my knowledge, didn't play much the first year and didn't reach double figures the next year (I know we got relegated, but hardly strong evidence of a player who's destined to play at that level). He's then had 3+ years out of the game at any level, which doesn't add to his development.

He's since come back to United, barely played, hasn't scored and been farmed out on loan. We seem to have little interest in bringing him back. He's had plenty of time to prove himself in training and over the summer, but we've signed Donaldson, McGoldrick and Washington in that time. He cannot get a game for us.

I just can't see the evidence for him being good enough when all he's done is achieve one impressive (2012) and one good (2018 so far) record at the level below.
 
Sheff de party said:
His first spell with us was underwhelming. To my knowledge, didn't play much the first year and didn't reach double figures the next year (I know we got relegated, but hardly strong evidence of a player who's destined to play at that level). He's then had 3+ years out of the game at any level, which doesn't add to his development.

He's since come back to United, barely played, hasn't scored and been farmed out on loan. We seem to have little interest in bringing him back. He's had plenty of time to prove himself in training and over the summer, but we've signed Donaldson, McGoldrick and Washington in that time. He cannot get a game for us.

I just can't see the evidence for him being good enough when all he's done is achieve one impressive (2012) and one good (2018 so far) record at the level below.
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I know you don't like him, which is obviously your prerogative. However, if you're going to attempt to be objective in your analysis of whether he's good enough, i think you need to consider things better.

Pre Prison
As well as having a relegation season in the Championship where he was awful, but for reasons that weren't entirely his fault due to the role he was asked to play.

He also had a loan spell with Norwich in the Championship where he scored 10 in 28 games. Not prolific, but last season Billy scored 13 in 34 for United.
In League one, in a season where we didn't go up he scored 29 league goals, we know that Billy scored 30 in the promotion season.

Post Prison
Season with Chesterfield - 5 in 25, pretty poor return in a side that again got relegated. A season that was also plagued with Injury.
Last season Sheff United - pretty much injured all season, he unselfishly delayed his ankle op (carried over from the season with chesterfield) and then was recovering after this
This season Sheff United - He was clearly not fit or in form, hadn't played much in the previous season but had been fairly bright in preseason and then he was sent out to Fleetwood
This Season Fleetwood - Scored a decent number as i'd said above, doesn't mean that he's Championship level or ready yet, but it shows that he's bagging goals.

In summary, he was excellent and at his peak before prison, but since prison has failed to reach the heights of his pre prison peak in two seasons, but has physically not been fit enough to suggest that he is good enough.

However, the upside of this is that he's played more games already this season than last, we're not even at Christmas and he's 8 games away from reaching the 25 games he played for Chesterfield, having already returned more goals. For me the question mark remains on his fitness, but not really his ability

Subjectively, on pure football alone, the question has to be whether he is able to do a job for United this season in himself, in how he can fit the system and against the competition. He's 29, but looked leaner this season, so if he can get over the niggles, then it comes down to whether he's able to do the running that Billy, Leon and McG all do and recently Washington has shown. Washington has shown has the attributes in the last two games he's been involved and he's got plenty of pace.

essexblade73 offers a brief summary of last night, albeit on one viewing

For me, i think we're better to leave him where he is and look to bring that marquee striker in asap. If that doesn't happen and if Woodburn does go back then we have McG that slots in for Duffy and possibly Johnson... That might leave us short up top. So perhaps bring Ched back in as back up and hope he takes his chance when it comes.
 
The ship has sailed on the divisiveness debate other than for a small section of fans that haven’t moved on from opposing his return and another section that seem to want to persist with him just to annoy that other section. We bought him, the sky didn’t ultimately fall in, and he was fairly mediocre & injury prone so we loaned him out. In terms of his worth to us now, the question for me is if he were a permanent Fleetwood player right now, would he be a serious suggestion for us to sign in January? If the answer is no (spoiler: the answer is no), then what is the point of bringing him back to be a bit-part player? We can’t even get Clarke regular starts at the moment, and that’s with him coming off a fantastic season in the Championship.

The only scenario I can see him returning to us in is if we completely fail in all attempts to recruit a new striker in January, or if he has a remarkable spell of form in the next month (displaying the sort of pre-prison form we saw). He has the same goals and assists as Paddy Madden, and Lyle Taylor has a better goals:minutes ratio. I’d be seriously concerned at our January recruitment if either of them were on our target list, and they’re a year younger.
 
I think he needs to tear up the League one goalscoring records to have any chance of a return to the Lane.
 
I was at guiseley last night ,the ship has sailed we need better than ched harsh but true
 
SwissBlade said:
I know you don't like him, which is obviously your prerogative. However, if you're going to attempt to be objective in your analysis of whether he's good enough, i think you need to consider things better.

Pre Prison
As well as having a relegation season in the Championship where he was awful, but for reasons that weren't entirely his fault due to the role he was asked to play.

He also had a loan spell with Norwich in the Championship where he scored 10 in 28 games. Not prolific, but last season Billy scored 13 in 34 for United.
In League one, in a season where we didn't go up he scored 29 league goals, we know that Billy scored 30 in the promotion season.

Post Prison
Season with Chesterfield - 5 in 25, pretty poor return in a side that again got relegated. A season that was also plagued with Injury.
Last season Sheff United - pretty much injured all season, he unselfishly delayed his ankle op (carried over from the season with chesterfield) and then was recovering after this
This season Sheff United - He was clearly not fit or in form, hadn't played much in the previous season but had been fairly bright in preseason and then he was sent out to Fleetwood
This Season Fleetwood - Scored a decent number as i'd said above, doesn't mean that he's Championship level or ready yet, but it shows that he's bagging goals.

In summary, he was excellent and at his peak before prison, but since prison has failed to reach the heights of his pre prison peak in two seasons, but has physically not been fit enough to suggest that he is good enough.

However, the upside of this is that he's played more games already this season than last, we're not even at Christmas and he's 8 games away from reaching the 25 games he played for Chesterfield, having already returned more goals. For me the question mark remains on his fitness, but not really his ability

Subjectively, on pure football alone, the question has to be whether he is able to do a job for United this season in himself, in how he can fit the system and against the competition. He's 29, but looked leaner this season, so if he can get over the niggles, then it comes down to whether he's able to do the running that Billy, Leon and McG all do and recently Washington has shown. Washington has shown has the attributes in the last two games he's been involved and he's got plenty of pace.

essexblade73 offers a brief summary of last night, albeit on one viewing

For me, i think we're better to leave him where he is and look to bring that marquee striker in asap. If that doesn't happen and if Woodburn does go back then we have McG that slots in for Duffy and possibly Johnson... That might leave us short up top. So perhaps bring Ched back in as back up and hope he takes his chance when it comes.
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Excellent points I grant you. But in my view, he’s had one good season and hasn’t done anywhere near enough to suggest he’s an asset at this level. I don’t know why we bothered signing him, it’s a very puzzling one.

we are one of the second tier’s top sides. We can, and very much need to, do better. I think a lot of the calls for his return are based on nostalgia or the fact that he’s already our player, but he really doesn’t make us better.

I take your point about the marquee striker - it’s either get us a top goal scorer or another season in the championship.

We can all agree that’s not Ched.
 
BettingBlade said:
Ched is a better finisher than McGoldrick. And that’s a fact.
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However McGoldrick is a much better all round footballer, actually on a different level. So we have a lad who is not as good a finisher as Sharp but doesn't have the overall game of McGoldrick. Its over at Bramall Lane for Ched unless we get relegated, which wont happen this season
 
essexblade73 said:
However McGoldrick is a much better all round footballer, actually on a different level. So we have a lad who is not as good a finisher as Sharp but doesn't have the overall game of McGoldrick. Its over at Bramall Lane for Ched unless we get relegated, which wont happen this season
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Which begs the question "why did we bother signing him in the first place?". It looks more and more to me that we either morally or legally owed him something after reneging on our word to sign him following the hubris when he was released, this was the way of us doing that without having to make a one-off payment and/or lose face in a legal battle. I imagine that the owners' lawyers are getting rich enough at the moment without having had a Ched case to deal with as well.

The upside of him being out on loan is that at least Fleetwood will be covering some of his wages (hopefully!).
 
Sheff de party said:
Excellent points I grant you. But in my view, he’s had one good season and hasn’t done anywhere near enough to suggest he’s an asset at this level. I don’t know why we bothered signing him, it’s a very puzzling one.

we are one of the second tier’s top sides. We can, and very much need to, do better. I think a lot of the calls for his return are based on nostalgia or the fact that he’s already our player, but he really doesn’t make us better.

I take your point about the marquee striker - it’s either get us a top goal scorer or another season in the championship.

We can all agree that’s not Ched.
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When we signed Ched we were not a top side in the second tier, we were certainly not financially, even if we started playing like it. We'd just come from the 'pub league'. Roll forward 12 months after finishing midtable and we're still not financially able to compete with the top sides for Championship strikers, so we've had to take gambles - Donaldson, McG etc. I don't really think there was nostalgia when we signed him, but that he would come for a fairly low deal compared to the likes of Jordan Rhodes (the two top scorers in Ched's conviction season).
 



I don't think the truth of why we signed him will ever come out.


Rumours in press of him suing us for lost wages and McCabe visiting him in prison etc
 
SwissBlade said:
When we signed Ched we were not a top side in the second tier, we were certainly not financially, even if we started playing like it. We'd just come from the 'pub league'. Roll forward 12 months after finishing midtable and we're still not financially able to compete with the top sides for Championship strikers, so we've had to take gambles - Donaldson, McG etc. I don't really think there was nostalgia when we signed him, but that he would come for a fairly low deal compared to the likes of Jordan Rhodes (the two top scorers in Ched's conviction season).
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It’s just never made sense to me when there are so many other footballers out there. It was a gamble and it’s failed, but was it ever really likely to come off?
 
Sheff de party said:
It’s just never made sense to me when there are so many other footballers out there. It was a gamble and it’s failed, but was it ever really likely to come off?
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No, but very few gambles do come off. That’s why bookies are loaded and mug punters are skint.
This was a high risk one with the possibility of a high return. Wilder balanced that with lower risk signings. We’ve gone up, done quite well and continued to do so this season while the clubs that came up with us haven’t. So in the grand scheme of things it’s not really caused us any problems, other than a few supporters who struggle to debate properly calling each other names on the internet.
 
SwissBlade said:
It still could come off, which would be fantastic for the club, Ched and us fans.
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Time isn’t on his side on this one though – he has just over 6 months of his contract left, and unless he’s recalled in January (and then does well) does anyone expect anything other than him being on the released list?

I expect he will continue to be a reasonable League 1 player, and no doubt plenty of clubs at that level would take him. But I suspect he won’t again play regular Championship football.
 
Scored again , penalty like , but still has to put it away,as we are all to aware !
 
Bladesway said:
Woo, Ched scores in League 1. Is anyone going to tell me he is better than any of our three main options up top? Better than Leon, Billy or McG?
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No , but he's still our player could be an option , in fact might be our only option as we sell all our best players and don't replace them !
 
wavy-blade said:
I didn't realise that O'Grady , Lavery and Stead were still our players ! Learn something new every day !!
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Lets all look backwards and bring back the player that cost a relative fortune at the time and fired us to a relegation and then fucked up our opportunity to be promoted back by his behaviour. The same player we bought back (God knows why) and paid wages to who scored fuck all and then had to have an operation and rehabilitation and who is now banging in penalties in League One. Yes lets have the bad penny back. CW gets rid of players for two reasons (1) They're not good enough or (2) Their sale will finance further investment in the team.
 



Snowman said:
Lets all look backwards and bring back the player that cost a relative fortune at the time and fired us to a relegation and then fucked up our opportunity to be promoted back by his behaviour. The same player we bought back (God knows why) and paid wages to who scored fuck all and then had to have an operation and rehabilitation and who is now banging in penalties in League One. Yes lets have the bad penny back. CW gets rid of players for two reasons (1) They're not good enough or (2) Their sale will finance further investment in the team.
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I saw Michael Brown on the Football League review the other day. Could he do a job?
 
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