Ched refused right to appeal :(

[s35blade]

It's irrelevant. Some people are questioning the verdict because they think it's fishy, not because he's an ex-United player. You don't seem to be able to get past that. It is quite possible to accept that he is no longer a United player and in all likelihood would be playing at a different club had he been found innocent, whilst also believing that this verdict might be a bit suspect.

If it was wednesday player sent down would there be the same attitude on this forum?

 

[moDtheGod]

On this forum? Yes, there 100% would be. Most people on here are bright enough to see beyond it. I'm sure there would be plenty of anti-pigs banter amongst the serious discussion, but I believe we would be having the exact same discussion. Many would take the hard line "he's convicted, move on" line and many would question the verdict - exactly what's happening here.

(I'm assuming you mean sent down for the exact same thing in the exact circumstances, rather than, for example, Gary Madine being sent down for beating someone up and shitting in their pint glass)

 

[TarquinDelouche]

If it was wednesday player sent down would there be the same attitude on this forum?

Personally, if it were a Wednesday player, I wouldn't have been half as interested so wouldn't have kept up with the details. I would have then been just like the pig fans are now... quite happy to accept that he's guilty, without knowing anything about it.

 

[ChrisBlade]

S35blade, probably not because we would not have taken the same interest in the case and therefore would not be bemused by the ins-and-outs of it all. But there would be the same type of discussion on the Wendies board.

By abstraction, if I had taken the same interest and he was a Wednesday player, what I wrote in my earlier post would still stand exactly the same way. One would still raise valid questions but maybe feel less of an emotional resonance.

Put it differently and maybe more controversially,when the trial was going on and we had this monster thread that had a 1,000 posts or more, one common factor expressed many times as people on here for the first time came into deeper contact with the intricacies of rape not as a violent crime in the classical sense that all our parents always warned our sisters about, but as a crime bang on the borderline of sleeping with drunk strangers after a night out, was that people felt they may have also had sex with strangers where a bystander (read the jury) might have concluded from short video footage that the partner was too heavily drunk to still meaningfully consent. So quite a few people might have done a Clayton, although, one would hope, not really clammy profiteering in the Ched-mould.

That was another interwesting factor, by the way, that my German mate commented on. He said when growing up in Germany, they always looked to the UK as a fairly wonderful mixture of creativity (music and films), laid back stoicism and healthy anarchy. He saw the English as a naturally rebellious race that always had a tendency to question any act of authority. Unlike the more efficient and streamlined German mentality.

In that context, he said it shocked him how many people on the forums swiftly turned from "he is a good but daft lad but probably should get off" to "a jury found him guilty, so he is now bona fide confirmed scum, throw away the key." He had never associated England with such unquestioningly vindictive, radical black and white thinking...

I smiled and said that this knee-jerking is the norm, really.

So no. I disagree. This has no longer much to do with blinkered views of football fans. This has turned into more, a discussion of how we view the world and should question authority. About grey areas and intricate judgments calls.

MoDtheGod is correct. Judgments are judgments. We would hope that the vast majority are correct. This one may be correct, too. Or it may not be. As intelligent human beings we should at least question each and every one of them that we come into contact with. You inform yourself and have an opinion. It's fun and does not hurt, as long as you stay away from generalized and radicalized statements the kind of which drag down discussions on the second of our forum bugbears that never seems to die, finances and Mr. McCabe...

 

[Jehovah]

Thats wrong on so may levels it doesnt matter diddly squat if Evans believed to be raping that girl. The fact is he did and you cant argue that. Otherwise right now he'd be playing for Leicester or someone instead of sitting in the nick.

Also your doing the jury a massive disservice you don't seriously think the jury convicted him because they wanted to go home do you? Why are people on this forum so keen to defend him. Even if he wasnt sent down he would of pissed of by now

I think you will find I can and I am. Its like I have already said, a jury coming to a guilty verdict does not mean the suspect is in fact guilty. They dont know do they? how can they? all they can do is make a decision based on the evidence, which IMO was a joke and the case should have been thrown out at half time.

Understand I am not saying Evans did not rape this woman, obviously I don't know. All I am saying is how the jury found him guilty is an embarassment. So as for doing the jury a disservice, I don't believe I am. Clearly they ballsed up.

Big time.

 

[s35blade]

this was the sort of case were they could of easily both been sent down or both walked. personally after scanning over the case the jury reached the correct decision purely due to the fact that evans went to that hotel room because he knew there was a girl there who would not say no because she was in no state to consent in the first place but as you say that's just my opinion

 

[TarquinDelouche]

this was the sort of case were they could of easily both been sent down or both walked. personally after scanning over the case the jury reached the correct decision purely due to the fact that evans went to that hotel room because he knew there was a girl there who would not say no because she was in no state to consent in the first place but as you say that's just my opinion

He also happened to make it clear that if she was fit to give consent, there was a good chance she would say "yes".

 

[Pinchy]

s35blade,

Could HAVE - verb phrase - Correct.
Could OF - verb conditioning preposition?? - meaningless - nonsense.

 

[s35blade]

s35blade,

Could HAVE - verb phrase - Correct.
Could OF - verb conditioning preposition?? - meaningless - nonsense.

my deepest apologies i will work on my grammar in the future

 

[Pinchy]

my deepest apologies i will work on my grammar in the future

Thank you. It will make your worthwhile contributions much more enjoyable! It's not really grammar at all, though. The word 'of' simply doesn't have any meaning when used in that way! It is, quite literally, nonsense. Sadly for the language, It's not just you, mate.

 

[s35blade]

Thank you. It will make your worthwhile contributions much more enjoyable! It's not really grammar at all, though. The word 'of' simply doesn't have any meaning when used in that way! It is, quite literally, nonsense. Sadly for the language, It's not just you, mate.

i know. God knows how i got a B in english on thursday

 

[broomhillblade]

i know. God knows how i got a B in english on thursday

I blame the teachers.... ;-)

 

[Sheff de party]

Yesterdays news means it will be up to 9 months-1 year before any further news on Evans and even then there is little chance of a re-trial; that will not only mean he will never play for us again but may never play football again - he would be on the sex offenders list and thus I believe could he not work with people under the age of 18 meaning a football club could not employ him - I may be wrong on this?

As I have said before; time to move on.

Marlon King is on the register and will be for 7 years. There is nothing to stop Ched coming back and playing footy again apart from his own attitude/inclination. knowing ul get booed every time u touch the ball might be enough to put u off.

 

[s35blade]

Marlon King is on the register and will be for 7 years. There is nothing to stop Ched coming back and playing footy again apart from his own attitude/inclination. knowing ul get booed every time u touch the ball might be enough to put u off.

also after 2 1/2 years sat in the clink he may of lost a lot of his game

 

[beightonblade]

I don't give a flying fook about Ched Evans.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

also after 2 1/2 years sat in the clink he may of lost a lot of his game

After 2 1/2 years worth of prison showers he might not be able to walk again...