CONFIRMED Ched Evans officially signs for SUFC

[FMBlade1]

Jesus you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you.

She owes SUFC nothing. How do you think she gets paid?

It's not about them dropping her. But if they encourage her or ask her, why would she refuse.

She was the golden girl of British sport, the poster girl of the 2012 Olympics. And again, tell me how she earns her money?

As for comparing her to Sean Bean lol. I'll leave it there for fear of upsetting some of his mates on here.

I didn't compare her to Sean Bean, I compared his approach to her approach. I don't think/guess she really thought there was anything wrong with Evans playing football, this can be shown by her not objecting to Marlon King playing football, and indeed scoring directly underneath her stand.

(its a bit like John Bercow objecting to Trump coming to the UK but saying nothing when the Emir of Kuwait visits)

How damaging would it have been for her to have said 'no comment'? If her sponsors/Sport England asked her to do something that doesn't necessarily have meant she had to. Of course I understand her actions, but at the same time it is right they are critiqued and she could have managed it better IMO whether she owes us something or not she unnecessarily added fuel to the fire which damaged our club

(also genuinely interested whether her sponsors/Sport England pressured her, is that something you know or reasonably assume?)

 

[Sean Thornton]

Jesus you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you.

She owes SUFC nothing. How do you think she gets paid?

It's not about them dropping her. But if they encourage her or ask her, why would she refuse.

She was the golden girl of British sport, the poster girl of the 2012 Olympics. And again, tell me how she earns her money?

As for comparing her to Sean Bean lol. I'll leave it there for fear of upsetting some of his mates on here.

I have to say my recollection is that FM was posting on Blades forums well before the Ched saga. It's wrong for anyone to suggest otherwise.

Nice dig at Sean Bean though. Has he had any input into this or is your personal "interest" in him like FM's for Ched.

Ennis wasn't compared to him either.

After saying that, FM's comments regarding apologies and the bizarre posting of a Marlon King goal are batshit crazy IMO.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I didn't compare her to Sean Bean, I compared his approach to her approach. I don't think/guess she really thought there was anything wrong with Evans playing football, this can be shown by her not objecting to Marlon King playing football, and indeed scoring directly underneath her stand.

(its a bit like John Bercow objecting to Trump coming to the UK but saying nothing when the Emir of Kuwait visits)

How damaging would it have been for her to have said 'no comment'? If her sponsors/Sport England asked her to do something that doesn't necessarily have meant she had to. Of course I understand her actions, but at the same time it is right they are critiqued and she could have managed it better IMO whether she owes us something or not she unnecessarily added fuel to the fire which damaged our club

(also genuinely interested whether her sponsors/Sport England pressured her, is that something you know or reasonably assume?)

Scoring beneath HER stand? Come on FM, you aren't even treading water with this one. Ennis did nothing wrong. Have a go at Heaton, not as easy a target I'd guess.

 

[FMBlade1]

Scoring beneath HER stand? Come on FM, you aren't even treading water with this one. Ennis did nothing wrong. Have a go at Heaton, not as easy a target I'd guess.

The stand had her name on it when King scored, ok she doesn't own it but it was called 'The Jessica Ennis stand'. I've had a go at Heaton for the same reason but he's not being discussed. Ennis could have managed it better by taking Sean Bean's approach IMO and would have saved the club unnecessary damage without damaging herself

If Ennis was right about Evans she was wrong about King. Can't be right both right with King and Evans.

 

[Boxer Blade]

Good old ched 14 pages already and it's not June yet, just wait till pre season starts and he reports he cannot start as he got a groin strain a couple of days ago while away for the weekend with a couple of mates :-SS

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So if she had taken the 'Sean Bean approach' approach what do you think would have happened? She wouldn't have been allowed to compete and lose all her sponsors? Is that what happened when Marlon King signed for us and she said nothing?

Fan or no fan, what she did was unnecessarily damaging to the club, and actually led to David Cameron being asked about her approach at a G20 press conference in Australia.

And I'm interested in what you think my true agenda regarding Ched is by the way its fascinating how important I am xd Quite frankly I don't care whether she apologies or not (although I think she should examine her conscience how she neglected King and picked on Evans), the fact is her actions lead a lot to be desired. Don't you dare try to insinuate (if you are, apologies if not) that I had anything to do with or condone the pathetic abuse she or indeed anyone else has endured.

As has been insinuated, she probably knew very little about Marlon King. She’s a lass who grew up near the lane and has always had a preference for the blades without being a big football fan. He probably never crossed her radar because others didn't kick up a massive stink about him and pester her for an opinion.


She doesn’t have to do anything for our club. She owes us nothing. She has her own interests to take care of and she didn’t actively come out to try to damage the club. She stayed silent for quite some time but when Jean and her mob were harassing everyone in question, she was pressed for a position on it (given a number of patrons had already resigned). It was in the interests of her public image to distance herself from the affair. United handled the situation appallingly. Others such as Jean and the tabloids etc. behaved appallingly (along with the knuckle dragging element of our support). Webster (who professes to be a blade to a much greater extent than Ennis) was the only patron who actively campaigned against his signing and who attacked the club. Heaton expressed an opinion that some didn’t like. Ennis was reluctant to even do that. Given she has less affiliation with the club than the others, she did anything but stick the knife in. She owes nobody an apology.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I'd recommend you use a London based lawyer. The provincial ones are rarely up to it.

It would not be proportionate to incur Central London rates. I should coco would lose a Wraith argument for this matter I’m afraid. But here at Irwin Mitchell, we can offer you the best service from our Sheffield Office….

 

[1danewhitehouse]

How damaging would it have been for her to have said 'no comment'? If her sponsors/Sport England asked her to do something that doesn't necessarily have meant she had to. Of course I understand her actions, but at the same time it is right they are critiqued and she could have managed it better IMO whether she owes us something or not she unnecessarily added fuel to the fire which damaged our club

My guess at an answer to your question is it would have been a little damaging. Perhaps you can answer why she should suffer damage (even a little) for something that ultimately has little to do with her?

 

[BushBlade]

It would not be proportionate to incur Central London rates. I should coco would lose a Wraith argument for this matter I’m afraid. But here at Irwin Mitchell, we can offer you the best service from our Sheffield Office….

About 25 years ago I needed a lease for a shop I was intending to rent looking at. I went to IM and one of their solicitors (who I think was quite senior) had a read of it. Realising I was pretty skint and trying to get a business off the ground he pointed out the highly onerous FRI clause, explained what it meant. then didn't charge me. I can't remember his name now unfortunately but I'll always be grateful for his help.

 

[Davalon]

I have to say my recollection is that FM was posting on Blades forums well before the Ched saga. It's wrong for anyone to suggest otherwise.

Nice dig at Sean Bean though. Has he had any input into this or is your personal "interest" in him like FM's for Ched.

Ennis wasn't compared to him either.

After saying that, FM's comments regarding apologies and the bizarre posting of a Marlon King goal are batshit crazy IMO.

Thought it was quite obvious I was referring to his approach on Evans in the context of the thread when comparing, not as individuals.

Nice dig? People can take it that way but I think most of us can reasonably assume why he wouldn't thrust himself into this argument (and for the hard of thinking like FM I'm not talking about rape before anyone tries to suggest I am).

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Hmmm. So Paul Heaton (rightly) gets off scot free. Yet Charlie Webster and Jess Ennis continue to get pursued by some, seeking some sort of vicarious vengeance...

The unpleasantness of the case lingers around like a blocked toilet. Or, more to the point, it's been brought back to linger around.

Hey ho.

 

[FMBlade1]

My guess at an answer to your question is it would have been a little damaging. Perhaps you can answer why she should suffer damage (even a little) for something that ultimately has little to do with her?

Did she have to ask for her name to be taken off the stand and give such a damning statement? Something like 'Personally I disagree with the course of action the club is taking but respect everyone's right to an opinion' would have been more than sufficient IMO , tbf you raise some decent points, perhaps I'm being too idealistic but for me she went OTT when she didn't have to which was a great pity (and of great damage). (She has said on national television that she is 'a fan of the club' as a point of information)

Alfreton14Blade : No seeking vengeance from me, just a critique of her actions. For the record I think it would be a good thing to apologize (for picking on Evans but not King) but I certainly don't demand it. Webster for the record apologized for glamouring Tyson before his dark history was pointed out to her.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Thought it was quite obvious I was referring to his approach on Evans in the context of the thread when comparing, not as individuals.

Nice dig? People can take it that way but I think most of us can reasonably assume why he wouldn't thrust himself into this argument (and for the hard of thinking like FM I'm not talking about rape before anyone tries to suggest I am).

"As for comparing her to Sean Bean lol. I'll leave it there for fear of upsetting some of his mates on here."

Not obvious to me I'm afraid. Not based on the above anyway.

Your second paragraph is quite clear to me though. FM was actually comparing their different approaches though, rather than eithers private lives.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

FM Blade: "No seeking vengeance from me, just a critique of her actions. For the record I think it would be a good thing to apologize (for picking on Evans but not King) but I certainly don't demand it. Webster for the record apologized for glamouring Tyson before his dark history was pointed out to her."



Mate, it's the gap between the critique of the likes of Webster & Ennis and that of males like Heaton that I was getting at.

It doesn't look good, is the point I'm making.

 

[FMBlade1]

Mate, do you ever think that letting bygones be bygones might be the best course of action?

I have criticized Heaton for similar reasons in the past, but probably lost over on Bladesmad. I didn't start it xd on here was merely picking up on the discussion. And you're right this discussion isn't going anywhere, there will be (hopefully) no more off field talk regarding this saga and now its 'just' a footballing issue

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

I have criticized Heaton for similar reasons in the past, but probably lost over on Bladesmad. I didn't start it xd on here was merely picking up on the discussion. And you're right this discussion isn't going anywhere, there will be (hopefully) no more off field talk regarding this saga and now its 'just' a footballing issue

Aye, to be fair to you, you have done: I've certainly read stuff you've written about him on Bladesmad.

As you've seen, I edited my post - it's a bit rich for me to be talking about leaving bygones as bygones, given my views about Mester Evans tbf. So, instead I just sort of clarified what I was trying to get at.

Anyway, the debate will go on. The genie's been let back out of the bottle now.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Aye, to be fair to you, you have done: I've certainly read stuff you've written about him on Bladesmad.

As you've seen, I edited my post - it's a bit rich for me to be talking about leaving bygones as bygones, given my views about Mester Evans tbf. So, instead I just sort of clarified what I was trying to get at.

Anyway, the debate will go on. The genie's been let back out of the bottle now.

Is it a man genie or a lady genie? It's important.

 

[BushBlade]

Is it a man genie or a lady genie? It's important.

Non-binary?

 

[Davalon]

Your second paragraph is quite clear to me though. FM was actually comparing their different approaches though, rather than eithers private lives.

I'd guess it is. However rather than just see it as a dig or comparison of private lives, I think it's a reasonable point why he might not want to wade into the argument publicly.

I've no idea what his views on Evans have been. I've a couple of mutual friends but have spent little or no time in his company for years. I've no personal axe to grind with him and actually think he's a good actor.

I know people from Handsworth who like him, and some who can't abide him.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Is it a man genie or a lady genie? It's important.

Sorry, you'll have to ask Aladdin that one.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sorry, you'll have to ask Aladdin that one.

His genie came from a lamp Alf.

Anyway kick off time approaches!

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

. And KM had threatened to take me to CAS.

Not bad at The Jungle, tha'll be reight.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I suspect this has always been the case and explains the need for religion but that's not for this board.

So Tony Currie's not god?

Fuck off.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Did she have to ask for her name to be taken off the stand and give such a damning statement? Something like 'Personally I disagree with the course of action the club is taking but respect everyone's right to an opinion' would have been more than sufficient IMO , tbf you raise some decent points, perhaps I'm being too idealistic but for me she went OTT when she didn't have to which was a great pity (and of great damage). (She has said on national television that she is 'a fan of the club' as a point of information)

Alfreton14Blade : No seeking vengeance from me, just a critique of her actions. For the record I think it would be a good thing to apologize (for picking on Evans but not King) but I certainly don't demand it. Webster for the record apologized for glamouring Tyson before his dark history was pointed out to her.

She didn’t have to do those things. But it was probably in her best interests to do so. Her comments were probably written for her by PR guys. As for ‘picking on Ched’ I would point out that she was very late to the discussion and only commented after others had called on her to. She owed us nothing and protected herself without a great deal of fuss (and who knows, might have actually believed in what she said, which, on the information available at the time, was an opinion she was perfectly entitled to hold).


The overriding point is she owed us nothing. She didn’t have a duty to us. She did what was best for her career and has absolutely nothing to apologise for.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

FM Blade: "No seeking vengeance from me, just a critique of her actions. For the record I think it would be a good thing to apologize (for picking on Evans but not King) but I certainly don't demand it. Webster for the record apologized for glamouring Tyson before his dark history was pointed out to her."



Mate, it's the gap between the critique of the likes of Webster & Ennis and that of males like Heaton that I was getting at.

It doesn't look good, is the point I'm making.

That’s a valid point. Ennis has done nothing more severe than what Heaton did (and I can’t fault either of them for their approach). I think there’s an argument to suggest that Webster used it to further her profile as her handling of the situation was different and she actively attacked the club accusing them of inviting him to train on the same day as another piece of news broke so we could bury it etc. I think criticism of her actions would hold more water. Nothing to do with gender but


(a) the difference in the actions committed and

(b) being less high profile already meant potentially more motivation to use it s a PR tool


We’ll never know her intentions one way or the other. But either way, at the time, he was a convicted rapist and she was within her rights to put her opinion forward (like every one of us has). She doesn’t need to apologise either as far as I’m concerned. As long as these people now accept that in the eyes of the law, he is an innocent man and is free to resume his career, I don’t think anyone can really be too critical of what went before. We all have our opinions and this has been a contentious issue with a very wide spectrum of opinion.

 

[FMBlade1]

She didn’t have to do those things. But it was probably in her best interests to do so. Her comments were probably written for her by PR guys. As for ‘picking on Ched’ I would point out that she was very late to the discussion and only commented after others had called on her to. She owed us nothing and protected herself without a great deal of fuss (and who knows, might have actually believed in what she said, which, on the information available at the time, was an opinion she was perfectly entitled to hold).


The overriding point is she owed us nothing. She didn’t have a duty to us. She did what was best for her career and has absolutely nothing to apologise for.

I'm sure she was more than capable of making her own statement and would have protected herself and her best interests by saying 'Personally I disagree with the club's course of action but I respect the right of everyone to an opinion and the legal right that he has to be re-employed. It is of regret that I did not voice my opinion reflecting the same view regarding Sheffield United signing Marlon King'

(We will never know whether she was aware of Marlon King, I'd guess she did, but I'll leave that aside)

She protected herself with a great deal of fuss at the expense of the club, the city and fans reputation. She knew that her statement about the stand (no pun intended) would cause news headlines across the world, which it did at the G20 Summit press conference in Australia. She didn't have to do it to protect herself, the statement I made up above would have more than sufficed IMO

Heaton by the way used the incident to promote himself (think he offered his concert proceedings to a women's charity) and would certainly have been aware of Marlon King. He certainly could have taken the Sean Bean approach and not suffered. Again, perhaps I'm being too idealistic, but I don't think Ennis or Heaton needed to be as forceful as they were.

(I don't think Webster on the other hand is worthy of mention considering the issue is very personal to her having been a victim herself)

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

His genie came from a lamp Alf.

Anyway kick off time approaches!

Soz mate, I was getting me Aladdins and Aguileras mixed up.

Did you go to the u18s final?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Soz mate, I was getting me Aladdins and Agulieras mixed up.

Did you go to the u18s final?

Yes. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Lads played some very good football and really should have won by more. Coventry keeper loped decent and had to be. Lots impressed me, but they weren't generally as tall as the Coventry players but seemed to win the majority of the headers with well timed jumps all game. Our keepers kicking was generally excellent as well.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

That’s a valid point. Ennis has done nothing more severe than what Heaton did (and I can’t fault either of them for their approach). I think there’s an argument to suggest that Webster used it to further her profile as her handling of the situation was different and she actively attacked the club accusing them of inviting him to train on the same day as another piece of news broke so we could bury it etc. I think criticism of her actions would hold more water. Nothing to do with gender but


(a) the difference in the actions committed and

(b) being less high profile already meant potentially more motivation to use it s a PR tool


We’ll never know her intentions one way or the other. But either way, at the time, he was a convicted rapist and she was within her rights to put her opinion forward (like every one of us has). She doesn’t need to apologise either as far as I’m concerned. As long as these people now accept that in the eyes of the law, he is an innocent man and is free to resume his career, I don’t think anyone can really be too critical of what went before. We all have our opinions and this has been a contentious issue with a very wide spectrum of opinion.

As you say, no-one knows Charlie Webster's motivations (despite the wild speculation, & despite the motivation of those doing the speculating). It's fully possible to have seen her views as not being self-interested or driven by base financial motives.

 

[Torrix1889]

Neither Ennis or Webster should have to issue an apology. They were hounded by the press for being high-profile, (well in Ennis' case anyway) females associated with SUFC. They were backed into a corner and responded exactly as they were expected to. If they chose not to comment then the Hatchett's of this world would have rounded on them and derided them as women......neither was ever going to win!

I'm not sticking up for them at all, I don't particularly like either of them (and didn't prior to Chedgate) but to hound them for an apology is a waste of time!

Heaton on the other hand is an interesting one and I wouldn't have expected him to get involved at all....but I suppose as he's a lad and a Blade he will be let off the hook.