Ched Evans interview

[Addison]

He may as well not have bothered. Gutter press at it again. Mirror focusing on stupid tweet from Bellew rather than reporting on his interview. The media will only concentrate on the negative where Ched E

 

[I should coco]

And rather than ‘leaping to defend the Fourth Estate’, I did merely ask a question of which was unfair

Yes you did, but your first post sugggested all everyone had done was to 'report facts'. This was blatantly untrue as evidenced by the first few front pages I found after a quick Google.

There are far worse articles that go way beyond the boundaries of 'reasonable comment'. Ched knows he can't win and so has put it behind him. Sadly I think many of your 'colleagues' can't wait for the first minor misdemeanor.

 

[Addison]

He may as well not have bothered. Gutter press at it again. Mirror focusing on stupid tweet from Bellew rather than reporting on his interview. The media will only concentrate on the negative where Ched E

Pressed send too early!!

where Ched Evans is concerned. They will never allow him to move on. The article does at least have a video of his statement outside Court where he apologised to all those affected by his actions, so why does he need to do it again?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/boxer-tony-bellew-says-ched-12231259

Karl Massey's radio interview in 2016 explains in detail the injustice of Cheds conviction. Well worth a listen for those attempting to re write history.

http://talkradio.co.uk/news/ched-ev...ck-football-star-during-rape-storm-1611176783

 

[snootyfenooty]

Are you saying he can't have those ambitions? I've got ambitions to play for England and play in the Premier League, and I'm 39 with knackered knees and no football talent.

You're not James Milner by any chance are you?

 

[stringer]

Yes you did, but your first post sugggested all everyone had done was to 'report facts'. This was blatantly untrue as evidenced by the first few front pages I found after a quick Google.

There are far worse articles that go way beyond the boundaries of 'reasonable comment'. Ched knows he can't win and so has put it behind him. Sadly I think many of your 'colleagues' can't wait for the first minor misdemeanor.

I was speaking from personal experience rather than for The Sun etc. The laws on what the media can and can’t write about Ched are tighter than many think

 

[TJB.]

This thread. This thread is exactly the reason why I was trepidatious about Ched doing an interview.

The whole thing belongs in the past and we need to move on, because every time it's brought up the same thing happens.

After around five years of it I thought we'd finally left it behind. The whole debate brings out the worst in some people, without fail, every single time.

And then dickheads pipe up who know very little about anything yet still feel the need to pass comment.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Simon Jordan said that if he was Kevin McCabe he would have stripped Jessica Ennis' name off the stand as soon as she piped up and contributed hugely to putting the club in the position it was.

I couldn't agree more and it still winds me up thinking about it.

That we named a stand after her in the first place was totally pathetic, let alone generous and unnecessary. To then leave her name on it after she threw it back in our face was so pitifully weak and a total insult to ourselves. We did ourselves a huge disservice.

The silence from Ennis since he was found not guilty has been deafening.

Same goes for all the ignorant attention seeking preaching fuckwits who reported it so unfairly and said such vile, damaging things.

It’s possible to view the response from individuals concerned about the reputational damage at the time as justifiable, while accepting the quashing of the original verdict. They have no case to answer, as they were reacting entirely to the information at the time (which related to a then convicted rapist).

Unfortunately too many view the quashing if the original verdict as evidence that the stance they had at the time was wrong. It’s not really as simple as that.

I agree entirely though that the stand should never have been renamed for Ennis in the first place though. I have every respect for her achievements in athletics – it was ridiculous for a football stadium stand to bear her name.

He also admitted that he’s never spoke to the media since leaving prison and he feels better to finally speak about it.

Well that clearly isn’t true, and is demonstrably false. We had plenty of discussion about this at the time too: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-fought-this-for-my-family-im-not-a-rapist-w3b3b28mp

 

[Sheffsteel]

So he felt terrible for his family and friends for receiving abuse - but no word for the other victim in this case, the girl who didn't even make a complaint against him but ended up being the one having to change her identity and move from her home town after being abused and illegally publicly named by said family and friends?

He was never asked about the girl.

However I agree, in general his intereview seemed heartfelt and was good

But it would have been wise for him to comment that there were many sufferers, including the girl and her family and friends.
He should have also quickly admitted some regret and his embrassment regards his own actions/ behaviour that night.
However I don’t think it’s deliberate or malicious, just don’t think Ched is an articulate media savvy speaker.
Hence why he’s always shyed away from interviews, just in case he accidentally puts his foot in it.

 

[Sheffsteel]

This thread. This thread is exactly the reason why I was trepidatious about Ched doing an interview.

The whole thing belongs in the past and we need to move on, because every time it's brought up the same thing happens.

After around five years of it I thought we'd finally left it behind. The whole debate brings out the worst in some people, without fail, every single time.

And then dickheads pipe up who know very little about anything yet still feel the need to pass comment.

Agree, people dont know the facts of the case.

And make statements based on general opinions.
In fairness though the Talksport presenters were careful to be very even handed.
They mentioned that they’d received some tweets critising the young girl saying she should be punished for “crying rape”.

They made it clear on air that this was totally inaccurate
Because at no time did the girl say she was raped. She consistently said she knew nothing after a certain time that night.
She assumed that a date rape drug might have been used on her, which was later proven not to be the case.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Well that clearly isn’t true, and is demonstrably false. We had plenty of discussion about this at the time too: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-fought-this-for-my-family-im-not-a-rapist-w3b3b28mp

Maybe he meant a recorded interview for the whole world to listen to his direct unedited viewpoints.
I don’t think Ched is media savvy regards interviews, so has probably been advised in the past not to do recorded interviews.

 

[Maidenhead]

The first one on the left hand side.

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Perhaps actually looking at what I post rather than leaping to defend the Fourth Estate, would be a better journalistic tactic?

Interesting that they have a headline calling Ched "a slimeball that treats women like dirt" right next to an advert saying "see all of Ola" and a picture of a scantily clad lady.

Double standards anybody?

 

[Chali 2na]

Seen some absolute bollocks from you but that’s absolutely beyond anything else. A patron of SUFC who was sexually abused says that a convicted rapist shouldn’t play for her club, and it makes her a cunt? Unbelievable. Shameful post.

It doesn't make her a cunt: It makes her a hypocrite who lacks integrity.

She would've turned her back on the club if Evans had signed, yet she wants a photo with Mike Tyson?

 

[Hamburg Blade]

This whole subject has been done to death on here, several times, and it is a shame that it keeps rearing its head. I will say, however, that the two Daily Telegraph articles linked to earlier in the thread are appalling. The first is nothing more than an emotion based rant, in the second the woman claims to have studied the case and then makes some completely wrong statements regarding the law and finishing with some daft comments from girls in her local salon, as if that proves everything. Deary me, it's no wonder so many people have so many different views on the matter.

 

[FMBlade1]

Marlon King. Convicted sex offender.

What did the patrons/media do/say when he signed for us in 2013?

 

[Bert]

Marlon King. Convicted sex offender.

What did the patrons/media do/say when he signed for us in 2013?

We've had a few bad types.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...ps-and-Nathan-Dyer-charged-with-burglary.html

 

[snootyfenooty]

Take no notice of Bellew. He's the fucking bonehead who said Kell Brook lacked bottle and shouldn't have quit and continued fighting blind with a smashed eye socket.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I think he looks stronger than he did before, certainly not as quick though I agree.

That's some radio tha's got.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Soft soap interview, not asked anything challenging.
And well done to the boxer who's chimed in with some really well informed comments.
Looking forward to the day he's no longer connected to the club and we can just talk about what players do or don't do on the pitch.

 

[itsinyerblood]

It doesn't make her a cunt: It makes her a hypocrite who lacks integrity.

She would've turned her back on the club if Evans had signed, yet she wants a photo with Mike Tyson?

Yes, her decision making was/is, at best, questionable. But to refer to anyone as a cunt should suggest many dubious qualities, and in this case the use of this word is wrong. The main thing is that two, well paid, adult males concocted a scenario that had profound ramifications beyond their limited experience. Whatever she does or doesn't recall about the incident, those who were the creators of this episode are culpable of behaviour that shouldn't be tolerated or excused. Both males have paid a hefty price for what happened, something that will follow them for the rest of their lives. As for the female, well she was foolish and has been revealed as such, but she doesn't deserve the comments that have been directed at her. It seems that in some quarters there's a 'bloke's club' that views women as little more than objects to be used, regardless of the consequences.

 

[Dkc]

It seems that in some quarters there's a 'bloke's club' that views women as little more than objects to be used, regardless of the consequences.

Some people also believe that women enjoy sex just as much as men, and if a woman wants to get drunk and have a threesome with two fit blokes she's entitled to do so. Remember, it wasn't the "victim" that accused anyone of rape, it was the police.

I don't think even Ched and Clayton back then saw this woman as an "object to be used", more a lass who was up for it. It's perfectly possible to have a one night stand with a woman without viewing her as an "object"

 

[super_pig]

Suspect he means better intelligence wise.
I think most players improve/ mature over time, however is Cheds body up it?
Does he still have the speed and strength? Probably not.

Agree he spoke well.
The only think he should have done is admit what he did was wrong and he was embarrassed and feels shame.
Let’s not forget, although he’s not guilty and not a criminal, totally deserves to play football at our club or any club
But his behaviour was still really poor and he should have quickly held his hand up about this.

but then he would have been guilty?

 

[itsinyerblood]

Some people also believe that women enjoy sex just as much as men, and if a woman wants to get drunk and have a threesooricalme with two fit blokes she's entitled to do so. Remember, it wasn't the "victim" that accused anyone of rape, it was the police.

I don't think even Ched and Clayton back then saw this woman as an "object to be used", more a lass who was up for it. It's perfectly possible to have a one night stand with a woman without viewing her as an "object"

Although I understand, as well as agree with the overall sentiment of your post, I think it's kind of missed the point. I've no problem with any female having a healthy, even voracious, sexual appetite. As long as what follows is both understood and has mutual agreement then it's the business of those concerned. In this case the murkiness of the events lend themselves to anything but there being an agreement in advance. I haven't used the term 'victim', I think it's inappropriate in this case. What I do think is that 3 people, possibly with little understanding of what could follow, participated in something that had profound consequences on their lives. Given what followed I have no problem with suggesting that the behaviour of the three adults concerned, as well as the unpleasant barrage from those who probably always will see the woman as a 'slag' (not a word I agree with), have contributed to a view that adheres to an almost historical idea that men can behave in whatever way they see fit. Which, of course, is nonsense.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

So he felt terrible for his family and friends for receiving abuse - but no word for the other victim in this case, the girl who didn't even make a complaint against him but ended up being the one having to change her identity and move from her home town after being abused and illegally publicly named by said family and friends?

Now he has been cleared, what exactly is she a ‘victim’ of? She was illegally named because at that time she was indeed the victim of a rape.

Now we know no rape happened, why is she a victim? And of what?

 

[Dkc]

In this case the murkiness of the events lend themselves to anything but there being an agreement in advance. I haven't used the term 'victim', I think it's inappropriate in this case. What I do think is that 3 people, possibly with little understanding of what could follow, participated in something that had profound consequences on their lives. Given what followed I have no problem with suggesting that the behaviour of the three adults concerned, as well as the unpleasant barrage from those who probably always will see the woman as a 'slag' (not a word I agree with), have contributed to a view that adheres to an almost historical idea that men can behave in whatever way they see fit. Which, of course, is nonsense.

Bear in mind that Ched's speedy acquittal followed the presentation of fresh evidence from other men who had had sexual relations with the woman. Ched and Clayton both testified that the woman had offered verbal encouragement to both of them, both before sexual relations occurred and during the act. Ched testified on oath to this in the second trial.

I don't think there is anything murky about what occurred. The woman told the police that she didn't remember anything because she didn't want to say "I went to a hotel to fuck a stranger and when his mate turned up I let him fuck me too" - perfectly understandable on her part to plead a loss of memory instead.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Now he has been cleared, what exactly is she a ‘victim’ of? She was illegally named because at that time she was indeed the victim of a rape.

Now we know no rape happened, why is she a victim? And of what?

Other people's stupidity.
Like the boxer's and unfortunately quite a few of our supporters.

 

[sitwell]

You're suggesting Ennis did it for publicity ? Really? Lol

GREED



That's a new one...we did it to bail the Council out LOL

Why did she agree then ?
If we are looking for role models ,Ennis would be right down my list for my daughter. Millionaire who bans her friends and family from having phones at her wedding in case they take pictures ? Not my favourite person from many things I have heard from people close to her.

 

[Freethinker]

Ambitions to play for Wales and in the Premier League.

Awkward.
Who’s going to tell him?

have you never had goals and ambition why are you so quick to jump on the lads back give him a break I hope he proves you wrong

 

[itsinyerblood]

Bear in mind that Ched's speedy acquittal followed the presentation of fresh evidence from other men who had had sexual relations with the woman. Ched and Clayton both testified that the woman had offered verbal encouragement to both of them, both before sexual relations occurred and during the act. Ched testified on oath to this in the second trial.

I don't think there is anything murky about what occurred. The woman told the police that she didn't remember anything because she didn't want to say "I went to a hotel to fuck a stranger and when his mate turned up I let him fuck me too" - perfectly understandable on her part to plead a loss of memory instead.

Perhaps the use of 'murkiness' suggests something that I hadn't intended to imply. The events that surrounded this incident were, as you describe, something that were entered into by all three adults. With the benefit of hindsight it's far too easy to comment about other people's behaviour, and in this case I suppose I look at the events, attempting to distance myself from perceived or received 'wisdom', and try and understand what happened and why. Was the 'fun' worth it? I doubt anyone concerned would repeat the same behaviour again, but as I say, hindsight is a reassuring thing if you choose not to take an overview of events.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Why did she agree then ?
If we are looking for role models ,Ennis would be right down my list for my daughter. Millionaire who bans her friends and family from having phones at her wedding in case they take pictures ? Not my favourite person from many things I have heard from people close to her.

From humble beginnings in Sheffield went on to become an Olympic and World champion and refused to leave the city when the experts told her she needed to to reach the top.
As Sheffield role models go, not bad.

 

[Paisley Blade]

The timing of this Jim White 'scoop' had absolutely nothing to do with him having a couple of hours to kill following his interview with Anthony Joshua at the EIS that very morning. Oh, and the international break.

No, of course not.