CONFIRMED Che Adams

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Armstrong as been playing in the number 10 role behind Mitrovic in pre-season apparently so he could well fit in to Tuftys 4-2-3-1 formation
 

Cerberus Blade said:
Read up on Article 17 of FIFA rules - the EU commission's response to those and the Webster test case.

Or to save time, the bottom line is this:

EU commission regulations state that all workers have a right to free movement of trade. If you take a job at Fred Bloggs factory next week on a 12 month contract but don't like it you can quit. Simple as that. Ok, so there's compensation to be paid, but an employer cannot force you to work for them. Read up on William Wilberforce for more on that.

In a footballer's case it's a bit more complex as the money involved is considerably more than usual. But it will depend on whether a protected period is written into the contract. This is usually 3 years for players under 28.

Regardless- if a player wants to move then it is entirely possible. It just comes down to money.

In some cases mentioned here - like Cristiano, he wasn't "made" to stay another year. He was offered a lucrative increase to his existing contract to stay another year.

We could find ourselves in that situation with Adams if a bid comes in. But let's get real: if you were Adams and the likes of Newcastle came in for you - would you think it best for your career that you stay or go?

Money talks - and contracts are negotiable.
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Honestly, I think it would be better for his football career to stay as he’ll get game time here. He won’t there. No way he’ll get in front of the likes of Gayle, Mitrovic, Perez etc. Financially however, it would be a very different matter.


Unfortunately, as I’m working, I don’t have time to do the research you suggest. However, I understand that you cannot force people to work for you but I believe that you can stop them working in the same line of work for somebody else whilst they are contracted to you. Some law firms for example have “none-compete” clauses meaning that if you leave, you cannot work for a rival firm for a specified period. Do the rules you refer to prevent this? As far as I’m aware, we own the players’ registration for as long as he’s contracted to us and so he can’t play for another club unless we agree to sell that registration. Is this not correct?
 
Cerberus Blade said:
We could do as you suggest but then we'd be paying wages for a player who isn't contributing to the club, but disaffected in the reserves. A bit like the Pierre Van Heudink situation at Forest some years ago.

Do you think we sold Lee Morris, Jordan Slew, nick Blackman too soon? I agree we have done with some, but not all. It's a gamble, a big gamble actually. How many of the young "starlets" at any club go on to make it big? There are far more that fall by the wayside - and Adams, to me, is far from convincing that he's going to make it at a higher level.

I'd snap someone's hand off for £2m - PROVIDiNG we use it to strengthen THIS team THIS season.
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We most definitely sold Nick Blackman too soon. There’s every chance we would have gone up if we’d kept him. The league was atrocious that year. Losing him, Miller and then Diego (Alright he hasn’t made it but was showing great promise pre-injury) killed our attacking threat. Plus, he’s since been sold for more than double what we sold him for.


Slew and Morris turned out to be good business though I was gutted about Morris going at the time.


But offset that against Walker and we’re back in the red I reckon.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
I would imagine he lived near Coventry rather than commuted as he would need to live near Sheffield
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I think he’d play in a 2 with Sharp but it would mean Sharp would have to do a lot of “back to goal” work meaning we don’t get the best out of him. It would probably also make Clarke less likely as any big man would surely then be plan B (might just use DCL for that role). I’d imagine Done or McNulty would also have to go as we’d have too many small strikers.


It’s kind of similar to when we signed Sharp last season. On one hand, he wasn’t really what we needed but on the other, he was a player too good for the level so we took the imbalance to get a very good player in.



If we could actually get Morsy, Clarke, Armstrong and have cash left over, selling Adams might be a way to go. That said, I just don’t see it happening.
 
The following is herbies post over on BM

Interesting:


"Alan Nixon says Newcastle are 'into Adams in a big way' and that the fee is 'becoming too good to knock back'.

Also just said 'Newcastle trying hardest' in reply to a Wigan fan who asked about him."
 
I wish this deal would be concluded as its clearly going to affect our transfer budget. It's also not good for Che or Wilder's pland using him, but that said these things obviously take some time, although it wouldn't if Newcastle, or whoever, offered what we want but as with the majority of transfers its a case of cat and mouse, guesswork, bluffing, counter bluffing etc. I'm pleased that we've acted professionally throughout all the recent dealings unlike David Flitcroft who ironically accuses us of being unprofessional, and all he does is make himself look unprofessional, but he's clearly not socially aware to know that.

As for Che, we all know he's got so much ability, but I've never really liked his apparent and I say apparent because I don't know him, but apparent lack of drive or determination. That's how he comes across but maybe he is the first in and the last out at training, but from last seasons actions both on and off the pitch he appears to take everything in his stride a bit too much for me. If we get £2m and a decent sell on clause then I'm sure we would all agree as a majority that, that would be good business, providing Wilder's given a sizeable chunk to bring in more players.
 
I'd love Isaac Hayden on loan instead of Adam Armstrong as part of the deal for Che.

Wishful thinking though... couldn't see it happening.
 
United need to play hard ball here, for our own selfish interests. Clubs either pay over the odds or they bugger off entirely. As I've said before, his quality is more important to our dismal squad than it is to any of the squads of his suggested suitors. As has been said two posts above, we need to know where we stand for Che and Wilder's plans.

So United need to come out soon and say NO MORE, he's going nowhere. The more we let it drag on, the more we shoot ourselves in the foot. Murphy goes, not enough time to replace = Woolford. Che emerges from the shadows. Che sold, not enough time to replace = Reed out of position or some no mark on loan from the buying club, = piss promotion up the wall.
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
United need to play hard ball here, for our own selfish interests. Clubs either pay over the odds or they bugger off entirely. As I've said before, his quality is more important to our dismal squad than it is to any of the squads of his suggested suitors. As has been said two posts above, we need to know where we stand for Che and Wilder's plans.

So United need to come out soon and say NO MORE, he's going nowhere. The more we let it drag on, the more we shoot ourselves in the foot. Murphy goes, not enough time to replace = Woolford. Che emerges from the shadows. Che sold, not enough time to replace = Reed out of position or some no mark on loan from the buying club, = piss promotion up the wall.
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The targets CW wants aren't really going to change if / when we sell Che in the short term. He knows the couple he wants and I think he'll get them either way. Money is there for the one's he's after I believe.

Does the manager rate Che is the big question too...
 

Dog Blade said:
The targets CW wants aren't really going to change if / when we sell Che in the short term. He knows the couple he wants and I think he'll get them either way. Money is there for the one's he's after I believe.

Does the manager rate Che is the big question too...
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Interesting thoughts - targets may not be Che-dependent. Get your finger AHHHHTTTT Yoonited.
 
Notice that Adams is not in the squad tonight despite Knill previously saying he would be, may be significant or he could just be in tomorrow's squad instead.
 
SE9 Blade said:
Notice that Adams is not in the squad tonight despite Knill previously saying he would be, may be significant or he could just be in tomorrow's squad instead.
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I noticed that and also Radio Sheffield kept saying he would be playing too tonight. Wish that one would conclude or be stamped out.
 
SE9 Blade said:
Notice that Adams is not in the squad tonight despite Knill previously saying he would be, may be significant or he could just be in tomorrow's squad instead.
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He was at the game tonight, along with George Long, McNulty, Brayford and others, all spectating, Del Geary was also there.
 
If Clarke's definitely signed, I wouldn't be surprised if Che's not there tomorrow night.
 
Wouldn't you think Adams would be in tomorrow nights squad, not tonight?
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
What about a world where Clarke joins AND Che stays and becomes our regular left winger! Ohh, err - crikey. That'd be called ambition wunt it?
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That'd be called stupid if it left us being unable to strengthen in all the other positions. Ambitious would be signing another three good players and keeping Adams. But to be honest I'd struggle to class keeping Adams as ambitious because I think the sort of money we could get for him now outweighs any contribution he can make and also exceeds what we'd be able to get for him in the future.
 
Ricky said:
That'd be called stupid if it left us being unable to strengthen in all the other positions. Ambitious would be signing another three good players and keeping Adams. But to be honest I'd struggle to class keeping Adams as ambitious because I think the sort of money we could get for him now outweighs any contribution he can make and also exceeds what we'd be able to get for him in the future.
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Ricky, I thought it had been muted on here in recent days that incomings and Wilder's leading targets weren't totally dependent upon the sale of Adams. I know forum posters aren't the font of all knowledge on what the budget actually looks like but I do wonder if it is feasible to strengthen and hold on to him. He's raw, inconsistent but if he hit form this season, he could be the difference between promotion or L1 next year. He's the only one who unerringly runs at his man. If he had a stormer of a season amidst regular L1 football, with Hussey or Brayford as his wingback, he's value would increase further.
 

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