Cannon

[Blade56]

It’s clear that Cannon divides opinion. Might as well discuss politics or religion?

He is 22 years old, and he might turn into the next Kieth Edwards. He does nothing, but bags 20 a season in the Top division! Or maybe not!

My view is he’s a Blades player. Nuff said.

Did you see Keith’s Edward’s at 19? I did, trust me he’s no Keith Edward’s

 

[Blade56]

…..to ‘build a team’ around Tom Cannon .

Minecraft version not FIFA

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Get a preseason under his belt and give him a clean slate for next season.

Best thing Cannon can do is get some sort of partnership with the likes of O'Hare, Hamer, Brewster etc (if Brewster stays) over the season, which should make him play better.

Look how Campbell plays with the above 3 mentioned players, they don't even have to look where Campbell wants the ball, they just know, and vice versa.

Take O'Hare's goal against Bristol City in 2nd leg, he knew exactly where Campbell was going to put that ball, and timed his run accordingly, same with Hamer's ball to Campbell in the final, they've got that mental connection which is what Cannon needs to form with them.

On paper, Campbell and Cannon should be an ideal partnership, on their day, they're both capable of creating and scoring goals at this level.

Campbell and O'Hare's understanding of each other was excellent in the play offs. I get why Wilder didn't start them together as he wanted to start his "strongest" team, but I said before the match that I'd rather we'd start with Cannon and Moore and bring on Campbell and O'Hare together for this reason. Starting Campbell and having O'Hare on the bench meant they were never going to play together in the final as it was inevitable that Campbell would go off around 60-65 minutes like he always does. Hopefully they'll play together more next season.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Did you see Keith’s Edward’s at 19? I did, trust me he’s no Keith Edward’s

To be fair, Keith Edwards looked shit when he first got into the team and there was no hint whatsoever of what was to come.

 

[Silent Blade]

To be fair, Keith Edwards looked shit when he first got into the team and there was no hint whatsoever of what was to come.

Scored only 3 goals in more than a year after his debut in the FA Cup tie at Leicester

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

I can’t get my head round the idea that AI came up with a striker that seemingly has no attributes for a striker other than he’s got a very good finish on him.

Fits with my experiences of AI to be fair.

But I still think it's a big fib.

 

[Racing Blade]

Scored only 3 goals in more than a year after his debut in the FA Cup tie at Leicester

In fairness to him, wasn't he part of the Jimmy Sirrell strategy of blooding youngsters into a top flight side that was no longer competitive and looking like setting a record low points total at one point (sounds strangely familiar)?

Edwards soon found his level once we were relegated and began to score for fun, both for us and for Hull, achieving hero status when they were sadly lacking on both counts.

He wasn't a top flight player and would, arguably, have struggled to score, at the highest level, had he had the opportunity.

 

[nopigfansintown]

He creates many chances to be slipt in due to the quality of his movement which is of a very high standard. He needs feeding with balls on the shoulder or across the box, preferably on the ground. I imagine after a few goals his confidence will grow.

His all round game leaves a lot to be desired; physically it looks like it will be difficult to amend that even if you'd expect it to improve given his age. Overall he's a very strange player for United to have with us usually prioritising physicality, and what a striker can do without the ball and deeper in the build ups. I'm intrigued.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Campbell and O'Hare's understanding of each other was excellent in the play offs. I get why Wilder didn't start them together as he wanted to start his "strongest" team, but I said before the match that I'd rather we'd start with Cannon and Moore and bring on Campbell and O'Hare together for this reason. Starting Campbell and having O'Hare on the bench meant they were never going to play together in the final as it was inevitable that Campbell would go off around 60-65 minutes like he always does. Hopefully they'll play together more next season.

It was a massive error of judgement starting our only two players capable of holding and linking the play in a potentially 130 minute plus game. Especially when we know the fitness issues concerning both of them. It was maybe the decisive decision within our control.

Of course I wouldn't be saying that if VAR didn't intervene, Brooks had dinked his chance, their keeper hadn't pulled off that save etc etc

 

[Blade56]

Listening to an interesting piece on TalkSport yesterday around 2:30. They were talking about transfer prices and in particular for strikers.

Concencous was there’s no bargains anymore and the values have become massively inflated. Grealish was £100m and a flop, Mbeno going to Manure for £71m, Gyorcars to Arsenal for £63m, Mdueke to Arsenal for £53m.

But where are the bargain strikers? £10m for Cannon doesn’t look out of balance with an out of balance market.

Let’s hope this is his season.

No appologies for spelling of players names, as a dxlixyc person I struggle with Mr Gellye

 

[paidsy]

I think Cannon will end up being plenty more value than the Brewster and Callum Robinson/Oli Burke transfers

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Reckon most of us would fetch at least 2.5m if we were footballers

 

[mattbianco1]

Forgot he was Scouse

 

[blade too long]

KEITH EDWARDS goals were nearly all in the bottom 2 divisions,,

Cannons scored his in the championship

 

[Bladesthorpe]

KEITH EDWARDS goals were nearly all in the bottom 2 divisions,,

Cannons scored his in the championship

Are you seriously comparing Cannon to Edwards ? Lada to Porsche.

 

[blade too long]

Are you seriously comparing Cannon to Edwards ? Lada to Porsche.

edwards is an all time hero but the fact remains most of his achievements were in div 3 and 4, fact
Hanson who we got from Bradford was amazing in div 3, but wasn't much of a threat in the championship
comparisons can only be made at the same level,

 

[Teddybear]

i think theres a player in there its make or break for him good luck utb

 

[Blade1959]

KEITH EDWARDS goals were nearly all in the bottom 2 divisions,,

Cannons scored his in the championship

Edwards scored 62 goals in 123 2nd tier games for us, so hardly “ nearly all “ were in the bottom 2 divisions.

 

[blade too long]

Edwards scored 62 goals in 123 2nd tier games for us, so hardly “ nearly all “ were in the bottom 2 divisions.

but like billy sharp he didnt start off being prolific ,, just give cannon a chance to settle in

 

[Blade1959]

but like billy sharp he didnt start off being prolific ,, just give cannon a chance to settle in

I was just responding to your comment about Edwards which wasn’t correct. Obviously I hope Cannon does settle in and score plenty of goals.

 

[Blade56]

Edwards scored 62 goals in 123 2nd tier games for us, so hardly “ nearly all “ were in the bottom 2 divisions.

Don’t think ythe lads been played right in the two clubs he’s been at. Hopefully Sellés Blades way of playing players to their strengths and not square in rounds will bring out the player in him.

 

[The Crab]

Listening to an interesting piece on TalkSport yesterday around 2:30. They were talking about transfer prices and in particular for strikers.

Concencous was there’s no bargains anymore and the values have become massively inflated. Grealish was £100m and a flop, Mbeno going to Manure for £71m, Gyorcars to Arsenal for £63m, Mdueke to Arsenal for £53m.

But where are the bargain strikers? £10m for Cannon doesn’t look out of balance with an out of balance market.

Let’s hope this is his season.

No appologies for spelling of players names, as a dxlixyc person I struggle with Mr Gellye

I thought Gyocars was chancers new taxi firm…

 

[The Crab]

Are you seriously comparing Cannon to Edwards ? Lada to Porsche.

Not had his meds today clearly…

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Shame Billy isn’t here to help mentor Cannon. Feel like they have some similarities in their games. No ‘stand out’ traits and there to be a finisher / goal scorer.

Cannon maybe more ‘physical’ talent (taller probably quicker) but billy deffo has the mental edge and knew how to play the role. Fingers crossed Selles can get something out of Cannon - c15 goals each from him and Campbell would go a long way to a successful season. Couple of assists and a goal in the friendlies is a positive start - allowing for the level.

 

[bruce]

KEITH EDWARDS goals were nearly all in the bottom 2 divisions,,

Cannons scored his in the championship

Edwards scored 62 league goals for us in the second division. That was in a total of 123 starting appearances. He also made 8 substitute appearances.
That is a strike rate of 50% on starting appearances and just over 47% if you include substitute appearances.
He also made 55 league starts for Hull in the second division, scoring 29 goals. A strike rate of nearly 53%. I don't know how many substitute appearances he made for Hull.
So, in total for both clubs he made 178 starting appearances in the second division and scored 91 goals. This was across 6 seasons and in most of those seasons he was playing in a struggling side.
That is not a small sample size and clearly shows he was a very effective striker in the second division.
His strike rate was not as prolific as in divisions 3 and 4 , but was still pretty impressive and suggests to me that he could have cut it in the first division.
His strike rate in the second division is better than Cannon's and he has made far more second division appearances than Cannon.

 

[blade too long]

Edwards scored 62 league goals for us in the second division. That was in a total of 123 starting appearances. He also made 8 substitute appearances.
That is a strike rate of 50% on starting appearances and just over 47% if you include substitute appearances.
He also made 55 league starts for Hull in the second division, scoring 29 goals. A strike rate of nearly 53%. I don't know how many substitute appearances he made for Hull.
So, in total for both clubs he made 178 starting appearances in the second division and scored 91 goals. This was across 6 seasons and in most of those seasons he was playing in a struggling side.
That is not a small sample size and clearly shows he was a very effective striker in the second division.
His strike rate was not as prolific as in divisions 3 and 4 , but was still pretty impressive and suggests to me that he could have cut it in the first division.
His strike rate in the second division is better than Cannon's and he has made far more second division appearances than Cannon.

But he got better after a quiet start in div 4 scoring 34 or so and another 30 plus the following season which greatly improved his numbers

 

[bruce]

But he got better after a quiet start in div 4 scoring 34 or so and another 30 plus the following season which greatly improved his numbers

The numbers I have quoted are all second division numbers. 33 of his goals came in 61 appearances in the 76-77 and 77-78 seasons. That was before he ever made a third or fourth division appearance and was in a pretty poor team.
If you include his third and fourth division numbers his strike rate is higher.

 

[Blade1959]

Edwards for United 2nd tier
76/77. 18
77/78. 11
84/85. 13
85/86. 20
League goals

 

[bruce]

The numbers I have quoted are all second division numbers. 33 of his goals came in 61 appearances in the 76-77 and 77-78 seasons. That was before he ever made a third or fourth division appearance and was in a pretty poor team.
If you include his third and fourth division numbers his strike rate is higher.

Sorry, that should read 29 of his second division goals came in 62 appearances in 76-77 and 77-78.
The 33 goals came in 61 appearances in the 84-85 and 85-86 second division seasons.
Either way, he has scored far more second division goals than Cannon.

 

[wak1889]

but like billy sharp he didnt start off being prolific ,, just give cannon a chance to settle in

Billy Sharp wasn't that prolific for us, he may have been at other clubs but he only actually had 2 maybe 3 seasons where you could say he was prolific for us , the league 1 and championship promotion seasons, rest of the time his scoring record was average at best, he played over 15 seasons in the championship in his career at various clubs, scored more than 20 in a season at championship level once