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[FATTYFOULKE]

From memory the total cost including the South Stand extension was £27m, with £17m being allocated for the South Stand. So presumably about £10m for the kop plus inflation since the plans were announced.

Which btw makes even more a mockery of the figures Strafford plucked out of thin air to virtually rebuild Hillsborough for the WC bid, £23m for the lot. Money he hadn't got and totally reliant on hoped for grants, whereas McCabe stated at the time he would personally fund Bramall Lane.

If your about to infer the money should be spent on players if such a sum were available, don't bother. Totally different financial funding regulations apply. Spending money on the ground doesn't neccasarily mean investment in the team would be adversely affected.

 

[ghandi]

I've voted No " I'm not worried about Bolton entering into administration."

Kin hell. I don't give a flying one either way but until I read your post I didn't realise this thread had a poll

 

[ghandi]

How much do you reckon it would cost then?

Need vorpal blade input here as the man who designed a John St Stand which incoporated the Kop corner in an aesthetcally pleasing manner which was rejected by McCabe for the cheaper nastier version we currently have.

 

[SteveBlade]

Bolton backwards is Notlob and Noblot is also an anagram.

 

[BerksBlade]

HMMMM. Dysfunctional club run badly and beyond its means as it tried to keep up the the big boys, lies to its loyal suppliers and then reneges on its debts, while its supporters hail and approve the deal and re-write their clubs vile behaviour within days, convincing themselves that it was all a masterstroke of business acumen that their debt was cleared and not because innocent parties were left owing £millions.
Yes, I think I've seen it all before.

Leicester for example. I'm guessing the team you're thinking of are a bit close to Bramall Lane though?

 

[YES Blade]

Burnden Park probably had it's fair share of rust but is widely considered to be better than its modern counterpart by those who have visited both. Older grounds have character which the vast majority of new-build grounds fail to capture, and are usually a bit better located. The Hillsborough comparison is a tricky one because we're always going to slate it because of what it is, and also because it has an unfathomably ugly away end even if you take the red specs off.

Regarding the Kop, I'd love to see us start from scratch with it too, but it'd simply be too expensive. They'll just plonk a new cantilever roof and some new bogs in and call it a day.

I appreciate what you are saying with regards to character but clubs and football in general have to move with the times.

I never went to Burnden Park, but having been to the likes of the Dell and Ninan Park, there is no way those shit holes are better than the stadiums that replaced them.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Any idea whether it might be on for the close season if we get promoted?

Wouldn't make sense to wait till we're in the Prem to do it as we'd have to temp reduce capacity.

Plus since the plans were put forward McCabe has the back up of the Prince and several lucrative business deals have gone his way.

I remember McCabe saying that there would be only a temporary affect in capacity.

Apparently some work can be done to the back of the Kop with the current Kop at 100% capacity.
Then they would wait until the Summer to join the back of the Kop to the new structure.

I'm sure they said for a few months whilst the season has started they would close down the back of the Kop.
I reckon capacity would reduce from 32,700 to about 25K for a few months only.

There's no doubting the Kop will be done at some point.
I wonder if the club are waiting on developments regards safe standing.
Apparently Spurs and Chelse are both keen to incorporate it in their new grounds.
Safe standing was discussed at last weeks PL directors meeting and they agreed that it
is something to discuss in more detail at a future meeting.

 

[JJ Sefton]

I wonder if the club are waiting on developments regards safe standing.

Probably waiting till we're not in Division Three.

 

[blade too long]

with mccabes chinese quarter refreshing that area it would benefit the club to do the proposed office venture in the corner of the new kop asap
I believe as soon as we are promoted it will be set in motion

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

From memory the total cost including the South Stand extension was £27m, with £17m being allocated for the South Stand. So presumably about £10m for the kop plus inflation since the plans were announced.

Which btw makes even more a mockery of the figures Strafford plucked out of thin air to virtually rebuild Hillsborough for the WC bid, £23m for the lot. Money he hadn't got and totally reliant on hoped for grants, whereas McCabe stated at the time he would personally fund Bramall Lane.

If your about to infer the money should be spent on players if such a sum were available, don't bother. Totally different financial funding regulations apply. Spending money on the ground doesn't neccasarily mean investment in the team would be adversely affected.

As soon as possible.....

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yorkshire/blades-to-kickstart-bramall-lane-redevelopment

 

[TJB.]

'taking capacity up to 37,000'

Does anybody think we really need 37k seats? I know it was a fucker to get a ticket when we were in the Premier League, but we're light years from a return to that.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

'taking capacity up to 37,000'

Does anybody think we really need 37k seats? I know it was a fucker to get a ticket when we were in the Premier League, but we're light years from a return to that.

I've said this since the first season we came down to this God-forsaken league; if we're going to do it at all, might as well do it now. It makes no-sense to do it when we might actually need those extra seats.

 

[blade too long]

As soon as possible.....

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yorkshire/blades-to-kickstart-bramall-lane-redevelopment

and viable ie back in the championship

 

[blade too long]

'taking capacity up to 37,000'

Does anybody think we really need 37k seats? I know it was a fucker to get a ticket when we were in the Premier League, but we're light years from a return to that.

actually its possible in 20 months
saints went straight through

 

[Bartyblade]

I've said this since the first season we came down to this God-forsaken league; if we're going to do it at all, might as well do it now. It makes no-sense to do it when we might actually need those extra seats.

And if I read London Rd's link correctly, the seats and Kop extension are added BECAUSE of the Enterprise Centre and infrastructure rather than vice-versa, so the benefit from the buildings will accrue (hopefully!) whether the seats are filled or not.
If we find success on the pitch and manageto sell the seats - double bubble!

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

They've got The Washing Machine on a salary of about £10k pw. They deserve to go to the wall for that one fact alone.

 

[Bartyblade]

It seemsfrom London Rd Blades link, that the Enterprise Centre is the main driver behind this re-development, the seats are an added extra.
If the club gets benefit from the Centre (?), it's not esssential to fill the seats.
If we do find succcess on the pitch, filling the seats as well willbe a bonus

 

[TJB.]

actually its possible in 20 months
saints went straight through

Of course it's possible, but it's not likely. Back to back promotions from the third to first division are rare.

Soton did it 4 years ago. The division has changed a hell of a lot since then. Way more cash.

 

[Bartyblade]

It seemsfrom London Rd Blades link, that the Enterprise Centre is the main driver behind this re-development, the seats are an added extra.
If the club gets benefit from the Centre (?), it's not esssential to fill the seats.
If we do find succcess on the pitch, filling the seats as well willbe a bonus

Bloody websiteediting function

 

[blade too long]

Of course it's possible, but it's not likely. Back to back promotions from the third to first division are rare.

Soton did it 4 years ago. The division has changed a hell of a lot since then. Way more cash.

norwich did it too
brighton only just failed

and just in case youve forgotten
weve already done it once with chris wilder, ex boss bassett

 

[GuangzhouBlade]

'taking capacity up to 37,000'

Does anybody think we really need 37k seats? I know it was a fucker to get a ticket when we were in the Premier League, but we're light years from a return to that.

I often think what would happen if we expanded to 50k and season tickets were £80 (Dortmund type model). would we get 40,000 season ticket holders or is the supporter base just not big enough without or even with premier league football. Or would you get 40,000 season ticket holders but 25,000 turning up as people pick their matches without caring about money like at Bratfud.

 

[TJB.]

norwich did it too
brighton only just failed

and just in case youve forgotten
weve already done it once with chris wilder, ex boss bassett

So we're at a grand total of two now and we're going even further back in time...

I'm not ruling it out altogether, but it is rare, and the gap in money and squad quality between the two divisions gets wider every year.

 

[Sheffsteel]

'taking capacity up to 37,000'

Does anybody think we really need 37k seats? I know it was a fucker to get a ticket when we were in the Premier League, but we're light years from a return to that.

In the PL we had sellouts (ignoring restricted view tickets) at 50% of our games
And that's with away fans being restricted to only 2,990 tickets.

Another factor is although official capacity might be 37,000.

No doubt, thanks to the ultra cautious South Yorkshire Police ordering the club to net off
1000's of seats when we give away fans extra seats in the upper tier
the real life effective capacity will be nearer 35,000

 

[blade too long]

In the PL we had sellouts (ignoring restricted view tickets) at 50% of our games
And that's with away fans being restricted to only 2,990 tickets.

Another factor is although official capacity might be 37,000.

No doubt, thanks to the ultra cautious South Yorkshire Police ordering the club to net off
1000's of seats when we give away fans extra seats in the upper tier
the real life effective capacity will be nearer 35,000

if the kop is extended we can offer the bramall lane upper deck to away fans
There are approximately 2,700 seats in the upper tier, and 2,990 in the lower, giving a total capacity of 5,680. we could offer 5000 and use 680 empty near the westfield corner as a buffer
we still get 32000 ish

 

[Tyler Durden]

Needlessly "upgrading" a perfectly good football ground should be at the very bottom of our list of priorities right now.

 

[Rodley]

I've said this since the first season we came down to this God-forsaken league; if we're going to do it at all, might as well do it now. It makes no-sense to do it when we might actually need those extra seats.

Do it when we're in the Prem and gate receipts are insignificant compared to TV money.

 

[BushBlade]

Needlessly "upgrading" a perfectly good football ground should be at the very bottom of our list of priorities right now.

Absolutely agree but if the development underneath 'pays for it' then there is some logic in it. But I'd like to see the figures. I hope it doesn't land us with a debt to pay off over the next ten years.
There's a fair chance we could have a Ricoh scenario where we're stuck in the championship getting no more than 25k crowds in a 37k stadium.

 

[Rodley]

Absolutely agree but if the development underneath 'pays for it' then there is some logic in it. But I'd like to see the figures. I hope it doesn't land us with a debt to pay off over the next ten years.
There's a fair chance we could have a Ricoh scenario where we're stuck in the championship getting no more than 25k crowds in a 37k stadium.

Agree, suspect being established in the Prem with be a condition of any significant increases in capacity. Retrofitting part of the existing Kop with Safe standing might be easier.

 

[TJB.]

Retrofitting part of the existing Kop with Safe standing might be easier.

I do wonder what the rules would be around installing safe standing seats but just having the seats down? If there's a change in the rules, the seats can go up and it's proper safe standing. If it doesn't there's still a seat there to sit in, so no rule is broken

 

[JohnDenver]

Needlessly "upgrading" a perfectly good football ground should be at the very bottom of our list of priorities right now.

The Kop is sub standard so there's a case for carrying this out when we're back in the Championship. Rail seats and improving the rake of the stand would be something to make everyone happy.