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[bornablade]

Absolutely agree but if the development underneath 'pays for it' then there is some logic in it. But I'd like to see the figures. I hope it doesn't land us with a debt to pay off over the next ten years.
There's a fair chance we could have a Ricoh scenario where we're stuck in the championship getting no more than 25k crowds in a 37k stadium.

Agree.The off field activities created by the development need to support the rebuilding of the Kop.

It may sound far fetched but I can just see us in the future a whisker away from qualifying for Europe but we've made the huge decision to develop the ground. To pay for the development we need to sell our best player for a song and we find ourselves relegated the following season. With worse to come. Much worse.

Well I did say it sounded far fetched!

 

[BushBlade]

Agree.The off field activities created by the development need to support the rebuilding of the Kop.

It may sound far fetched but I can just see us in the future a whisker away from qualifying for Europe but we've made the huge decision to develop the ground. To pay for the development we need to sell our best player for a song and we find ourselves relegated the following season. With worse to come. Much worse.

Well I did say it sounded far fetched!

It's OK, we'll just get the aliens to build it using their spaceship.

 

[TJB.]

The Kop is sub standard so there's a case for carrying this out when we're back in the Championship. Rail seats and improving the rake of the stand would be something to make everyone happy.

I really would love to see a much, much steeper Kop. Shame it won't happen.

Steeper stand might mean a few more offices on the back, Mr. McCabe...have a think, yeah?

 

[Revolution]

The Kop is sub standard so there's a case for carrying this out when we're back in the Championship. Rail seats and improving the rake of the stand would be something to make everyone happy.

There is no case for it unless we stay up. And that takes money. Id prefer us to learn the lessons from before and focus on the team if we go up.

 

[Sheffsteel]

There is no case for it unless we stay up. And that takes money. Id prefer us to learn the lessons from before and focus on the team if we go up.

I think the stadium capacity increase is a bit of a red herring.

McCabe is a property developer and hates to see land stood still doing nothing.
United have a lot of usused land behind the Kop
So McCabe wants to invest and bring in an income from that land.

Increasing capacity is just a consequence of his development plans and not the main thrust.
The Kop needs improving anyway, so it makes sense to increase the size whilst doing the renovations.

 

[Revolution]

I think the stadium capacity increase is a bit of a red herring.

McCabe is a property developer and hates to see land stood still doing nothing.
United have a lot of usused land behind the Kop
So McCabe wants to invest and bring in an income from that land.

Increasing capacity is just a consequence of his development plans and not the main thrust.

One of the reasons we are where we are is the focus drifted away from the team the last time we were in the Prem. McCabe would do well to remember that.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

One of the reasons we are where we are is the focus drifted away from the team the last time we were in the Prem. McCabe would do well to remember that.

Unfortunately the "lost focus" to which you refer was that belonging to a fuckwitted manager who was too wrapped up in visiting big fuck off grounds and signing players for the future and not the immediate need. And Luton fucking Shelton.

 

[JohnDenver]

There is no case for it unless we stay up. And that takes money. Id prefer us to learn the lessons from before and focus on the team if we go up.

Agreed insofar as the theory goes, but I've never quite got why building work can be such a distraction to clubs.

If clubs can't find the money without gambling with the playing side then they're incredibly foolish. We got burned in the 1970s but hope we're wiser now.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I often think what would happen if we expanded to 50k and season tickets were £80 (Dortmund type model). would we get 40,000 season ticket holders or is the supporter base just not big enough without or even with premier league football. Or would you get 40,000 season ticket holders but 25,000 turning up as people pick their matches without caring about money like at Bratfud.

If season tickets were £80 i'd buy one even if i only made 5 games a season.

 

[blade too long]

back to bolton
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news...dministration_if_not_bought_in_next_48_hours/

ooh this hurts
The sale of offices at the Macron Stadium has raised £4m, which has been used to pay staff costs last month
wigan want to buy their training ground
they wont have anything left to sell soon

 

[frank drebin]

back to bolton
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news...dministration_if_not_bought_in_next_48_hours/

ooh this hurts
The sale of offices at the Macron Stadium has raised £4m, which has been used to pay staff costs last month
wigan want to buy their training ground
they wont have anything left to sell soon

That story is from the 11th of January

 

[blade too long]

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news..._administration_after_share_deal_is_brokered/

 

[Booker4]

Don't know about anyone else but I'm glued to any news re Bolton Wanderers potential take over and obviously I want them to go into administration. Sorry if that sounds a bit cruel but at the end of the day, them getting 109 points docked would be a huge bonus. It seems the deal still isn't done yet. Hers's one of the latest articles, and according to Anderson, it should be done next week.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wanderers/14937820.whites_avoid_wage_woes/


http://lionofviennasuite.sbnation.c...when-theyre-not-even-the-biggest-in-sheffield

On a side note I read this article, above, from a Wednesday fan about us, sorry Bolton! Is this the most biased account of the two Sheffield clubs ever! The bit about Wednesday averaging 22,000 and us on 18,800 as an average over the last five years means that Wednesday have a bigger fan base apparently! No mention that Wednesday have been in the Championship for that time and us in League One, but maybe that plays no part as far as this idiot Bolton fan is concerned. Away fan averages in League One are particularly low in comparison to the Championship.

Apparently we also have a crapper stadium too than the Pigs as the Lane looks old and only holds 32,700 compared to Wednesday's stadium of just short of 40,000 even though they can never achieve any more than 36,000 due to segregation issues.The article is just unbelievable and if anyone thinks poor Bolton for overspending and its not fair on their fans with administration than read this article below and then decide!

 

[Bladesway]

I really would love to see a much, much steeper Kop. Shame it won't happen.

Steeper stand might mean a few more offices on the back, Mr. McCabe...have a think, yeah?

Because there aren't enough empty ones in Sheffield already?

 

[blade too long]

Unfortunately the "lost focus" to which you refer was that belonging to a fuckwitted manager who was too wrapped up in visiting big fuck off grounds and signing players for the future and not the immediate need. And Luton fucking Shelton.

and some Egyptian tuareg rug seller

 

[BushBlade]

Don't know about anyone else but I'm glued to any news re Bolton Wanderers potential take over and obviously I want them to go into administration. Sorry if that sounds a bit cruel but at the end of the day, them getting 109 points docked would be a huge bonus. It seems the deal still isn't done yet. Hers's one of the latest articles, and according to Anderson, it should be done next week.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wanderers/14937820.whites_avoid_wage_woes/


http://lionofviennasuite.sbnation.c...when-theyre-not-even-the-biggest-in-sheffield

On a side note I read this article, above, from a Wednesday fan about us, sorry Bolton! Is this the most biased account of the two Sheffield clubs ever! The bit about Wednesday averaging 22,000 and us on 18,800 as an average over the last five years means that Wednesday have a bigger fan base apparently! No mention that Wednesday have been in the Championship for that time and us in League One, but maybe that plays no part as far as this idiot Bolton fan is concerned. Away fan averages in League One are particularly low in comparison to the Championship.

Apparently we also have a crapper stadium too than the Pigs as the Lane looks old and only holds 32,700 compared to Wednesday's stadium of just short of 40,000 even though they can never achieve any more than 36,000 due to segregation issues.The article is just unbelievable and if anyone thinks poor Bolton for overspending and its not fair on their fans with administration than read this article below and then decide!

I'm not even going to list what's wrong with that article but I'm annoyed because I broke my 'no clickbait' rule. It's just the usual 'controversial' shit designed to get as many hits as possible.

 

[bath_blade]

Is this the most biased account of the two Sheffield clubs ever!

Of course, we all go round claiming to be 'massive' .... oh wait - that's them from South Barnsley. No doubt we're the biggest club in League 1 - but wtf does that have to do with anything? We've not been good enough to get promotion.

Taking the logic he uses of crowds - this season the Blades are getting crowds of 19-20k, Bolton are getting 12-13k. This being their first season in League 1 - I would expect their crowds to be higher than if they'd been here a while unlike us which will be lower because we have been here for years.

If we're a small club ... what does that make Bolton? He certainly has not thought his argument through. But then he is from Bolton ... bless.

 

[Roygbiv]

The crowds argument is ridiculous. Hes narrowed down to the 5 years they have been above us. Take the averages for the 5 years before that when were above them and you'll see , shock horror, we got more than them season after season

The ground thing is subjective but saying our ground looks old then praising a stadium that hasn't had anything done to it since 1996 is a moronic road to go down

Even if Wednesday are bigger than us then what does that have to do with anything? Can only one club per city be big? Are Everton and Man City small clubs?

He's either a poor troll desperate to get hits or a bit simple unfortunately

 

[frank drebin]

It seems like he just wants to have a snide dig at us so wrote this shit

Who gives a fuck ?
Some real declining standards in local sports journalism lately

 

[Snowman]

I'm more interested in the fact that Trevor Birch is doing the negotiating again and Jonathan Disley is in the background. Will football never learn?

 

[Roygbiv]

There is a comment below from a Wednesday


"Historically, Wednesday have always been the bigger club. For the last two seasons there has been a policy, at united, to give hundreds of free tickets to schools, youth clubs and other organisations. This artificially inflates the attendances. There is also a scam where adults get in on kids tickets through the automatic turnstiles.
At best, united are a slightly bigger fish in an ever increasingly small pond."

I imagine this latest conspiracy stems from North Korea Talk

 

[diplomat]

And if I read London Rd's link correctly, the seats and Kop extension are added BECAUSE of the Enterprise Centre and infrastructure rather than vice-versa, so the benefit from the buildings will accrue (hopefully!) whether the seats are filled or not.
If we find success on the pitch and manageto sell the seats - double bubble!

Will the club see any benefit from the enterprise centre or will it be hived off to the family like the other one?

 

[Bladesway]

It seems like he just wants to have a snide dig at us so wrote this shit

Who gives a fuck ?
Some real declining standards in local sports journalism lately

Yep, that's what happens when you let internet hits dictate what you write rather than actual old fashioned integrity. Sad when newspapers are worse than Internet forums.

 

[Bladesway]

There is a comment below from a Wednesday


"Historically, Wednesday have always been the bigger club. For the last two seasons there has been a policy, at united, to give hundreds of free tickets to schools, youth clubs and other organisations. This artificially inflates the attendances. There is also a scam where adults get in on kids tickets through the automatic turnstiles.
At best, united are a slightly bigger fish in an ever increasingly small pond."

I imagine this latest conspiracy stems from North Korea Talk

Frankly Roy does anyone give a shit though? They can be bigger, they can be better but they will never be us. We are unique and some stain from Bolton can say what he wants, but I bet you he'd rather see his team play in front of 20k in a city centre ground that is part of footballing heritage than the soulless, out of town concrete bowl that they play in.

 

[diplomat]

I'm more interested in the fact that Trevor Birch is doing the negotiating again and Jonathan Disley is in the background. Will football never learn?

Trevor Birch is like a horseman of the apocalypse if he shows up at your club.

I'd love to see some of the deals he expertly signed off while he was here.

 

[Roygbiv]

Frankly Roy does anyone give a shit though? They can be bigger, they can be better but they will never be us. We are unique and some stain from Bolton can say what he wants, but I bet you he'd rather see his team play in front of 20k in a city centre ground that is part of footballing heritage than the soulless, out of town concrete bowl that they play in.

Amen.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Trevor Birch is like a horseman of the apocalypse if he shows up at your club.

I'd love to see some of the deals he expertly signed off while he was here.

It's not Trevor Birch that Bolton should be worried about . With the proposed consortium Bolton have serious issues and could be asset stripped big time . Being mercenary this is doing us a favour with a competitor , but for football.a disaster . How the fuck do they get involved when a system of due diligence should take place.

In a way , count our blessings with McCabe . The bloke has made some horrendous shit decisions , but has the interest of the club at heart

Bolton on there way out.

UTB

 

[diplomat]

There is a comment below from a Wednesday


"Historically, Wednesday have always been the bigger club. For the last two seasons there has been a policy, at united, to give hundreds of free tickets to schools, youth clubs and other organisations. This artificially inflates the attendances. There is also a scam where adults get in on kids tickets through the automatic turnstiles.
At best, united are a slightly bigger fish in an ever increasingly small pond."

I imagine this latest conspiracy stems from North Korea Talk

They often bleat on about us giving kids tickets away. So we should too, if we have space we should do as much as we can to encourage the next generation and also to foster community links. I'm sure they do it too. If they don't then they are more of a shitty club than I thought.

Either way it's not enough to impact attendance.

Although if I don't attend, does anyone know if my season ticket is counted ?

 

[Bladesman]

They often bleat on about us giving kids tickets away. So we should too, if we have space we should do as much as we can to encourage the next generation and also to foster community links. I'm sure they do it too. If they don't then they are more of a shitty club than I thought.

Either way it's not enough to impact attendance.

Although if I don't attend, does anyone know if my season ticket is counted ?

They used to do it.

Now they don't let anyone in for under 40 quid. Although they have not started fleecing under 18 year olds yet.

 

[zablade]

In a way , count our blessings with McCabe . The bloke has made some horrendous shit decisions , but has the interest of the club at heart

Bolton on there way out.

UTB

I will now start to count our blessings with McCabe..

Go..

1. He's a Blade.

That's it.