Bogle - Attacking Midfielder?

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

A discussion point which I've had recently with a couple of peeps that seems to pick up pace the more you think about it.

He has all the tools to play that role (speed, agility, skill, shooting, energy) and we're about to have a Sander Berge shaped hole in that position. Guess the onus is on him Heckinbottom to make that move. Would certainly be a big and bold step, but could kick his career on to the next level.

Plus under the heading of getting our best players on the pitch, seems an utter waste to have him or Baldock not on the pitch.

It's been done before - I remember Guardiola turning Lahm into a centre mid at Bayern.

Him and Ndiaye behind Brewster is a mouth watering attacking line up!

 

[Harry's Game]

I think he looked excellent at RWB and in our formation, particularly in the way Hecky plays it, that is the role I would like to see him back at.

Main thing we have to concern ourselves with is getting him fully fit and in the team. The number of people I have seen online who seem to be operating under the misconception that he’s going to be available for the start of the season makes me shake my head, he’s had a major knee operation after an injury not dissimilar to JOC’s

if we get him back anytime before the World Cup break next season is a bonus.

 

[Yogi]

A discussion point which I've had recently with a couple of peeps that seems to pick up pace the more you think about it.

He has all the tools to play that role (speed, agility, skill, shooting, energy) and we're about to have a Sander Berge shaped hole in that position. Guess the onus is on him Heckinbottom to make that move. Would certainly be a big and bold step, but could kick his career on to the next level.

Plus under the heading of getting our best players on the pitch, seems an utter waste to have him or Baldock not on the pitch.

It's been done before - I remember Guardiola turning Lahm into a centre mid at Bayern.

Him and Ndiaye behind Brewster is a mouth watering attacking line up!

I believe he played at the top of the pitch as a kid at Swindon before Derby brought him in and made him a rightback and you can see it in his quick feet and eye for goal. It’s a possibility I’d like to see him at RB still as he’s one of the best in league but if needs must it could work.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I believe he played at the top of the pitch as a kid at Swindon before Derby brought him in and made him a rightback and you can see it in his quick feet and eye for goal. It’s a possibility I’d like to see him at RB still as he’s one of the best in league but if needs must it could work.

How do you know his injury is similar to Jock's ACL Injury ?

 

[Yogi]

How do you know his injury is similar to Jock's ACL Injury ?

Huh ? I don’t know anything about his injury Finlay.

 

[NuddysGloves]

If he was good enough to play as an attacking midfielder then he wouldn't have been put in defence.

 

[finlaytheblade]

How do you know his injury is similar to Jock's ACL Injury ?

Meant for Harry 's game sorry Yogi!

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Just leave him where he is, I don’t understand why people are trying to shoehorn him into various roles.

Look at TAA - Southgate thought he’d be a good CDM because of his passing ability but it didn’t work.

Bogle is better than Baldock, it’s probably Baldock we need to be looking at playing a different position unless he plays every game like the second half vs Forest.

 

[Bladeloyal]

How do you know his injury is similar to Jock's ACL Injury ?

Don't think joc,s was a ACL ,he would be back on the grass by now

 

[bladesmanluke]

Yes he's got the ability, but in our system we need wingbacks with attacking quality and he has it in spades. If he stays fit and we can get something nearly as good on the left we'll be laughing next season.

There's no point moving him. Wingback is a key position for us

 

[brownblade]

Bogle might not be comfortable in the middle where you need eyes in the back of your head etc. RWB looked perfect to be honest, but I understand that he does have some of the skills for a more attacking role.

 

[Wards]

As others have said, leave him where he is. If we want a player for a more attacking role then bloody sign one!

 

[1889]

Don't think joc,s was a ACL ,he would be back on the grass by now

Really? ‘Back on the grass’?

That is embarrassing, is that how you speak? Normal people shouldn’t talk in Wilder’isms

‘Back on the grass’ ‘In the building’, fuckoff you pretentious twats…..

 

[BushBlade]

Really? ‘Back on the grass’?

That is embarrassing, is that how you speak? Normal people shouldn’t talk in Wilder’isms

‘Back on the grass’ ‘In the building’, fuckoff you pretentious twats…..

You think Wilder invented those phrases? He’s Chris Wilder, championship manager who looks shorter than he is, not Oscar Wilde.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Really? ‘Back on the grass’?

That is embarrassing, is that how you speak? Normal people shouldn’t talk in Wilder’isms

‘Back on the grass’ ‘In the building’, fuckoff you pretentious twats…..

1889 on the boggy training pitch then ,just for you

 

[Houston_Blade]

It’s not academy football or Champ Manager, in grown up football it’s better to leave your best RWB at RWB.

 

[Balham]

Part of what makes Bogle great is that he's running into space from deep, attacking an isolated opponent or arriving late into the box and all of those are compromised if he's playing further forward. It may be that he has other skills which would make him successful in that right-sided attacking role but that's a risk.

 

[Sheff de party]

We could do that.

Or if we’re selling someone who would attract a double figure fee in Berge, we could just sign an attacking midfielder.

 

[Berlin Blade]

He MUST stay where he is. He has his assigned position, and it would be insane to try anything different when he is so close to retirement. Forget his attributes and his strengths/weaknesses. It says ‘RB’ next to his name so he will play right back forever.

I’m glad Wilder never moved career central midfielder Chris basham to a custom role, which combined the right back, centre half and central midfield positions. It would have never worked.

But yes. I do think it would be beneficial to maybe play him on the right side of a midfield 3 if Hecky is committed to the ‘flat 3’ system. I would like to see him there, with Basham at RCB and Baldock at RWB making a really solid, creative triangle on the right side of the pitch. With those three linking up down that right, when two go, one stays and all making runs inside and outside each other, I think that would be great to see and very difficult to play against. He also offers a goal threat. I’m not certain it would work but I certainly would like to see it tried in training to see if it works. It can’t hurt can it?

 

[Champagneblade]

What you have highlighted is that yeah, take the money for Berge leaves a hole that isn't easy to fill.

If you want the height he gives as an attacking midfield outlet I found just about one player out of contract, Dutchman playing in Warsaw earmarked for Schalke, Pelle Van Amersfoort. In contract there is a Polish player called Krzysztof Kubica from Gornik Zabrze.

At that point you need to drop your demand for a player of such stature, so already a compromise. Someone who can play wide and support the striker
or at least an attacking midfielder, which then leads me to conclude if you let Sander go, we really ought to be in for Jed Wallace or Tom Lawrence. It would also make it quite the pity that we allowed Swift to move unopposed to WBA.

Otherwise you turn to the loan market and players like Chong (who was at Brum), Elanga (who was poor on loan at Rangers) and Shoretire from Man U, Pilogene-Bidace (who was at Stoke) from Villa, Cole Palmer or James McAtee from City.

I don't believe your pool is all that large.

Your other option is to give Oli Burke a go in his more favoured position on the right of a front three. (I do hate myself for typing that). But it is an option if all others fail and in his defence he could say he has seldom been played here in his actual role.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Your other option is to give Oli Burke a go in his more favoured position on the right of a front three. (I do hate myself for typing that). But it is an option if all others fail and in his defence he could say he has seldom been played here in his actual role.

Didn’t PH say that he’s less likely to come back and play for us than the out of contract players?

 

[Champagneblade]

Didn’t PH say that he’s less likely to come back and play for us than the out of contract players?

 

[mancunianblade]

Just leave him where he is, I don’t understand why people are trying to shoehorn him into various roles.

Look at TAA - Southgate thought he’d be a good CDM because of his passing ability but it didn’t work.

Bogle is better than Baldock, it’s probably Baldock we need to be looking at playing a different position unless he plays every game like the second half vs Forest.

Yeah its a shame when managers shoehorn players into different positions that arent defined by the Fantasy football classification the PL give them, If Redknapp hadn't moved Bale to left-wing then he would have gone onto have a stellar career as an ok Left Back rather than the busted flush he is now

 

[Overthehills]

It's all a very typical Sheffield United bereavement isn't it?....

Morgan Gibbs White was an absolute gem and he will mow go on to try and ply his trade in the top league of English football.

But as the hangover wears off again, he find ourselves in a very familiar opportunity knocks scenario... in which we once again dissect, digest and thing of how we can rebuild...

Bit MGW becomes another Sheffield United fairytale.... another one thay got away.....and another one that will pop up on here again in the future, time and time again....He had the ability to lift us from us our seats, he was our sort of player.....a sheer luxury.

But forgetting the season conclusion, we now have a massive MGW void to fill......we are all seeking a player of a similar mould to play in a similar role and fashion... forgive me if I'm wrong, but I feel this thread should be entitled "Can bogle be our MGW next season"..... for that is the feel.

Personally I feel my answer is no.... he's a much wider player and plays differently to MGW. That doesn't mean that I don't raye Bogle as a player...in fact as he came on I found him to be highly impressive..... but he is a different sort of player.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Yeah its a shame when managers shoehorn players into different positions that arent defined by the Fantasy football classification the PL give them, If Redknapp hadn't moved Bale to left-wing then he would have gone onto have a stellar career as an ok Left Back rather than the busted flush he is now

You could see with Bale's height, speed & power he could eventually play that position (where he also played at times for Southampton) plus he didn't completely change from RWB to sit behind the strikers because that wasn't his or Bogle's strengths so it's not a great example.

Also, it's one example from 10 years ago what United players have COMPLETELY changed positions and it worked? The only ones I can think of are JOC going to LCB & Bash going to RCB but that wasn't a complete change for them

Bogle's strength is his energy, speed, skill & arriving in good positions from wide so RWB is perfect for him, you could argue he could play RW but Could you imagine prime 18/19 Duffy or N'diaye RWB?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Interesting range of responses...

Personally feel one of the biggest weaknesses we have is that we play an extremely fluid system but with a bunch of players who are increasingly rigid with their ability to shift roles.

One of the big advantages of 'Tufty Ball' was the ability to shift to a back 4 and have players step into midfield or shift formation completely. As the team has gotten older we've seen less and less of this - culminating in our mini-implosion when a new coach tried to play a slightly different system.

It's funny that at youth level they try to make kids position agnostic but other than Osborn, I can't think of one player who could shift roles.

That notwithstanding, watching the fluidity of MGW, Ndiaye and Berge was the high point of this season, so I'm crossing fingers Heckinbottom sees that as the catalyst for how he wants this team to evolve.