bloody hell refs

[JackSUFC]

And the disallowed Norwood and Berge goals.

Not been funny but it's a bit fucking obvious someone doesn't want us to go up.

2 points at Blackpool
A point if not three at Stoke
2 points today

5-7 points in the last few.

We'd be second already. That's without that asinine performance away at Bournemouth.

Absolute garbage.

Trying to think how many decisions have gone in our favour on the flip side. Maybe Huddersfield’s disallowed goal at their place? That’s about it though.

 

[Champagneblade]

Trying to think how many decisions have gone in our favour on the flip side. Maybe Huddersfield’s disallowed goal at their place? That’s about it though.

Even then it is debatable and I doubt if the rules go to this level.

Baldock instigates the Hudds player losing his balance, which wasn't necessarily a foul in itself, but it is still their man who takes out Wes.

It's like a car crash. Car A crashes to Car B and who crashes to Car C. Unfortunately for Car B, he will still get a claim from Car C. What happens next with counter claims maybe be another thing but Car C was still impacted by Car B.

Logically it's his fault but as he doesn't directly 'foul' his own keeper I think the rules will still give a foul, even though morally I think they shouldn't.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Classic Championship officials today.

All shite.

The linesman on the South Stand side was not only useless but ridiculously weak

Time and time again O'Neil blocked his view by standing on the touchline and neither he nor the 4th official said anything.

When the ball was miles out you could read his lips saying 'I couldn't see'

Agree completely. Parker took the piss, he was strolling down the touchline in his designer gear, miles outside the technical area, with his two assistants half a yard behind him. The lino couldn't see because of that, but the idea of a technical area and a 4th official is to police it. All 4 officials were crap yesterday, weak and inconsistent.

 

[chesblade]

Parker and his assistants continually in 4th official ear all match.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

I must have just watched it about 20 times. Honestly cannot remember a more clear-cut, stonewall penalty not being given in my 28 years of going. It's utterly incomprehensible to think that any official could see that and not give a penalty.

And considering the refs position to it and his view being unobstructed, its bordering on bent. He didn't even allow himself to think about it and immediately ruled it not a foul. I'd argue he was never going to give us one regards how quick he was to dismiss it.

Do sky sports still have that prick dermot Gallagher on after the weekend discussing decisions? He's useless n all. All he ever did was back his refs, much to the bemusement of the presenter sometimes.

The red from yesterday should be banned for a month. Don't demote him a division so another side can suffer. Each and every ref should be made to explain themselves.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Parker and his assistants continually in 4th official ear all match.

Parker comes across as one of them entitled cunts because he played for Chelsea and the officials are seemingly in awe of him. Wankers.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Parker comes across as one of them entitled cunts because he played for Chelsea and the officials are seemingly in awe of him. Wankers.

I have a completely irrational dislike for Parker which dates back to his playing days. I have no idea where it came from but his time as a manager has changed nothing

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

I have a completely irrational dislike for Parker which dates back to his playing days. I have no idea where it came from but his time as a manager has changed nothing

I wouldn't say I have a dislike for him, I just never thought he was all that good. Certainly never stood out as anything special.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I wouldn't say I have a dislike for him, I just never thought he was all that good. Certainly never stood out as anything special.

I have no idea what it stems from Ains (and you note I haven’t dipped into the old trope of hatred) but there’s just something about him that winds me up.

 

[LudlamBlade]

Put your conspiracy hat on.

Assume Sheffield United and Bournemouth are in the list of favorite clubs to go up.

Imagine the odds on the latter going up are longer than those of the former.

Imagine you'd decided to bet on the longer odds of the latter but wanted some assistance in ensuring they finished higher.

What better way to achieve this than to conjur up a penalty in one game and ignore an offside to tilt the scales, then in the return game to ignore a penalty in favour of the team you didn't want to win.

Remember, these are not games against any old teams they are games directly against each other with a double jeopardy.

I wonder what that would look like?

Bournemouth away - Bournemouth -3 Blades +3
Bournemouth home - Bournemouth -1 Blades +2

Current table
Bournemouth 73
Blades 65

Adjusted table
Blades 70
Bournemouth 69

Then it got me thinking is there some sort of pattern here?

Another few snippets from the BBC match reports regarding their matches:

9 April - Blades 0-0
Wolves loanee Gibbs-White was also denied a penalty late on after appearing to be caught by Nathaniel Phillips before Filip Uremovic missed a late sitter to win it.

2 April - Bristol City 3-2 win for AFCB:
City felt they should have had a penalty when Chris Martin appeared to be fouled by Lloyd Kelly.

12 Mar - Derby which they won 2-0 but at 0-0:
However, Derby saw penalty appeals waved away after Ravel Morrison went down in the box under a challenge from Leif Davis.

8 Mar - Peterborough 1-1
Grant McCann's side felt they should have had a fifth-minute penalty when Jonson Clarke-Harris went down under a challenge from Jack Stacey, before Dominic Solanke twice went close for the hosts in the opening 10 minutes

26 Feb - Stoke 2-1
"Zemura's challenge on Jacob Brown was no different to Morgan's challenge [on Philip Billing]. Neither are red cards, but to give a red card and to give the other one as a thrown-in to the opposition is staggering"

15 Jan - Luton - still lost 3-2 but:
The referee initially awarded them a second when Cameron Jerome side-footed into the net after Bournemouth failed to clear a corner, but changed his mind after consulting his assistant.

24 Nov - Millwall 1-1:
The hosts thought Solanke had committed a foul in the build-up to the goal as he launched himself at the ball into the box, and that sense of injustice seemed to give the home side added impetus after the break.

6 Nov - Swansea - 4-0 however at 0-0:
The visitors began on the front foot, but had little to show from their early possession, apart from a penalty claim when the lively Ethan Laird felt he was tripped by Davis.

30 Oct - Reading 2-0 however at 0-0:
However, there was controversy in the build-up to the goal as Reading midfielder Danny Drinkwater thought he had prevented the ball from going for the corner which led to it.

2 Oct - Blades 2-1:
"If I answer you honestly it will be ugly and if I answer you kindly it'll be fake." + his comments on the other goal being offside in the build up.

18 Sep - Cardiff 1-0 but:
The Bluebirds showed glimpses of attacking intent late on, with substitute James Collins heading an effort over before strong appeals for a penalty when Kieffer Moore took a tumble in the box.

6 Aug - West Brom 2-2:
Four minutes later, Robinson had the ball in the net but the goal was chalked off by referee Dean Whitestone.

By referee Dean Whitestone.

7 penalty decisions in their favour, 5 decisions directly related in their favour to goals and 1 inconsistent red in the same game just on the reports I skimmed.

That, to me, seems an awful lot of key game changing decisions going their way. A bit sus, isn't it?

And a large part of our fans still moan and feel aggrieved at the "ghost goal" at Villa...

Conveniently forgetting that it actually sent Bournemouth down.

FWIW, I think they're shithouses and one of the biggest sets of twats I've seen, but football is football and every team gets the rub of the green at some point or other

 

[Danny_Blade]

And a large part of our fans still moan and feel aggrieved at the "ghost goal" at Villa...

Conveniently forgetting that it actually sent Bournemouth down.

FWIW, I think they're shithouses and one of the biggest sets of twats I've seen, but football is football and every team gets the rub of the green at some point or other

Never seems to happen to us though does it? Much more often than not the rub of the green is to our detriment no matter how big or small the controversy is.

 

[LudlamBlade]

Never seems to happen to us though does it? Much more often than not the rub of the green is to our detriment no matter how big or small the controversy is.

I do agree with you, I've been sat thinking since I posted that, trying to remember the last time we had something like that go our way...one of those moments where you think "definitely shouldn't have got away with that, ah well, fuck em"...and I'm struggling to remember one at all!

Not sure if that just says something about my mentality though

 

[Robby Blade]

I have a completely irrational dislike for Parker which dates back to his playing days. I have no idea where it came from but his time as a manager has changed nothing

I can't stand the ponced up cockney cunt at any time, but even more so when he's referred to as Scotty Parker

 

[bertieblade]

I can't stand the ponced up cockney cunt at any time, but even more so when he's referred to as Scotty Parker

Thunderbird puppet

 

[ForgeBlade]

And considering the refs position to it and his view being unobstructed, its bordering on bent. He didn't even allow himself to think about it and immediately ruled it not a foul. I'd argue he was never going to give us one regards how quick he was to dismiss it.

Do sky sports still have that prick dermot Gallagher on after the weekend discussing decisions? He's useless n all. All he ever did was back his refs, much to the bemusement of the presenter sometimes.

The red from yesterday should be banned for a month. Don't demote him a division so another side can suffer. Each and every ref should be made to explain themselves.

He should be sacked. No suspension, no fine, sacked immediately. He's clearly (at best) incompetent and not capable of doing his job to a decent standard.

 

[SelbyBlade]

I guess when you get prem money and two years worth of payments if you come back down some people could be tempted to tip the scales so to speak. Very suspicious. Especially yesterday where the lino states it's a penalty but the ref in a better position states a stonewaller is not. He's either the shittest ref in history (Graham Poll apart) or has some pecuniary gain. How do former Russian oligarchs get their money?

 

[Tezza1889]

Parker comes across as one of them entitled cunts because he played for Chelsea and the officials are seemingly in awe of him. Wankers.

Parker will be sacked after 10 games next season should they go up. He's wank..

 

[Toronto Blade]

Parker has done a good job of schooling his assistants they all encroach on the line obstructing the linos view. Although it doesn't matter as it is Bournemouth the linos say nothing and the 4th official allows Parker to do what Parker does. The so called game officials all know it will all be forgotten in a week. I do wish our coaching staff would be a bit more emotional on the sidelines. That 4th official needs a terrier in his ear all game.

 

[Maidenhead]

Even then it is debatable and I doubt if the rules go to this level.

Baldock instigates the Hudds player losing his balance, which wasn't necessarily a foul in itself, but it is still their man who takes out Wes.

It's like a car crash. Car A crashes to Car B and who crashes to Car C. Unfortunately for Car B, he will still get a claim from Car C. What happens next with counter claims maybe be another thing but Car C was still impacted by Car B.

Logically it's his fault but as he doesn't directly 'foul' his own keeper I think the rules will still give a foul, even though morally I think they shouldn't.

The officials were absolutely right to disallow the goal but Town should definitely have had a penalty for the foul by Baldock.

We got away with one there but I can't remember any other big decisions that have gone our way.

(not that I can ever remember much about a game once it's gone)

 

[Yewsman]

Is there a proper system with the League for assessing referees and holding them accountable for poor decisive decisions? Will he have to put something in his report about the penalty decision? Will he have to deal with the fact that the ĺino gave it and why he over ruled it? It's one thing where theres a "debatable" decision but when even the opposition agree it was a clear pen surely some action needs to be taken. If an employee at work made a bad mistake they would be given at least a warning Or extra training to try and make sure his performance improves.

 

[dn5 shaun]

how much was in the brown envelope ref?

Said that myself, nothing short of blatant cheating. And as for their players rolling around reminded me of premiership.

 

[Greenwich Blade]

Said that myself, nothing short of blatant cheating. And as for their players rolling around reminded me of premiership.

Yep, especially the last time we played Bournemouth at home.

 

[JimW1889]

I really wish linesmen would just put their flag up for what they think happened rather than being scared of not agreeing with the ref.

There's nothing more pathetic when the ref and the linesman both stare at each other trying to signal so they both say the same thing. Just put your flag up for what you think happened and then the ref can either agree or disagree with it.

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Put your conspiracy hat on.

Assume Sheffield United and Bournemouth are in the list of favorite clubs to go up.

Imagine the odds on the latter going up are longer than those of the former.

Imagine you'd decided to bet on the longer odds of the latter but wanted some assistance in ensuring they finished higher.

What better way to achieve this than to conjur up a penalty in one game and ignore an offside to tilt the scales, then in the return game to ignore a penalty in favour of the team you didn't want to win.

Remember, these are not games against any old teams they are games directly against each other with a double jeopardy.

I wonder what that would look like?

Bournemouth away - Bournemouth -3 Blades +3
Bournemouth home - Bournemouth -1 Blades +2

Current table
Bournemouth 73
Blades 65

Adjusted table
Blades 70
Bournemouth 69

Then it got me thinking is there some sort of pattern here?

Another few snippets from the BBC match reports regarding their matches:

9 April - Blades 0-0
Wolves loanee Gibbs-White was also denied a penalty late on after appearing to be caught by Nathaniel Phillips before Filip Uremovic missed a late sitter to win it.

2 April - Bristol City 3-2 win for AFCB:
City felt they should have had a penalty when Chris Martin appeared to be fouled by Lloyd Kelly.

12 Mar - Derby which they won 2-0 but at 0-0:
However, Derby saw penalty appeals waved away after Ravel Morrison went down in the box under a challenge from Leif Davis.

8 Mar - Peterborough 1-1
Grant McCann's side felt they should have had a fifth-minute penalty when Jonson Clarke-Harris went down under a challenge from Jack Stacey, before Dominic Solanke twice went close for the hosts in the opening 10 minutes

26 Feb - Stoke 2-1
"Zemura's challenge on Jacob Brown was no different to Morgan's challenge [on Philip Billing]. Neither are red cards, but to give a red card and to give the other one as a thrown-in to the opposition is staggering"

15 Jan - Luton - still lost 3-2 but:
The referee initially awarded them a second when Cameron Jerome side-footed into the net after Bournemouth failed to clear a corner, but changed his mind after consulting his assistant.

24 Nov - Millwall 1-1:
The hosts thought Solanke had committed a foul in the build-up to the goal as he launched himself at the ball into the box, and that sense of injustice seemed to give the home side added impetus after the break.

6 Nov - Swansea - 4-0 however at 0-0:
The visitors began on the front foot, but had little to show from their early possession, apart from a penalty claim when the lively Ethan Laird felt he was tripped by Davis.

30 Oct - Reading 2-0 however at 0-0:
However, there was controversy in the build-up to the goal as Reading midfielder Danny Drinkwater thought he had prevented the ball from going for the corner which led to it.

2 Oct - Blades 2-1:
"If I answer you honestly it will be ugly and if I answer you kindly it'll be fake." + his comments on the other goal being offside in the build up.

18 Sep - Cardiff 1-0 but:
The Bluebirds showed glimpses of attacking intent late on, with substitute James Collins heading an effort over before strong appeals for a penalty when Kieffer Moore took a tumble in the box.

6 Aug - West Brom 2-2:
Four minutes later, Robinson had the ball in the net but the goal was chalked off by referee Dean Whitestone.

By referee Dean Whitestone.

7 penalty decisions in their favour, 5 decisions directly related in their favour to goals and 1 inconsistent red in the same game just on the reports I skimmed.

That, to me, seems an awful lot of key game changing decisions going their way. A bit sus, isn't it?

Thanks, at least it's not just me (and my lad). We shouldn't have to think like this, and I didn't until recently. I think what really set me off was the "non-goal" at Villa Park, which reeked of something being "not right", especially with all the technology supposedly at their disposal. I don't think it's just Bournemouth, but they are very rich for a club which has spent most of it's history in the bottom two tiers, with an average gate this season of about 9800. Nothing talks more in football than money, and they have a lot of it. If anything is ever proven about corruption amongst officials, I'll be done with football.

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Parker comes across as one of them entitled cunts because he played for Chelsea and the officials are seemingly in awe of him. Wankers.

He is a total nob.

 

[Stu_Blade]

I'd say refs and assistants are getting promoted above their ability .fast track rubbish

Agreed on this point but that can be viewed on a few ways. To keep up with play you definitely need to be fitter and fitter each season you can risk an early 30 something in the Championship but then you are comprising on experience. If you have the experience of the 50 odd year old refs you might be comprising on fitness/vision. My personal opinion is 2 onfield referees taking the team to 5 so you have a referee per half with a lino each and the 4th now 5th official.

 

[Everblade]

I took my 8 year old grandson to the Lane yesterday for the first time, he’s only been playing kid’s football for a year and after about 20 minutes he said to me “ why does the referee keep stopping the game ? “ Where do you start?

 

[Bladeloyal]

Agreed on this point but that can be viewed on a few ways. To keep up with play you definitely need to be fitter and fitter each season you can risk an early 30 something in the Championship but then you are comprising on experience. If you have the experience of the 50 odd year old refs you might be comprising on fitness/vision. My personal opinion is 2 onfield referees taking the team to 5 so you have a referee per half with a lino each and the 4th now 5th official.

That's a no no ,has to be one boss on the pitch ,while we have Mike Riley as the chief things won't get better

 

[Stu_Blade]

That's a no no ,has to be one boss on the pitch ,while we have Mike Riley as the chief things won't get better

That's the problem with football, the chiefs at the top think they have the "perfect game" when you look at Rugby League the first time they used a video referee was at a tournament in 1996 approx 20 years before VAR was introduced in football. In top grade rugby league in Australia they have the 2 referee system and it was brought in because of the speed of the game. I would personally prefer the FA to say we have looked at x and feel our referees can benefit from y after reviewing how it works in x sport similar to hawk eye and whether the ball has crossed the line etc. I personally don't think we have corrupt officials or even inept ones alot of it is down to angles and when you look at the pace of the modern game which is only getting quicker there is nothing wrong with saying we have looked at this and will be trialling it out to make the decisions clearer. Trial by media should be out of the question in my book, we will end up getting rid of more referees that way. Currently we are setting up to fail which isn't helping

 

[metalblade]

We have ref's in the Premier League who are in their late 40's and one or two in their early 50's. Professional footballers start to struggle to keep up to speed by 35 so how can you expect someone around 50 to keep up with play? We need younger professional ref's or one in each half other sports have more than one ref without any issues.