bloody hell refs

[MobileBlade]

I’ve seen a lot of justified complaints about the penalty decision on Saturday. People are also saying we were cheated out of 2 points. My question to those people is: who was going to take the penalty and why are you sure they’d have scored?

Sander Berge or Oli Norwood. Sander takes one of the best penalties you will ever see.

 

[bertieblade]

Bournemouth game plan was to receive the ball, make a back into a defender and fall over
Win free kick
And repeat

But then again billy does exactly the sane thing

 

[Revolution]

Sander Berge or Oli Norwood. Sander takes one of the best penalties you will ever see.

Berge had been substituted by that point.

 

[MobileBlade]

Berge had been substituted by that point.

Norwood then!

 

[scouseblade]

I still don't want VAR. The fact is that is the ref and lino can't between them see that's a penalty, there's something seriously wrong.
Apparently the lino advised giving it, but the twat of a referee ignored him. The FA have got to get the assistant referees more involved to help the refs with more than offside and throw ins.

Thing is VAR when applied correctly (not very often) highlights the shockers even more and the refs will tend to change their minds. When you dont have VAR, what will happen to Mr Whitestone? Will have get a bollocking? No. Will he be demoted. Probably no. No doubt he will ref in the Championship this weekend. He will have no accountability for a very poor decision. VAR would have shown him that he was wrong and we would have got a pen.

 

[Northyorksblade]

Hasn't been a contact sport for years since they removed the shoulder barge from the Laws it's all about intent or actual contact now. In theory you do not have to foul the player but trip or intend to trip an opponent is enough

Or in Saturday's game, breathe heavily on the player.

 

[jt64]

If we're talking about Championship refs in general, Luton ending with 11 was an absolute miracle last night

 

[Stu_Blade]

Or in Saturday's game, breathe heavily on the player.

Depending on who it was if moose was still playing for us he would had been off in no time based on the above with the scent of kebab and garlic mayo hitting the senses of the opposition

 

[Champagneblade]

Interesting article…

Why Sheffield United should already be above AFC Bournemouth this season

In football, we’re frequently told, luck tends to balance itself out. If that particular cliché is true, then Sheffield United are surely destined for the Premier League this season after saving up what seems like a season of misfortune for the promotion race’s final straight.

www.thestar.co.uk

Pretty much wrote the same thing at the weekend. Where's my commission?

 

[Champagneblade]

I’ve seen a lot of justified complaints about the penalty decision on Saturday. People are also saying we were cheated out of 2 points. My question to those people is: who was going to take the penalty and why are you sure they’d have scored?

Norwood. He's taken 8 in regulation matches and scored 7.

He did hit the woodwork in a shoot out though but I believe he's regarded as a decent taker.

It absolutely wouldn't be McBurnie. I'd have Wes take one before him.

 

[Greenwich Blade]

Norwood. He's taken 8 in regulation matches and scored 7.

He did hit the woodwork in a shoot out though but I believe he's regarded as a decent taker.

It absolutely wouldn't be McBurnie. I'd have Wes take one before him.

Which one did Norwood miss? I should remember it but...

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

Bournemouth go up. Get lowest points total in Premier history. Khama. We also go up and get 6 guaranteed points...only need 34 more!

 

[Silent Blade]

do we have to be sttacked with a machete or a sawn off shot gun to be given a penalty

Your quote is not as good as Bassett's "The only time we get a penalty is when our player gets raped and gang-banged"

 

[Silent Blade]

Get used to it.
It's been like this as long as I can remember.
You have to try and ignore it and win the game again.
Was going to post something about SUFC being 2-0 up after 60 minutes and losing 3-2 three months later and see if anyone could solve that riddle.
For those who were not there that was fifty years ago.
2-0 up at Coventry, coasting, on a typical no grass mud heap in winter.
Thirty second snow shower and ref calls it off.
Stopped before even one player had had time to leave the pitch.
TC with his arms out saying - what you called it off for it's stopped, it's no different.
But the 'decision' was made.
Nowt to do with Jimmy Hill who appeared to running football at the time as well as Coventry.

Will post the 3-2 match in the below thread next week

50 years ago today

Billy Dearden , total hero of mine but never lauded like Woody & TC. What's that book ?

www.s24su.com

 

[Champagneblade]

Which one did Norwood miss? I should remember it but...

He missed on his debut in the league cup vs Hull. I think he hit the bar.

 

[Champagneblade]

Your quote is not as good as Bassett's "The only time we get a penalty is when our player gets raped and gang-banged"

I remember that. We went something mad like 50 games without a penalty.

Something tells me you couldn't describe it that way these days!

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Your quote is not as good as Bassett's "The only time we get a penalty is when our player gets raped and gang-banged"

While Bassett was saying such stupid and offensive drivel, players were being abused at Crewe and many other places across the Football league by sick coaches. Ha ha how funny the piano key toothed Cockney blurt is.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

While Bassett was saying such stupid and offensive drivel, players were being abused at Crewe and many other places across the Football league by sick coaches. Ha ha how funny the piano key toothed Cockney blurt is.

Was he supposed to know that was going off at Crewe? It's ridiculous to claim we shouldn't say certain things because those things are happening somewhere in the world. I think you're description of his teeth is offensive to be honest.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Was he supposed to know that was going off at Crewe? It's ridiculous to claim we shouldn't say certain things because those things are happening somewhere in the world. I think you're description of his teeth is offensive to be honest.

Fair point. I don't t ge the insistence on using meyaphors involving abuse, or analogies involving abuse, and the person thinking it's funny.

 

[Champagneblade]

Put your conspiracy hat on.

Assume Sheffield United and Bournemouth are in the list of favorite clubs to go up.

Imagine the odds on the latter going up are longer than those of the former.

Imagine you'd decided to bet on the longer odds of the latter but wanted some assistance in ensuring they finished higher.

What better way to achieve this than to conjur up a penalty in one game and ignore an offside to tilt the scales, then in the return game to ignore a penalty in favour of the team you didn't want to win.

Remember, these are not games against any old teams they are games directly against each other with a double jeopardy.

I wonder what that would look like?

Bournemouth away - Bournemouth -3 Blades +3
Bournemouth home - Bournemouth -1 Blades +2

Current table
Bournemouth 73
Blades 65

Adjusted table
Blades 70
Bournemouth 69

Then it got me thinking is there some sort of pattern here?

Another few snippets from the BBC match reports regarding their matches:

9 April - Blades 0-0
Wolves loanee Gibbs-White was also denied a penalty late on after appearing to be caught by Nathaniel Phillips before Filip Uremovic missed a late sitter to win it.

2 April - Bristol City 3-2 win for AFCB:
City felt they should have had a penalty when Chris Martin appeared to be fouled by Lloyd Kelly.

12 Mar - Derby which they won 2-0 but at 0-0:
However, Derby saw penalty appeals waved away after Ravel Morrison went down in the box under a challenge from Leif Davis.

8 Mar - Peterborough 1-1
Grant McCann's side felt they should have had a fifth-minute penalty when Jonson Clarke-Harris went down under a challenge from Jack Stacey, before Dominic Solanke twice went close for the hosts in the opening 10 minutes

26 Feb - Stoke 2-1
"Zemura's challenge on Jacob Brown was no different to Morgan's challenge [on Philip Billing]. Neither are red cards, but to give a red card and to give the other one as a thrown-in to the opposition is staggering"

15 Jan - Luton - still lost 3-2 but:
The referee initially awarded them a second when Cameron Jerome side-footed into the net after Bournemouth failed to clear a corner, but changed his mind after consulting his assistant.

24 Nov - Millwall 1-1:
The hosts thought Solanke had committed a foul in the build-up to the goal as he launched himself at the ball into the box, and that sense of injustice seemed to give the home side added impetus after the break.

6 Nov - Swansea - 4-0 however at 0-0:
The visitors began on the front foot, but had little to show from their early possession, apart from a penalty claim when the lively Ethan Laird felt he was tripped by Davis.

30 Oct - Reading 2-0 however at 0-0:
However, there was controversy in the build-up to the goal as Reading midfielder Danny Drinkwater thought he had prevented the ball from going for the corner which led to it.

2 Oct - Blades 2-1:
"If I answer you honestly it will be ugly and if I answer you kindly it'll be fake." + his comments on the other goal being offside in the build up.

18 Sep - Cardiff 1-0 but:
The Bluebirds showed glimpses of attacking intent late on, with substitute James Collins heading an effort over before strong appeals for a penalty when Kieffer Moore took a tumble in the box.

6 Aug - West Brom 2-2:
Four minutes later, Robinson had the ball in the net but the goal was chalked off by referee Dean Whitestone.

By referee Dean Whitestone.

7 penalty decisions in their favour, 5 decisions directly related in their favour to goals and 1 inconsistent red in the same game just on the reports I skimmed.

That, to me, seems an awful lot of key game changing decisions going their way. A bit sus, isn't it?

Let me just add to this. Bournemouth have played 3 more games since they drew undeservedly against us.

Having soundly beat Coventry, mainly on the counter, described as smash and grab, we next have Boro:

April - Boro 0-0
The visitors felt they might have had a penalty when a Jones cross from point-blank range rapped Bournemouth full-back Adam Smith on the hand, but the claim was waved away.

April - Fulham 1-1
But the Cherries won a penalty deep into added time as Harry Wilson was penalised for a foul on Adam Smith, with Fulham boss Marco Silva sent off for his protests against the decision.
"It's tough for us, for me it's a mistake from the referee [to award the penalty], that's made a big impact on the game."
98th minute too? Was the ref just playing until he could engineer a goal for them?

It's all blatant when you read their reports. People will look back in years and think they got second at a canter.

Adjusted table
Blades 74
Bournemouth 72

That's just have even handed refs in our head to heads and taking into consideration the controversial decisions since we met. If that had been applied all season they'd probably be in the chasing pack trying to edge in the play offs.

Either way, even with my sketchy perusal of the BBC website that's now 9 penalty decisions going their way, 5 decisions directly related in their favour to goals and 1 inconsistent red.

Whatever happens this season hasn't been a level playing field by any means. Bring back VAR!

 

[LS16Blade]

Let me just add to this. Bournemouth have played 3 more games since they drew undeservedly against us.

Having soundly beat Coventry, mainly on the counter, described as smash and grab, we next have Boro:

April - Boro 0-0
The visitors felt they might have had a penalty when a Jones cross from point-blank range rapped Bournemouth full-back Adam Smith on the hand, but the claim was waved away.

April - Fulham 1-1
But the Cherries won a penalty deep into added time as Harry Wilson was penalised for a foul on Adam Smith, with Fulham boss Marco Silva sent off for his protests against the decision.
"It's tough for us, for me it's a mistake from the referee [to award the penalty], that's made a big impact on the game."
98th minute too? Was the ref just playing until he could engineer a goal for them?

It's all blatant when you read their reports. People will look back in years and think they got second at a canter.

Adjusted table
Blades 74
Bournemouth 72

That's just have even handed refs in our head to heads and taking into consideration the controversial decisions since we met. If that had been applied all season they'd probably be in the chasing pack trying to edge in the play offs.

Either way, even with my sketchy perusal of the BBC website that's now 9 penalty decisions going their way, 5 decisions directly related in their favour to goals and 1 inconsistent red.

Whatever happens this season hasn't been a level playing field by any means. Bring back VAR!

Absolutely agree, Champagne.

As you say, this has been going on all season.

The cockney spiv, Parker, and his horrible cheating team, have certainly had a helping hand from Championship officials. In particular, as Champagne notes, the non-award of blatant penalties against Bournemouth has occurred with notable and suspicious regularity.

WBA (H) - Draw - WBA had a goal mysteriously disallowed (ref: D Whitestone)

Birmingham (A) - Win - Of the opening goal, Bowyer said, “It was the first shot they had and it was handball.” (A Davies)

United (H) - Win - As we know, neither Bournemouth goal should have stood - one being from a scandalous penalty award. (R Jones)

Reading (A) - Win - “there was controversy in the build-up to [Bournemouth’s] goal - Reading believed it shouldn’t have been a corner.” (O. Langford)

Swansea (H) - Win - Swansea aggrieved at “non-penalty”. Swansea boss says, “Ethan gets fouled in the box. The official admits there’s contact, he just didn’t think there was enough.” (T. Harrington)

Fulham (A) - Draw - Fulham boss said, “We had a clear penalty not given.” (T.Robinson)

Stoke (H) - Win - Stoke receive a pivotal red card. O’Neill said, “Zemura’s challenge on Jacob Brown was no different to Morgan’s challenge [on Billing]. Neither are red cards, but to give a red card and to give the other one as a throw-in to the opposition is staggering.” (T. Robinson)

Peterborough (H) - Draw - “Grant McCann’s side felt they should have had a 5th minute penalty.” (G. Ward)

Derby (H) - Win - Rooney said, “It’s a clear penalty. I’m sure if you ask Scott Parker he’ll say it’s a penalty. Everyone in the stadium knew it was a penalty except for the 4 people who mattered.” (A. Madley)

Bristol City (H) - Win - “City felt they should have had a penalty when Chris Martin appeared to be fouled by Lloyd Kelly.” (S. Martin)

United (A) - Draw - “Gibbs-White was also denied a penalty late on after appearing to be caught by Nathaniel Phillips.” Parker said, “It looked like it could have been a penalty so they might feel hard done by.” (D. Whitestone)

Middlesbrough (H) - Draw - “The visitors felt they might have had a penalty when a Jones cross from point-blank range rapped Adam Smith on the hand.” (T. Robinson)

Fulham (H) - Draw - Silva said, “It’s tough for us, for me it’s a mistake from the referee [to award Bournemouth a penalty].” (G. Scott)

in Championship terms, despite everything else about the club being Third Division, Bournemouth have very wealthy ownership. After all, that’s largely how they cheated their way to promotion under Howe. Money talks and one has to wonder who it’s speaking to for Bournemouth this season.

 

[Champagneblade]

Absolutely agree, Champagne.

As you say, this has been going on all season.

The cockney spiv, Parker, and his horrible cheating team, have certainly had a helping hand from Championship officials. In particular, as Champagne notes, the non-award of blatant penalties against Bournemouth has occurred with notable and suspicious regularity.

WBA (H) - Draw - WBA had a goal mysteriously disallowed (ref: D Whitestone)

Birmingham (A) - Win - Of the opening goal, Bowyer said, “It was the first shot they had and it was handball.” (A Davies)

United (H) - Win - As we know, neither Bournemouth goal should have stood - one being from a scandalous penalty award. (R Jones)

Reading (A) - Win - “there was controversy in the build-up to [Bournemouth’s] goal - Reading believed it shouldn’t have been a corner.” (O. Langford)

Swansea (H) - Win - Swansea aggrieved at “non-penalty”. Swansea boss says, “Ethan gets fouled in the box. The official admits there’s contact, he just didn’t think there was enough.” (T. Harrington)

Fulham (A) - Draw - Fulham boss said, “We had a clear penalty not given.” (T.Robinson)

Stoke (H) - Win - Stoke receive a pivotal red card. O’Neill said, “Zemura’s challenge on Jacob Brown was no different to Morgan’s challenge [on Billing]. Neither are red cards, but to give a red card and to give the other one as a throw-in to the opposition is staggering.” (T. Robinson)

Peterborough (H) - Draw - “Grant McCann’s side felt they should have had a 5th minute penalty.” (G. Ward)

Derby (H) - Win - Rooney said, “It’s a clear penalty. I’m sure if you ask Scott Parker he’ll say it’s a penalty. Everyone in the stadium knew it was a penalty except for the 4 people who mattered.” (A. Madley)

Bristol City (H) - Win - “City felt they should have had a penalty when Chris Martin appeared to be fouled by Lloyd Kelly.” (S. Martin)

United (A) - Draw - “Gibbs-White was also denied a penalty late on after appearing to be caught by Nathaniel Phillips.” Parker said, “It looked like it could have been a penalty so they might feel hard done by.” (D. Whitestone)

Middlesbrough (H) - Draw - “The visitors felt they might have had a penalty when a Jones cross from point-blank range rapped Adam Smith on the hand.” (T. Robinson)

Fulham (H) - Draw - Silva said, “It’s tough for us, for me it’s a mistake from the referee [to award Bournemouth a penalty].” (G. Scott)

in Championship terms, despite everything else about the club being Third Division, Bournemouth have very wealthy ownership. After all, that’s largely how they cheated their way to promotion under Howe. Money talks and one has to wonder who it’s speaking to for Bournemouth this season.

Assume Whitestone and Robinson are blood relations to Parker are they? 3 decisions there way by Robinson. How was he allowed to ref them again after the first two?

I don't quite have time at the moment but would be interesting to see how many points that accounts for.

Also be worth looking at United reports and see how many we got knocked back. The push on N'Diaye at Birmingham was so blatant though didn't impact the result.

 

[LudlamBlade]

Assume Whitestone and Robinson are blood relations to Parker are they? 3 decisions there way by Robinson. How was he allowed to ref them again after the first two?

I don't quite have time at the moment but would be interesting to see how many points that accounts for.

Also be worth looking at United reports and see how many we got knocked back. The push on N'Diaye at Birmingham was so blatant though didn't impact the result.

Exact same shit going on in a story from a year ago...

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[Rocketmark66]

Will Var be used at Wembley for the play off finals .
I know it's only supposed to be used for the premiership games and international matches, but seeing as all the technology is already in place will they use it.

 

[Rudders]

Exact same shit going on in a story from a year ago...

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This is not really helping my ref conspiracy paranoia is it? Anyway putting aside the likelihood that Bournemouth have indeed bribed refs; and 'lil Scotty and his fat assistant(s) gaming the technical area rules in most games, we must also remember that those lovable seaside town, dodgy Russian petro-chemical trader owned and non league crowd sized team are world class at playacting and diving.
Stevie G and Alan Shearer must have been employed on consultancy basis to school them on how to influence refs, cheat and dive:
Exhibit 1 - Prem game v us pre Covid. Harry Wilson screaming whenever a tackle is made. Rolling around on the floor. Constant diving from him and others. Not punished.
Exhibit 2 - Championship game the other week. The right back (Smith is it?), again screaming whenever a tackle is made. Threw himself to the floor several times. Ref bought every one. Same game Billing and Solanki, screaming and whimpering when tackled yet quite clearly leaving the foot in when they could.
It's quite clear from the lists above that they do this in every game and benefit from it. Absolutely nailed on cheats. Eddie Howe and Jason Tindalls legacy that. Such a shame that Championship refs are too weak to enforce the laws and rules of the game and the spirit in which it should be played.

 

[blade too long]

the game is awash with money more than when Wednesday players got sent down for betting and when Hans Segers did his audition for the weetabix ad at Everton
refs are classed as pros now and are well remunerated for their 3 hour shifts
but anyone thinks their pots arent occasionally sweetened by an occasional plain brown envelope are living in cloud cuckoo land

 

[Bladesthorpe]

the game is awash with money more than when Wednesday players got sent down for betting and when Hans Segers did his audition for the weetabix ad at Everton
refs are classed as pros now and are well remunerated for their 3 hour shifts
but anyone thinks their pots arent occasionally sweetened by an occasional plain brown envelope are living in cloud cuckoo land

You have proof to back up this accusation I assume.

 

[Champagneblade]

Just to add further to this almost blatant favoritism:

"The penalty is a tough one to take. Kieffer Moore should get sent off in the 73rd minute. I don't like moaning about refereeing decisions, but he's elbowed Flynn [Downes]."

So mark down a red card not given and another opportune pen given at the right time to squeeze them a result.

Do they authorities feel bad about ghost goal keeping Villa up and are trying to redress it or they all just fancy a nice retirement in lovely Sandbanks watching a bit of too flight football?

 

[Champagneblade]

Not a red apparently

 

[NuddysGloves]

Yep definitely should have been a red card but I don't think the penalty can go down as a dodgy decision? The defender has slid in and his arm is up in the air so it stops a cross, whether the ref was waiting with his whistle to his lips looking for any opportunity we'll never know but a penalty was the correct call.