Blades v Bury 1902

[Bladeybas]

Absolutely stunning shot of the Blades' crowd in 1902. Is your great grandad in there?

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Absolutely stunning shot of the Blades' crowd in 1902. Is your great grandad in there?

Possibly. I'm pretty confident my great grandma wasn't, though.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

I always knew Bill Foulkes was a big lad, but some of the outfield players had some girth on them too, is it Morren who looked as though he went to the same pie shop as our goalkeeper!

 

[Feo]

Went to school with Ernest Needhams grandson or great grandson (also called Ernest) He brought his granddads England cap in on "show and share day" ....

 

[Silent Blade]

Herbert Chapman played for us in that match

 

[Cheets]

Such a big crowd that's it's strange to think the club was only 13 years old at the time and the blokes in the footage wouldn't have had the love of the club passed down through the generations.

 

[Weasel]

Herbert Chapman played for us in that match

From Waleswood I believe - him and the family. Most of em came from a coal mining background. I bet Herbert thought he was the luckiest bleeder alive to work in top flight football rather than working down a pit for hours on end in the dark breathing in the coal dust.

 

[Doddyontheball]

Both my grandads could have been there!

 

[Silent Blade]

Such a big crowd that's it's strange to think the club was only 13 years old at the time and the blokes in the footage wouldn't have had the love of the club passed down through the generations.

My uncle told me that my mum's grandfather (1869-1954) was a Lane regular at the time!

 

[Treeton Blade]

Absolutely stunning shot of the Blades' crowd in 1902. Is your great grandad in there?

I think that`s him in the flat cap

 

[I should coco]

Absolutely stunning shot of the Blades' crowd in 1902. Is your great grandad in there?

No he was a pig, from a family of pigs, as was my grandad and his brothers.

Fortunately my dad saw sense.

From Waleswood I believe - him and the family.

Kiveton Park I think. I've met his nephew (Blade of course) and they are all very proud of the old lad.

 

[ShefRedandWhite]

Both my grandads could have been there!

How lovely of them to be out in such times! Can't have been easy!

 

[Jesus_was_a_Blade]

At what point did not wearing a hat become a thing then?
Every single bloke in that video is wearing one, how & why did this stop, genuinely interested...

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

I bet Herbert thought he was the luckiest bleeder alive to work in top flight football rather than working down a pit for hours on end in the dark breathing in the coal dust.

Hang on, everybody loves working dahn pit and getting black lung, and Thatcher was evil for destroying it all, and all Forest fans are scabs.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

At what point did not wearing a hat become a thing then?
Every single bloke in that video is wearing one, how & why did this stop, genuinely interested...

A mix of fashion trend, symbolism and peer pressures?
Of course that generation all wandered off like lemmings to the Western Front as well.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

A mix of fashion trend, symbolism and peer pressures?
Of course that generation all wandered off like lemmings to the Western Front as well.

Chuffing stupid, disrespectful and unnecessary comment in my opinion

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Chuffing stupid, disrespectful and unnecessary comment in my opinion

Ditto

 

[I should coco]

Of course that generation all wandered off like lemmings to the Western Front as well.

A poor choice of words there.

Nobody 'wandered' off, they did what seemed right for them at the time and their duty. They were all the braver for knowimn the level of losses and that they may well not come back.

From January 1916, all choice was removed when conscription was introduced.

BTW, you are wrong about lemmings too:
" Lemmings have become the subject of a widely popular misconception that they commit mass suicide when they migrate by jumping off cliffs. It is not a mass suicide but the result of their migratory behavior. Driven by strong biological urges, some species of lemmings may migrate in large groups when population density becomes too great. They can swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat. In such cases, many may drown if the body of water is so wide as to stretch their physical capabilities to the limit. This and the unexplained fluctuations in the population of Norwegian lemmings gave rise to the misconception"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

A poor choice of words there.

Nobody 'wandered' off, they did what seemed right for them at the time and their duty. They were all the braver for knowimn the level of losses and that they may well not come back.

From January 1916, all choice was removed when conscription was introduced.

BTW, you are wrong about lemmings too:
" Lemmings have become the subject of a widely popular misconception that they commit mass suicide when they migrate by jumping off cliffs. It is not a mass suicide but the result of their migratory behavior. Driven by strong biological urges, some species of lemmings may migrate in large groups when population density becomes too great. They can swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat. In such cases, many may drown if the body of water is so wide as to stretch their physical capabilities to the limit. This and the unexplained fluctuations in the population of Norwegian lemmings gave rise to the misconception"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

Oh dear we have someone else sold on duty and nationalistic bravery.
Not realising that they are just responding to a chemical response in the brain to a mass patriotic demand.
The same chemical in fact that drives mass migration in “lesser” mammals, or makes everyone feel left out if they don’t wear a flat cap.

 

[I should coco]

Oh dear we have someone else sold on duty and nationalistic bravery.

It was a different time and a different age.

Make your glib jibes if it makes you feel big, but you can't alter the fact that millions of men from all countries did what seemed right to them at the time. It may well have been their understanding of their 'duty', so it is not for you to mock it with the benfit of a 100 years of hindsight.

Not realising that they are just responding to a chemical response in the brain to a mass patriotic demand.

Presumably being a great scientist and putting it all down to a 'chemical response' absolves you of any need for gratttitude, sympathy or even an acknowledgement of their sacrifice.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Oh dear we have someone else sold on duty and nationalistic bravery.
Not realising that they are just responding to a chemical response in the brain to a mass patriotic demand.
The same chemical in fact that drives mass migration in “lesser” mammals, or makes everyone feel left out if they don’t wear a flat cap.

Is it all our armed forces who are lemmings then or just those who fought and died in WW1?

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Is it all our armed forces who are lemmings then or just those who fought and died in WW1?

We're all lemmings

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

At what point did not wearing a hat become a thing then?
Every single bloke in that video is wearing one, how & why did this stop, genuinely interested...

Don't know the broad answer for society as a whole, but I imagine for football putting a roof on the terraces will have helped. Standing out in the rain for 2 hours is not fun.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

We're all lemmings

If we were all lemmings, wouldn't everyone be agreeing with you?

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

It was a different time and a different age.

Make your glib jibes if it makes you feel big, but you can't alter the fact that millions of men from all countries did what seemed right to them at the time. It may well have been their understanding of their 'duty', so it is not for you to mock it with the benfit of a 100 years of hindsight.



Presumably being a great scientist and putting it all down to a 'chemical response' absolves you of any need for gratttitude, sympathy or even an acknowledgement of their sacrifice.

I'm sorry Coco, I didn't mean to upset you...but to answer your points:

1.Nothing has changed in 100 (or 10,000 years). The same principles of social coercion apply today.
2.There's no "mocking" on my part, just sympathy for being caught up in a conflict they couldn't avoid.
3.I'm no great scientist but I know we're just chemically fueled blobs of protoplasm carrying a DNA code through time for reasons not yet known. In fact everything we're talking about here is the social response designed to maintain the long term survival of that DNA message.
4.Sympathy yes (see .2) My gratitude and acknowledgment is mostly to the ones who see through the manipulation and are invariably shot for cowardice or treason or some other excuse invented to maintain the nation state. I'm sure I'll be first against the wall if the next mass conflict occurs in my life time.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

If we were all lemmings, wouldn't everyone be agreeing with you?

Nope. Some don't have the sense to know they're lemmings. That's also one of the necessary quirks of evolution.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I'm sorry Coco, I didn't mean to upset you...but to answer your points:

1.Nothing has changed in 100 (or 10,000 years). The same principles of social coercion apply today.
2.There's no "mocking" on my part, just sympathy for being caught up in a conflict they couldn't avoid.
3.I'm no great scientist but I know we're just chemically fueled blobs of protoplasm carrying a DNA code through time for reasons not yet known. In fact everything we're talking about here is the social response designed to maintain the long term survival of that DNA message.
4.Sympathy yes (see .2) My gratitude and acknowledgment is mostly to the ones who see through the manipulation and are invariably shot for cowardice or treason or some other excuse invented to maintain the nation state. I'm sure I'll be first against the wall if the next mass conflict occurs in my life time.

You originally said "Of course that generation all wandered off like lemmings to the Western Front as well"

Doesn't sound very sympathetic to me. Or that you were referring to all people and all generations.
Do you think we (as a nation) should have fought WW2 against Hitler or just let him conquer Europe and murder even more millions?

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

You originally said "Of course that generation all wandered off like lemmings to the Western Front as well"

Doesn't sound very sympathetic to me. Or that you were referring to all people and all generations.
Do you think we (as a nation) should have fought WW2 against Hitler or just let him conquer Europe and murder even more millions?

Yes, we're all lemmings (i.e. mammals driven by basic impulses). Although I'd say there's slightly more awareness today due to improved education, information flow, wealth distribution etc. You know the story...

I don't see WW2 as anything other than an extension of WW1, and that in itself is just an extension of the Napoleonic and Germanic conflicts of the previous century.
I think WW2 is nicely packaged for us so we can continue to believe we were simply fighting the evil of Hitler, thus justifying the slaughter.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Nope. Some don't have the sense to know they're lemmings. That's also one of the necessary quirks of evolution.

If the lemmings wandered off to the front in WW1, it sounds to me like the ones that don't have the sense to know they're lemmings are the smart ones.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

If the lemmings wandered off to the front in WW1, it sounds to me like the ones that don't have the sense to know they're lemmings are the smart ones.

You could be right Hodgy. Ignorance is bliss.