Blades should give thanks to the McCabes

[Pedro's Winger]

Only stat that counts is one year out of 18 in the top flight during the McCabe era.
Dress it up whichever way you like but that is very poor.
We're no better or worse off than Leeds or Wednesday who've been through all kinds of nonsense over the same period.
I like that he's a local owner but he hasn't succeeded.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Says the man who has a very weird obsession with all things McCabe.

In case Bert hadn't noticed, he's not a big fan of Bert's either.

 

[Sean Thornton]

If I may:



Superb. I await an update.



Really? I mean Really? The last ten seasons haven't shown much development and progression.



Yep. New stands and new pitch. Meanwhile, we languished in Div One. I mean, fill your boots looking at the ground an' all. But SUFC 2-3 Peterborough? Must have felt nice sitting in a nice stadium watching that.



How many didn't?



he's had to. If he didn't, one of his two main income streams (the other being player sales) would dry up.



Hired after we'd crashed out of the PL and sacked Warnock. Robson and Roboinson were McCabe's appointments, were they not?



Yep. And we had compensation for that, did we not? Where did that go then?



State them please.



Yep. Note, didn't sell key players and left Wilder to his own devices. NOTE: All players sold were previously ineffective for us and not part of Wilder's greater strategy.



Stability? Where?

Top flight? One season?

McCabe has admitted nothing (and who can blame him, looking at your summary 1771? You have effectively painted him coloured with a black and white brush there feller.

pommpey

Warnock wasn't sacked. This has been pointed out before.

 

[Bert]

In case Bert hadn't noticed, he's not a big fan of Bert's either.

Upsetting though it is, Bert will soldier on.

 

[PeteBlade]

200 post thread coming right up.

Saw the title, haven't read the responses yet, seen it's already 7 pages... should be fun.

Are Pompey and JJBlade in full flow yet?

 

[pommpey]

Warnock wasn't sacked. This has been pointed out before.

Yeah. Sure he wasn't.

Let's put it this way - he didn't 'resign'. The public message indicated so, but he didn't resign. His contract wasn't renewed, so effectively he was sacked. Its difficult to imagine even McCabe sacking him had we stayed up.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yeah. Sure he wasn't.

Let's put it this way - he didn't 'resign'. The public message indicated so, but he didn't resign. His contract wasn't renewed, so effectively he was sacked. Its difficult to imagine even McCabe sacking him had we stayed up.

pommpey

Well either Colin told porkies or you're wrong. Perish the thought.

His contract would have ended 30 June btw.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sheff_utd/6659513.stm

 

[Tyler Durden]

Saw the title, haven't read the responses yet, seen it's already 7 pages... should be fun.

Are Pompey and JJBlade in full flow yet?

Well JJ is busy giving his usual light-hearted whimsical analysis on the Bolton thread. Not seen him much lately, but then again we haven't lost many games lately either.

 

[pommpey]

Of course it's a deflection. Jeez. You're the one dodging a simple question.

You're still banging on about the same thing just adding more and more every post.

Do you agree with the £41m or can't you bring yourself to commit to a figure that may come back to haunt you? You post repeatedly about transfers, bad decisions etc etc but steer well clear of any actual financials in case it doesn't suit in future.

And you are focussing on £41m, as if it washes everything else away. Again, I am not disputing he has invested. Again, I say he has invested to protect his investment, moreso than the magnanimity (there ya go, another big word for you) everyone farts happy about in this thread.

If the club went to the wall, al of that would be blown apart. His investment, £41m and all. So he's protecting his end of things, rather than standing like Jesus with two Fletchers Large and half a stone of halibut from the Castle Market.

The figure ... whether it be £41 or £41m won't come back to haunt me Sean. You show me where £41m has been invested in Sheffield United Football Club, in particular, the playing staff, in the past 18 months. If you can't, then you are just 'reading figures' which makes you as blind as it does disingenuous ... which is where McCabe seemingly always has been.

pommpey

 

[Tyler Durden]

Warnock wasn't sacked. This has been pointed out before.

Correct.

Although we should've sacked him in November 2005 when he was derailing our promotion bid with his contract-related shit-stirring.

 

[I should coco]

The figure ... whether it be £41 or £41m won't come back to haunt me Sean. You show me where £41m has been invested in Sheffield United Football Club, in particular, the playing staff, in the past 18 months. If you can't, then you are just 'reading figures' which makes you as blind as it does disingenuous ... which is where McCabe seemingly always has been.

He can't 'show' yo, because the vast bulk has gone on player and manager wages. I suspect you already know this but you are being a WUM.

'Investment' in football is like not other business other than the supermarkets 'investing' in price cuts. It simply means spending money.

This is clearly becoming a circular argument and now you've conceded to Sean Thornton's £41m you probably regret it and are mischief making. What do you want him to show you as 'proof'? Payslips, P60s and PAYE returns, which of course you know he has no access to?

Anyhow this dog can't be arsed with this particular bone, so I'm out.

Good luck Sean Thornton

 

[pommpey]

Well either Colin told porkies or you're wrong. Perish the thought.

His contract would have ended 30 June btw.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sheff_utd/6659513.stm

Hah. 'Official versions' and 'statements made'. So, every BBC report is 100% nailed on and straight from the horses mouth, huh?

Strange. Because he seemed pretty animated about his treatment in his book, Made in Sheffield. It's not to hand, but I recall him saying some unpleasant things about the way he was treated.

pommpey

 

[Hartley Hare]

Well said Hodgy. I agree with your OP.

I am a well known clapper and I am glad to be out of the closet.

HH

 

[Tyler Durden]

Hah. 'Official versions' and 'statements made'. So, every BBC report is 100% nailed on and straight from the horses mouth, huh?

Strange. Because he seemed pretty animated about his treatment in his book, Made in Sheffield. It's not to hand, but I recall him saying some unpleasant things about the way he was treated.

pommpey

But then again, using Colins words as an authoritative account on any event will always put you on pretty shakey ground.

 

[pommpey]

He can't 'show' yo, because the vast bulk has gone on player and manager wages. I suspect you already know this but you are being a WUM.

Prove it. You've said it. I am assuming you are in the know. Or is it an assumption? Okay, here's one. We are signing Cristiano Ronaldo and Antoine Griezmann next week. I mean, I have no proof of that, but I assume it's correct because it seems that way and I have said it.

For you to deride me for not accepting Sean's £41m blue pill and then come out with 'it was all spent on this and that' is breathtakingly hypocritical.

'Investment' in football is like not other business other than the supermarkets 'investing' in price cuts. It simply means spending money.

Yeah. Where's it been spent? You obviously know, down to the last penny.

This is clearly becoming a circular argument and now you've conceded to Sean Thornton's £41m you probably regret it and are mischief making. What do you want him to show you as 'proof'? Payslips, P60s and PAYE returns, which of course you know he has no access to?

Well - there's the 'online accounts', isn't there?

Anyhow this dog can't be arsed with this particular bone, so I'm out.

Cheers for your input.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Hah. 'Official versions' and 'statements made'. So, every BBC report is 100% nailed on and straight from the horses mouth, huh?

Strange. Because he seemed pretty animated about his treatment in his book, Made in Sheffield. It's not to hand, but I recall him saying some unpleasant things about the way he was treated.

Well JJ is busy giving his usual light-hearted whimsical analysis on the Bolton thread. Not seen him much lately, but then again we haven't lost many games lately either.

You won't see him at United games. He plays golf now instead.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Hah. 'Official versions' and 'statements made'. So, every BBC report is 100% nailed on and straight from the horses mouth, huh?

Strange. Because he seemed pretty animated about his treatment in his book, Made in Sheffield. It's not to hand, but I recall him saying some unpleasant things about the way he was treated.

pommpey

Doesn't he say he resigned in his autobiography ? Or isn't he 100% "accurate" himself when it counts.

Bloody BBC, making things up......

 

[pommpey]

But then again, using Colins words as an authoritative account on any event will always put you on pretty shakey ground.

Or his biog, which, IIRC, told another story.

See, there's "Neil, I am not renewing your contract. We've been relegated, you're out, there's a small payoff, and there's also a 'kkep your gob shut' clause in your contract which you have to fulfil. Press statement has been prepared, good luck and thanks."

Of course, Warnock is not Wilson, or Clough, or Adkins, or any of the other sackees McCabe has expensively* hired and binned in the remainder years, is he? Which is why he'll never come back to BDTBL while McCabe is there.

*wonder why none have commented on their failures and ignominious exits from BDTBL?

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Correct.

Although we should've sacked him in November 2005 when he was derailing our promotion bid with his contract-related shit-stirring.

Never said it. Made up. You know what the press are like.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Or his biog, which, IIRC, told another story.

See, there's "Neil, I am not renewing your contract. We've been relegated, you're out, there's a small payoff, and there's also a 'kkep your gob shut' clause in your contract which you have to fulfil. Press statement has been prepared, good luck and thanks."

Of course, Warnock is not Wilson, or Clough, or Adkins, or any of the other sackees McCabe has expensively* hired and binned in the remainder years, is he? Which is why he'll never come back to BDTBL while McCabe is there.

*wonder why none have commented on their failures and ignominious exits from BDTBL?

pommpey

Ah. So THATS true, but nothing else is. Got it now.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Or his biog, which, IIRC, told another story.

See, there's "Neil, I am not renewing your contract. We've been relegated, you're out, there's a small payoff, and there's also a 'kkep your gob shut' clause in your contract which you have to fulfil. Press statement has been prepared, good luck and thanks."

Of course, Warnock is not Wilson, or Clough, or Adkins, or any of the other sackees McCabe has expensively* hired and binned in the remainder years, is he? Which is why he'll never come back to BDTBL while McCabe is there.

*wonder why none have commented on their failures and ignominious exits from BDTBL?

pommpey

The conversation went to Warnock, initiated by you actually. If you wanted to bring the others into it, you should have.

Which ones would you have kept on in your wisdom?

 

[Espania blade]

I may have missed it elsewhere, but has anyone gave a vote of thanks to the McCabes for keeping our United financially afloat for all these years yet? Their financial contribution, claimed to be around £100 Million and their careful custodianship of the Club & Ground should not be overlooked and taken for granted. When you contrast that with the recent state of affairs at S6:
rust bucket stadium
spending silly money on duff players
ridiculous ticket prices to pay for them

Some of the Dolphin Killer's predecessors weren't anywhere as good as that having to regularly get their begging bowl out to the Banks for years and years.

There has been some decisions made at earlier stages that were less than perfect but not many complained at the time when Robson, Adams, Clough & Atkins were appointed, indeed most of those topped our opinion polls on who should be appointed. With hindsight, a lot of people got those wrong too.
If anyone thinks that they could have done better, they were in hiding for a long time while George was looking for new investors.

Be thankful and grateful to the McCabes for what they have already done & hope that their involvement doesn't come to a total end soon.

Maybe a chant at our next home game of "They are some of our own, some of our own,McCabes are some of our own" Wouldn't go amiss.

If the McCabe family do sell out to the "Arab Prince" then i sincerely hope they do a better job than the "Arab owner" that owns Malaga FC,
they are going the same way as Coventry - destroying a once great club.

Some of our supporters need to think about what they wish for.

UTB

 

[itsinyerblood]

If the McCabe family do sell out to the "Arab Prince" then i sincerely hope they do a better job than the "Arab owner" that owns Malaga FC,
they are going the same way as Coventry - destroying a once great club.

Some of our supporters need to think about what they wish for.

UTB

Doesn't that assume that having an Arab owner signifies disaster?

The term Arab seems to have become a generic phrase, so what about the owners of Manchester City or PSG? Hardly in need of the begging bowl are they.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Or his biog, which, IIRC, told another story.

See, there's "Neil, I am not renewing your contract. We've been relegated, you're out, there's a small payoff, and there's also a 'kkep your gob shut' clause in your contract which you have to fulfil. Press statement has been prepared, good luck and thanks."

Of course, Warnock is not Wilson, or Clough, or Adkins, or any of the other sackees McCabe has expensively* hired and binned in the remainder years, is he? Which is why he'll never come back to BDTBL while McCabe is there.

*wonder why none have commented on their failures and ignominious exits from BDTBL?

pommpey

Well, assuming a Keep Your Gob Shut clause did exist, it would be a perfectly sound course of action as far as I can see.

Warnock has cast plenty of aspersions on people throughout the years, including just about every club owner he's worked under. He can do that because playing the outspoken "maverick" figure keeps him in the spotlight, which is his number one priority.
He didn't keep his gob shut in 2005 when he was crowing about his contract extension and trying to fuck off to Portsmouth with his "beloved Blades" top of the table. The team never regained top spot after that, and pretty much stumbled to 2nd place.
McCabes handling of Warnock and his bullshit during that period was, if anything a masterclass in restraint.

If we never see Warnock here again then all the better. He's done fuck-all except tacitly snipe at us ever since he left anyway.

 

[Sean Thornton]

And you are focussing on £41m, as if it washes everything else away. Again, I am not disputing he has invested. Again, I say he has invested to protect his investment, moreso than the magnanimity (there ya go, another big word for you) everyone farts happy about in this thread.

If the club went to the wall, al of that would be blown apart. His investment, £41m and all. So he's protecting his end of things, rather than standing like Jesus with two Fletchers Large and half a stone of halibut from the Castle Market.

The figure ... whether it be £41 or £41m won't come back to haunt me Sean. You show me where £41m has been invested in Sheffield United Football Club, in particular, the playing staff, in the past 18 months. If you can't, then you are just 'reading figures' which makes you as blind as it does disingenuous ... which is where McCabe seemingly always has been.

pommpey

See you are making that claim again which is a misrepresentation of what I've said. Why do you do that?

So alongside that deliberate, and childish, act you now move the goalposts to "investment in playing staff" at which point, l can't be bothered any more after this.

£41m is a fact. It cuts you to the quick and you cant even bring yourself to envisage it let alone accept it, so you obfuscate.

There's none so blind as them that don't want to see as my old Gran used to say.

If your obsession with McCabe and his failures is so all consuming that you duck dive deflect and misrepresent then get on with it. It won't make you happy though. It certainly hasn't up to date has it?

 

[pommpey]

The conversation went to Warnock, initiated by you actually. If you wanted to bring the others into it, you should have.

No. I mentioned him being sacked. You countered that. We are still debating that.

Which ones would you have kept on in your wisdom?

Take your pick from Blackwell (gone, mysteriously at the beginning of the season when it was apparent there was nothing coming in terms of real player 'investment'), Wilson (gone, at the end of the season when 'investment' showed serious weaknesses in key areas, namely up front), or Clough (gone, at the end of the season when 'investment' showed serious weaknesses in key areas, namely at the back, in midfield and up front)

Either way, we progressively go worse and dropped down the leagues, did we not?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

See you are making that claim again which is a misrepresentation of what I've said. Why do you do that?

So alongside that deliberate, and childish, act you now move the goalposts to "investment in playing staff" at which point, l can't be bothered any more after this.

£41m is a fact. It cuts you to the quick and you cant even bring yourself to envisage it let alone accept it, so you obfuscate.

There's none so blind as them that don't want to see as my old Gran used to say.

If your obsession with McCabe and his failures is so all consuming that you duck dive deflect and misrepresent then get on with it. It won't make you happy though. It certainly hasn't up to date has it?

Says Mr Smoke and Mirrors.

Me: Let's not get too bone on about McCabe. He's fucked it up over ten years and lucked out with Wilder.

You: £41m

Where's the problem there, Sean? What don't YOU understand?

Or is the answer a Douglas Adamsesque '£41m'?

And speaking of chicanery (god, the big words just flow, don't they?) you've failed to explain that if McCabe has invested that much, where's it gone? It's a bit of a tall claim for so little demonstrable (wow!) productivity (yey!)

pommpey

ps: at the bottom of your produced 'official' BBC splash -

McCabe also revealed the club would not rush into appointing a successor.

"We want to take a considered view as part of the transformation and shaping of one of the best clubs in the land," he stated.

"Exciting times and further challenges lie ahead, on and off the field, and the new manager will have a full part to play."

 

[Sean Thornton]

No. I mentioned him being sacked. You countered that. We are still debating that.



Take your pick from Blackwell (gone, mysteriously at the beginning of the season when it was apparent there was nothing coming in terms of real player 'investment'), Wilson (gone, at the end of the season when 'investment' showed serious weaknesses in key areas, namely up front), or Clough (gone, at the end of the season when 'investment' showed serious weaknesses in key areas, namely at the back, in midfield and up front)

Either way, we progressively go worse and dropped down the leagues, did we not?

pommpey

You aren't asking questions, you're making statements that I've not disagreed with save for Colin not being sacked.

Oddly enough you've yet again missed out the bit you darent comment on, so finally, I'm out this time and I'll leave you to your Jack Torrance style typing. Stay safe and don't go into the maze.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Says Mr Smoke and Mirrors.

Me: Let's not get too bone on about McCabe. He's fucked it up over ten years and lucked out with Wilder.

You: £41m

Where's the problem there, Sean? What don't YOU understand?

Or is the answer a Douglas Adamsesque '£41m'?

pommpey

I'm surprised you can look in a mirror.

Yes.
Lucked out? Of course, it can only be thus.


Why I reply to an obsessive Nutjob? Honestly, I'd stay clear of you on a bus.

41m times the question was dodged


Bye.

 

[pommpey]

I'm surprised you can look in a mirror.

Yes.
Lucked out? Of course, it can only be thus.


Why I reply to an obsessive Nutjob? Honestly, I'd stay clear of you on a bus.

41m times the question was dodged


Bye.

Are you okay, Sean? I mean the 'obsessive nutjob' was a departure from your usual, reasoned, one-track response.

You want me to say 'what', exactly? Okay "McCabe invested £41m". There you go. Are you happy?

It still doesn't satisfy the OP and his "Let's all wank on Kevin" schtick, and you are dodging the 'where has it all gone?' question with your inimitable, incoherent, barely understandable, almost Corbynesque slalom.

If you're not gonna answer that one I understand. It's because you can't. Like many of the questions these debates boil down to on here - the 'proof of the Desso', the 'WWF knows the transfer budget' and now you with your 'where's it all gone?' it seems people just don't properly think it all through before engaging fingertips on keypad.

If you can just dig out the stuff about investment in the team over the past 18 months, I'll be grateful. It will, after all reinforce the £41m tag-line you grasp onto.

pommpey