Blades Loss of £6M in 2016/17 ?

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These are actually Scarborough Group’s recent accounts but it’s Blades mentions which are pertinent and there isn’t a section for “Weer’s Fooking Munneh Gone”.

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/...7bqHfCbxLeKKKAVZ/CGXmpO0t78gg+DH0OoYo3s670AU=

Scarborough have gone back into a Loss of £1.9M after making a small profit last year. This is largely due to them sustaining a loss of £3M on SUFC. I’m assuming Kev subsidises half our losses and the Prince the other half so it’s a loss of £6M in total. Scarborough reports to Feb 2017 whereas Blades Leisure report to May 2017 but I believe the £6M loss figure is probably fairly accurate.

“Suffice to say the profile and success of SUFC is balanced again alongside the financial losses incurred in investing to gain promotion still with the ultimate aim of getting the Blades back into the Premier League. As most readers will be aware players’ wages, transfer fees and agents’ commissions are forever escalating and thus like it or not, ambitious clubs still tend to be run on a benefactor model rather than the desired ultimate aim of self-sustainability.”

However, profit/loss isn’t the main measure of Scarborough’s year. They’ve sold 40% of their Leeds Thorpe Park company and paid off a load more debt so increasing Net Assets from £20M to £35M so the McCabe family are not on their uppers but growing very nicely. None of us can ever imagine such wealth but I think they’ve already signalled that they aren’t wealthy enough to chuck massive funds at United to gain promotion.

The other Blades mention is that the Cherry Street corner development should start in late 2017 for completion late 2018.

Without going into all the back story, I for one am grateful to McCabe and the Prince for the continued finance and finally getting the winning formula via Chris Wilder’s appointment.

Lights blue touch paper and walks away ………………………………….
 



These are actually Scarborough Group’s recent accounts but it’s Blades mentions which are pertinent and there isn’t a section for “Weer’s Fooking Munneh Gone”.

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-prod/docs/7QXRGdTI7GGptVn5KWSLTfH_4Ilr32vGZmLHSjmjQiI/application-pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=ASIAI74EMD7FAP4ORGQA&Expires=1510934038&Signature=J8iX96BnxNCUbYOeq95WLH/Cze8=&x-amz-security-token=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

Scarborough have gone back into a Loss of £1.9M after making a small profit last year. This is largely due to them sustaining a loss of £3M on SUFC. I’m assuming Kev subsidises half our losses and the Prince the other half so it’s a loss of £6M in total. Scarborough reports to Feb 2017 whereas Blades Leisure report to May 2017 but I believe the £6M loss figure is probably fairly accurate.

“Suffice to say the profile and success of SUFC is balanced again alongside the financial losses incurred in investing to gain promotion still with the ultimate aim of getting the Blades back into the Premier League. As most readers will be aware players’ wages, transfer fees and agents’ commissions are forever escalating and thus like it or not, ambitious clubs still tend to be run on a benefactor model rather than the desired ultimate aim of self-sustainability.”

However, profit/loss isn’t the main measure of Scarborough’s year. They’ve sold 40% of their Leeds Thorpe Park company and paid off a load more debt so increasing Net Assets from £20M to £35M so the McCabe family are not on their uppers but growing very nicely. None of us can ever imagine such wealth but I think they’ve already signalled that they aren’t wealthy enough to chuck massive funds at United to gain promotion.

The other Blades mention is that the Cherry Street corner development should start in late 2017 for completion late 2018.

Without going into all the back story, I for one am grateful to McCabe and the Prince for the continued finance and finally getting the winning formula via Chris Wilder’s appointment.

Lights blue touch paper and walks away ………………………………….

No need to walk away mate, your sentiment is accurate and probably shared by sensible Blades everywhere. The most pertinent point, one that can't be answered at the moment, is who will eventually succeed KM? The often used phrase, "Be careful who you wish for", comes to mind.

Although not that many at the moment, there are real horror stories about owners who neglect and abuse their clubs, so a heavy burden of responsibility on Kev's shoulders when the day comes and he wishes to step back from his interest in the club. Let's hope it's a forward thinking owner who wants to support CW and make Bramall Lane an even better ground than it currently is (nudge towards the Kop).
 
These are actually Scarborough Group’s recent accounts but it’s Blades mentions which are pertinent and there isn’t a section for “Weer’s Fooking Munneh Gone”.

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-prod/docs/7QXRGdTI7GGptVn5KWSLTfH_4Ilr32vGZmLHSjmjQiI/application-pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=ASIAI74EMD7FAP4ORGQA&Expires=1510934038&Signature=J8iX96BnxNCUbYOeq95WLH/Cze8=&x-amz-security-token=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

Scarborough have gone back into a Loss of £1.9M after making a small profit last year. This is largely due to them sustaining a loss of £3M on SUFC. I’m assuming Kev subsidises half our losses and the Prince the other half so it’s a loss of £6M in total. Scarborough reports to Feb 2017 whereas Blades Leisure report to May 2017 but I believe the £6M loss figure is probably fairly accurate.

“Suffice to say the profile and success of SUFC is balanced again alongside the financial losses incurred in investing to gain promotion still with the ultimate aim of getting the Blades back into the Premier League. As most readers will be aware players’ wages, transfer fees and agents’ commissions are forever escalating and thus like it or not, ambitious clubs still tend to be run on a benefactor model rather than the desired ultimate aim of self-sustainability.”

However, profit/loss isn’t the main measure of Scarborough’s year. They’ve sold 40% of their Leeds Thorpe Park company and paid off a load more debt so increasing Net Assets from £20M to £35M so the McCabe family are not on their uppers but growing very nicely. None of us can ever imagine such wealth but I think they’ve already signalled that they aren’t wealthy enough to chuck massive funds at United to gain promotion.

The other Blades mention is that the Cherry Street corner development should start in late 2017 for completion late 2018.

Without going into all the back story, I for one am grateful to McCabe and the Prince for the continued finance and finally getting the winning formula via Chris Wilder’s appointment.

Lights blue touch paper and walks away ………………………………….

Which accounts are these? Which company?

Without seeing them I'd guess they've written off investment rather than funding losses.
 
Which accounts are these? Which company?

Without seeing them I'd guess they've written off investment rather than funding losses.
Scarborough Group International which ultimately owns 50% of Blades Leisure and therefore makes commentary on the losses incurred in that subsidiary because it tipped them into a loss.
 
Its complicated, I'm not an accountant and don't pretend to understand it all but from what I can make out Kevin's side also put in 2.6 million of new share capital in June 2017 into Blades Leisure and presumably so did the Prince. Like many footy clubs we also make a loss and these appear to some extent to be offset by loans from the chain of parent companies, not unreasonable. Bottom line is Kevin and the Prince appear to be putting in many millions each year which I am very thankful for. Nothing to suggest anyone is taking chunks of money out of the club nor justify questions of where's the money gone in my view.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00396956/filing-history
 
http://priceoffootball.com/sheffield-united-crushed-by-the-wheels-of-industry/

Introduction

We’ve always considered Sheffield United to be a big club. Whether that’s due to Tony Currie being a favourite player when I was a kid, Brian Deane scoring the first ever Premier League goal, or Sean Bean’s very public support of the club, we’ve always been well supported, with a decent stadium, so one would expect them to be in the top two divisions.

It’s therefore a surprise to see that it took the Blades six years to return to the Championship, since being relegated in 2011...etc
 
"In addition to this the club showed an impairment of £614,000 during 2016/17. An impairment arises when a club signs a player for a fee, and then realises he is rubbish (or has a career ending injury) and has to write his value down in the accounts. Who this player was for 2016/17 has not been disclosed in the accounts."

Anyone? Have to hurry you ...

:)

pommpey
 



"In addition to this the club showed an impairment of £614,000 during 2016/17. An impairment arises when a club signs a player for a fee, and then realises he is rubbish (or has a career ending injury) and has to write his value down in the accounts. Who this player was for 2016/17 has not been disclosed in the accounts."

Anyone? Have to hurry you ...

:)

pommpey

Hammond?
 
Is it true that there is a Desso pitch holdings plc, which owns the grass surface and charges ‘sprinklers and hoses’ ltd £500k a game for the rights to watering and the football club £1 million a game for the right to play on it?
 
Is it true that there is a Desso pitch holdings plc, which owns the grass surface and charges ‘sprinklers and hoses’ ltd £500k a game for the rights to watering and the football club £1 million a game for the right to play on it?


Bollocks. Scott, keep your gob shut!
 
Is it true that there is a Desso pitch holdings plc, which owns the grass surface and charges ‘sprinklers and hoses’ ltd £500k a game for the rights to watering and the football club £1 million a game for the right to play on it?

Yeah. I've heard that. Sean told me.

pommpey
 
Hammond was on loan so he wouldn't appear as an intangible asset.

More likely a player still at the club at the balance sheet date. Who could that be?

He was on loan originally but didn't we have an agreement to sign him permanently after his loan finished?
This was the contract that meant we had to pay him to leave when Wilder (rightly) decided he didn't want him.
Maybe we therefore valued him highly as an asset on the balance sheet?

If not him, the other candidates might be Woolford, Hussey, Wilson? Maybe it's a few different players?
 
He was on loan originally but didn't we have an agreement to sign him permanently after his loan finished?
This was the contract that meant we had to pay him to leave when Wilder (rightly) decided he didn't want him.
Maybe we therefore valued him highly as an asset on the balance sheet?

If not him, the other candidates might be Woolford, Hussey, Wilson? Maybe it's a few different players?


Additions to ( and disposals from) Intangible assets relate to transfer fees. If you get Rid before the year end it affects profit or loss on player disposals.

It could be a decision to write down Brayfords value as he was still under contract at the year end.
 
Hammond was on loan so he wouldn't appear as an intangible asset.

More likely a player still at the club at the balance sheet date. Who could that be?

Didn't he activate a permanent contract clause which cost us munneh to get out of?

pommpey
 
Impairment (financial reporting)
An Impairment cost must be included under expenses when the book value of an assetexceeds the recoverable amount. Impairment of assets is the diminishing in quality, strength amount, or value of an asset.
 



Additions to ( and disposals from) Intangible assets relate to transfer fees. If you get Rid before the year end it affects profit or loss on player disposals.

It could be a decision to write down Brayfords value as he was still under contract at the year end.
My initial thought was Brayford.
 

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