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Don't want to get into this argument again but 'early bird' prices imply that you are getting a better deal by purchasing early. It was never stated that this could be the only opportunity to buy season tickets.
Agreed, but the club could hardly envisage that 26000 ST's would sell straight away, and, there was also plenty of time to buy one, so it hardly made it a "fiasco" did it.
The tickets were there to be bought, if people didn't take the opportunity to buy them, then the club are hardly to blame for that, it's not as if they were only on sale for a couple of days, supporters had weeks.
 

Not sure how big this issue is...find it hard to believe myself....and maybe it deserves its own thread

Talksport had ticket tout expert on yesterday and he was saying touting is becoming a worrying disease within the PL.
He mentioned that at many PL grounds many grounds are only 75% full even when they are official sell outs.

He mentioned that there is a massive demand for one-off Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd matches where rich people in the UK and abroad or happy to spend £1000 plus for a single ticket. He said there are now gangs signing up as members and season ticket holders using false ID’s. Mentioned that these gangs even use sophisticated software to set up false ID’s and memberships at club, so it enables them to move in and make a killing for the big matches.
He also said they’ve found evidence that season ticket holders are being paid a lot of money by touts to buy additional tickets under the friends and family scheme.

Said that genuine fans are really struggling to buy tickets because a millionaire will buy their son a ticket for a match that has officially sold out.
He mentioned that big touting organisations from Europe are now targeting PL to take control of tickets distribution.
He infered that tout organisations will even buy season tickets for, say £500, then sell it on for £1000 a time when that team plays Man U and Liverpool.
So for 80% of matches the seat will be empty and not available for sale preventing genuine fans from attending.

Makes me wonder if SU have got wind of this, so are trying to protect genuine fans by making it so difficult for neutrals to buy tickets.
 
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My problem is with people who act like it was tremendous value last season. Think I paid £29 for a concession ticket for my Dad when we played Villa.

It's been too expensive for donkey's years, it's a bit more expensive this season but that's to be expected.

Anything they can do when we're hopefully an established PL team and sponsorship cash is rolling in I'll take gratefully, but I'll give them a bye this season, think they've done alright with what has been thrown at them.
 
Again with this line.
Even given the issues and restrictions we had less than 2,000 tickets available on Thursday morning. As soon as it was opened up the vast majority were gone within the day.

There was actually excessive demand for tickets, it was just that due to the new system fans couldn’t get hold of them. It was a problem the club hit and then successfully resolved.
The club could also have sold many more season tickets if allowed.

The facts do not support the statement that we struggled to sell out due to cost in anyone’s logic, unless you’re pushing your own agenda.


"The club could also have sold many more season tickets if allowed".


No Bob, the club has made a balls of it, irrespective of any rules and regulations they have to operate under.

I'm still wondering why anyone would wait until after the early bird deadline to renew their ST, financial considerations aside.
 
My 'line' is there has been needless greed from the club over ticket prices and the membership scheme given the club's income.
We didn't need to squeeze even more money out of supporters, it was just unnecessary and counter-productive.

Haven't you been saying a similar thing for some time now? Not all of a sudden we're in the PL?
 
It’s not a fact. Fans are entitled to say we have cheaper tickets than most, but it’s inaccurate to say we have the cheapest tickets in the league. It’s not the first time I’ve seen this said this week either.

Anyone cheaper than £286 for SS ST for over 60?

Genuine question.
 
It is an indisputable fact that they have messed up the membership scheme, the Palace tickets, the sale of season tickets and charging us more than the away fans.
Hopefully they will learn and deal with it.


The membership scheme/500 points system is a shambles. Irrespective of that, the overall lack of demand for Palace tickets makes you wonder why some are demanding a 45k stadium now. Is it really the cost of membership keeping thousands and thousands away from the first home game of the season? It could be, but it's not provable.
 
The membership scheme/500 points system is a shambles. Irrespective of that, the overall lack of demand for Palace tickets makes you wonder why some are demanding a 45k stadium now. Is it really the cost of membership keeping thousands and thousands away from the first home game of the season? It could be, but it's not provable.

I think being on a Sunday and just generally being expensive is behind any unsold tickets which may remain.

Casual "aye I'll pop down for the first game" types aren't going to stump up £35 and up.
 
I love the Blades with all my heart and last season was one of the best in living memory. I’ve seen two other promotions to the top flight, and last season’s could have been the most exciting I have witnessed. I have huge respect for CW and the players who achieved promotion against the odds, and this is not a gripe at them. Most of the club’s employees are good people too. But I think there’s something rotten creeping in, something that’s driving a big wedge between the club and the fans.

In general, great wealth changes people for the worst. The more money you have, the more you want to retain it and acquire more. This applies to organizations too. When they can afford it, people and companies hire professionals, lawyers and PR people, not to engage with customers, but to brush them aside and avoid criticism.

OK, some things are now dictated by the PL. But in general, United’s attitude to the fans this season has been appalling. It has been that of rich company seeking to protect its assets and increase its wealth above anything else. The season ticket early bird fiasco, moving loyal season ticket holders without speaking to them first, the blatant rip off that is the membership scheme, the Palace ticketing fiasco, making Palace a Cat A game and charging our fans on the kop more than the away fans are just a few examples. Even worse is the terse responses to emails and the corporate-speak in the official communication. It stinks.

I can’t believe McCabe is responsible for this. His regime has been characterized by fair prices and good communication with the fans. I can only imagine that his power is now limited and someone else now has the final say when it comes to pricing, PR and communication.

The facts can’t be avoided. The club is really fucking up its relationship with the fans big time. Loyalty and tradition are taking a back seat to the practice of screwing as much money as possible out of the fans.

We’re currently acting worse than Wednesday under Chansiri, and it’s leaving a bitter taste in my mouth
Why would first home game in the top division, for the first time in 12 years not be a Cat A fixture?
 
Our club probably has the cheapest season ticket prices in the league and one of the cheapest match ticket prices in the division. We are also the cheapest in our city amongst the major clubs. The so called 'season ticket fiasco' only happened because of the unprecedented take up from our fans which left the club with no choice.
The opinion I've seen espoused that revenue from the PL should go towards subsiding tickets is so naive it's untrue. How are we supposed to compete on the pitch when we're the only team doing this? Norwich are unique in the fact they have huge debts, so have waved the white flag off the pitch before a ball has been kicked. 'Match day prices will remain the same but we aren't investing in wages or transfer fees' is the tacit agreement between club and fanbase. Their season tickets (the majority of tickets sold by NCFC and SUFC) are also substantially higher at Norwich. Always read the small print.
The club shop voucher issue works out better for families. I've got four opportunities at getting 20% off, rather than getting 10% off for the duration of the season. It's not true that everyone loses.
The membership scheme needs clarifying and has clearly been an abortion thus far.Surely these fans get priority over general sale? There also needs to be a mechanism for fans to get unsold tickets on general sale. What people aren't recognising is that these measures have been put in place to ensure genuine fans get tickets, rather than touts.
PS. Agree with the moving of season ticket holders without prior consultation being an example of bad practice.
 
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As I posted the other day:

Well thankfully the club have reversed their ticketing decision enabling more fans to go to the game this Sunday.

However this only adds to a worrying trend that has taken some of the shine/goodwill off SUFC.

1. Programs going up to £3.50 = Yes it's the first increase since 2004, and I don't buy them, but is it really necessary? How much more money are the club going to make off this across the season? Let's be generous and say 10,000 are sold a game (assuming none stop buying them), that's around £90,000 extra a season, chicken feed for the club. That's £9 extra season per fan, some of whom will be lucky to be paid that per hour in difficult economic times. Are there any extra costs attached in making the program? Are the new features really worth it? Posting this out on Twitter with a smiling face isn't exactly endearing either.

2. Prices for food/drink increasing = Now I appreciate that this is only a rumour from another thread, but again the same sort of formula/questions applies to first point. There have been complaints for years about the quality/speed of service I await to hear whether it will be up to scratch this time, and also whether the cashless policy is a success.

3. Cost of football shirts= This is more tricky as there are regulations with sponsors etc. However it's undeniable that more and more fans are getting fake replica shirts at a quarter of the price, and who can blame them? I don't condone it but again I ask, do they really have to be so expensive?

4. The ticketing fiasco. Firstly the membership card for £40 which appears by all accounts to be completely pointless and a rip-off as doesn't have any clear benefits. Then denying legitimate fans the chance to get in. They corrected the 500 point minimum policy (better late than never) but then used the club statement not to apologize/acknowledge their mistake towards those affected, but rather appear to put it on Crystal Palace for not selling out. We should have sorted this out weeks ago. Also the ticket office... it's understaffed and the staff that are there are often overwhelmed. No-one should blame the staff on the front line, they appear to be put out on a limb with no support except to rigidly stick to the script their managers (who are never available) give them.

The club may have benefited financially from our promotion, but we as fans haven't. Sheffield isn't the most affluent city in the country, just because you might be able to get away with these increases doesn't mean you should.

The fans have stuck with this club through the dark ages in League One and have arguably kept it afloat (someone who knows the accounts well can correct me), and I would have thought some of the super huge money we've got from TV/sponsorship deals could/would be set aside to freeze prices or at the very least not to charge people more than you need to.

There is much that the club has done right and should be/have been commended for, however I just wonder if this has either bred a little bit of complacency and/or neglect in some areas. I appreciate the ownership issue isn't very helpful but I can't see how it significantly affects these areas.

SUFC are lucky that football isn't like supermarkets where customers don't switch easily from Tescos to Lidl for example. However should these trends continue, and the other football teams in the region get a bit more savvy, you could see long term loss towards them from the next generation.

This sums up my take on this subject perfectly:

'It seems Bayern Munich - by popular opinion the best team in Europe right now - can do little wrong off the pitch either. The Bavarian giants have some of the cheapest season tickets anywhere in the world, with an adult one in the standing section at the Allianz Arena costing just £104.

'In the soundbite, from last year, he says: 'We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income but what's £2m to us?

'In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan.

'We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody.'

I can only guess figures, but I would imagine that whatever increase/profit we'll get from food/drink/shirt/program will not be significant to the overall financial status of the club but will have a more significant financial impact on each fan.

If we're losing lower-income fans that's a loss to our club and our ethos. Some will say 'that's tough' and 'so be it' but for me that's a shame, I wouldn't want us to become like Manchester United in that regard (taking it to the extreme but you will see my point).
 
Our club probably has the cheapest season ticket prices in the league

I believe we have the cheapest average season ticket in the league, which is something to be applauded. There are other teams that will have cheaper season tickets than us in individual categories.
 

I think being on a Sunday and just generally being expensive is behind any unsold tickets which may remain.

Casual "aye I'll pop down for the first game" types aren't going to stump up £35 and up.

Sunday banjaxes it for me due to family stuff, if it was Satdi, I’d be there.
 
As I posted the other day:

Well thankfully the club have reversed their ticketing decision enabling more fans to go to the game this Sunday.

However this only adds to a worrying trend that has taken some of the shine/goodwill off SUFC.

1. Programs going up to £3.50 = Yes it's the first increase since 2004, and I don't buy them, but is it really necessary? How much more money are the club going to make off this across the season? Let's be generous and say 10,000 are sold a game (assuming none stop buying them), that's around £90,000 extra a season, chicken feed for the club. That's £9 extra season per fan, some of whom will be lucky to be paid that per hour in difficult economic times. Are there any extra costs attached in making the program? Are the new features really worth it? Posting this out on Twitter with a smiling face isn't exactly endearing either.

2. Prices for food/drink increasing = Now I appreciate that this is only a rumour from another thread, but again the same sort of formula/questions applies to first point. There have been complaints for years about the quality/speed of service I await to hear whether it will be up to scratch this time, and also whether the cashless policy is a success.

3. Cost of football shirts= This is more tricky as there are regulations with sponsors etc. However it's undeniable that more and more fans are getting fake replica shirts at a quarter of the price, and who can blame them? I don't condone it but again I ask, do they really have to be so expensive?

4. The ticketing fiasco. Firstly the membership card for £40 which appears by all accounts to be completely pointless and a rip-off as doesn't have any clear benefits. Then denying legitimate fans the chance to get in. They corrected the 500 point minimum policy (better late than never) but then used the club statement not to apologize/acknowledge their mistake towards those affected, but rather appear to put it on Crystal Palace for not selling out. We should have sorted this out weeks ago. Also the ticket office... it's understaffed and the staff that are there are often overwhelmed. No-one should blame the staff on the front line, they appear to be put out on a limb with no support except to rigidly stick to the script their managers (who are never available) give them.

The club may have benefited financially from our promotion, but we as fans haven't. Sheffield isn't the most affluent city in the country, just because you might be able to get away with these increases doesn't mean you should.

The fans have stuck with this club through the dark ages in League One and have arguably kept it afloat (someone who knows the accounts well can correct me), and I would have thought some of the super huge money we've got from TV/sponsorship deals could/would be set aside to freeze prices or at the very least not to charge people more than you need to.

There is much that the club has done right and should be/have been commended for, however I just wonder if this has either bred a little bit of complacency and/or neglect in some areas. I appreciate the ownership issue isn't very helpful but I can't see how it significantly affects these areas.

SUFC are lucky that football isn't like supermarkets where customers don't switch easily from Tescos to Lidl for example. However should these trends continue, and the other football teams in the region get a bit more savvy, you could see long term loss towards them from the next generation.

This sums up my take on this subject perfectly:

'It seems Bayern Munich - by popular opinion the best team in Europe right now - can do little wrong off the pitch either. The Bavarian giants have some of the cheapest season tickets anywhere in the world, with an adult one in the standing section at the Allianz Arena costing just £104.

'In the soundbite, from last year, he says: 'We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income but what's £2m to us?

'In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan.

'We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody.'

I can only guess figures, but I would imagine that whatever increase/profit we'll get from food/drink/shirt/program will not be significant to the overall financial status of the club but will have a more significant financial impact on each fan.

If we're losing lower-income fans that's a loss to our club and our ethos. Some will say 'that's tough' and 'so be it' but for me that's a shame, I wouldn't want us to become like Manchester United in that regard (taking it to the extreme but you will see my point).


1. People can refuse to buy. But, bigger programme page wise and I don't believe printing costs would have remained the same for fifteen years. Daft argument.

2. Same again. Don't buy overpriced poor quality products in the ground. Many don't. When did your local last hold prices for a year without any increase whatsoever.

3. What's the profit margin? Gave Adidas increased prices to us? Another poster says the shirts are improved.

4. Membership scheme is a shambles. Who is blaming Palace fans? Have the club said this?
How many times have you phoned the ticket office and asked for a manager? It must be more than once as you say they are "never" available. Mind saying what the problem was?

A comparison with Bayern Munich? Why not post ALL the ticket prices for their games and then compare all of ours, not just the cheapest?

The club has built the attending fan base on reasonable pricing. (For some years, 2?, kids ST's were free) Comparisons show it's cheaper than most.

Last week we were attracting more fans, now they're going to go elsewhere. Arse uppards argument, as they used to say.

FMBlade1 said:
"Shocking isn't it. Our club becoming more successful on the pitch is attracting more support from off the pitch. Perhaps we should go back down to League 1 with 14,000 attendances where the 'true' Blades are"

I don't remember you complaining when the club was reportedly spunking money on Ched Evans wages.
 
1. People can refuse to buy. But, bigger programme page wise and I don't believe printing costs would have remained the same for fifteen years. Daft argument.

2. Same again. Don't buy overpriced poor quality products in the ground. Many don't. When did your local last hold prices for a year without any increase whatsoever.

3. What's the profit margin? Gave Adidas increased prices to us? Another poster says the shirts are improved.

4. Membership scheme is a shambles. Who is blaming Palace fans? Have the club said this?
How many times have you phoned the ticket office and asked for a manager? It must be more than once as you say they are "never" available. Mind saying what the problem was?

A comparison with Bayern Munich? Why not post ALL the ticket prices for their games and then compare all of ours, not just the cheapest?

The club has built the attending fan base on reasonable pricing. (For some years, 2?, kids ST's were free) Comparisons show it's cheaper than most.

Last week we were attracting more fans, now they're going to go elsewhere. Arse uppards argument, as they used to say.

FMBlade1 said:
"Shocking isn't it. Our club becoming more successful on the pitch is attracting more support from off the pitch. Perhaps we should go back down to League 1 with 14,000 attendances where the 'true' Blades are"

I don't remember you complaining when the club was reportedly spunking money on Ched Evans wages.

Also on 2, that photo was from the Rod Stewart concert I believe, so we don't actually know if prices have gone up.
 
As I posted the other day:

Well thankfully the club have reversed their ticketing decision enabling more fans to go to the game this Sunday.

However this only adds to a worrying trend that has taken some of the shine/goodwill off SUFC.

1. Programs going up to £3.50 = Yes it's the first increase since 2004, and I don't buy them, but is it really necessary? How much more money are the club going to make off this across the season? Let's be generous and say 10,000 are sold a game (assuming none stop buying them), that's around £90,000 extra a season, chicken feed for the club. That's £9 extra season per fan, some of whom will be lucky to be paid that per hour in difficult economic times. Are there any extra costs attached in making the program? Are the new features really worth it? Posting this out on Twitter with a smiling face isn't exactly endearing either.

2. Prices for food/drink increasing = Now I appreciate that this is only a rumour from another thread, but again the same sort of formula/questions applies to first point. There have been complaints for years about the quality/speed of service I await to hear whether it will be up to scratch this time, and also whether the cashless policy is a success.

3. Cost of football shirts= This is more tricky as there are regulations with sponsors etc. However it's undeniable that more and more fans are getting fake replica shirts at a quarter of the price, and who can blame them? I don't condone it but again I ask, do they really have to be so expensive?

4. The ticketing fiasco. Firstly the membership card for £40 which appears by all accounts to be completely pointless and a rip-off as doesn't have any clear benefits. Then denying legitimate fans the chance to get in. They corrected the 500 point minimum policy (better late than never) but then used the club statement not to apologize/acknowledge their mistake towards those affected, but rather appear to put it on Crystal Palace for not selling out. We should have sorted this out weeks ago. Also the ticket office... it's understaffed and the staff that are there are often overwhelmed. No-one should blame the staff on the front line, they appear to be put out on a limb with no support except to rigidly stick to the script their managers (who are never available) give them.

The club may have benefited financially from our promotion, but we as fans haven't. Sheffield isn't the most affluent city in the country, just because you might be able to get away with these increases doesn't mean you should.

The fans have stuck with this club through the dark ages in League One and have arguably kept it afloat (someone who knows the accounts well can correct me), and I would have thought some of the super huge money we've got from TV/sponsorship deals could/would be set aside to freeze prices or at the very least not to charge people more than you need to.

There is much that the club has done right and should be/have been commended for, however I just wonder if this has either bred a little bit of complacency and/or neglect in some areas. I appreciate the ownership issue isn't very helpful but I can't see how it significantly affects these areas.

SUFC are lucky that football isn't like supermarkets where customers don't switch easily from Tescos to Lidl for example. However should these trends continue, and the other football teams in the region get a bit more savvy, you could see long term loss towards them from the next generation.

This sums up my take on this subject perfectly:

'It seems Bayern Munich - by popular opinion the best team in Europe right now - can do little wrong off the pitch either. The Bavarian giants have some of the cheapest season tickets anywhere in the world, with an adult one in the standing section at the Allianz Arena costing just £104.

'In the soundbite, from last year, he says: 'We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income but what's £2m to us?

'In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan.

'We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody.'

I can only guess figures, but I would imagine that whatever increase/profit we'll get from food/drink/shirt/program will not be significant to the overall financial status of the club but will have a more significant financial impact on each fan.

If we're losing lower-income fans that's a loss to our club and our ethos. Some will say 'that's tough' and 'so be it' but for me that's a shame, I wouldn't want us to become like Manchester United in that regard (taking it to the extreme but you will see my point).

I agree with your post but sadly I've lived long enough to know what type of world we live in, certainly in the western world, and I fully expected everything you've mentioned to happen. The club will maximise their income wherever possible but as fans we don't have to buy the shirts or the programmes - I don't. I don't like how these used to be for two seasons but are now for one only. I wonder if we'll ever see shirts changing mid season - it could happen at some point.

The German league is a great model but sadly the PL doesn't have the same ethos and the player wages here are higher than in the Bundesliga. On the plus side, we genuinely have the best league in the world but on the negative side we pay for it and it could be different in terms of the ticket prices because the last Sky deal was so large that ticket prices don't need to be high but did anyone really think that we'd have prices in the £20's for tickets? I certainly didn't - although we'll charge £29 a handful of times this season if we're lucky.
 
I love the Blades with all my heart and last season was one of the best in living memory. I’ve seen two other promotions to the top flight, and last season’s could have been the most exciting I have witnessed. I have huge respect for CW and the players who achieved promotion against the odds, and this is not a gripe at them. Most of the club’s employees are good people too. But I think there’s something rotten creeping in, something that’s driving a big wedge between the club and the fans.

In general, great wealth changes people for the worst. The more money you have, the more you want to retain it and acquire more. This applies to organizations too. When they can afford it, people and companies hire professionals, lawyers and PR people, not to engage with customers, but to brush them aside and avoid criticism.

OK, some things are now dictated by the PL. But in general, United’s attitude to the fans this season has been appalling. It has been that of rich company seeking to protect its assets and increase its wealth above anything else. The season ticket early bird fiasco, moving loyal season ticket holders without speaking to them first, the blatant rip off that is the membership scheme, the Palace ticketing fiasco, making Palace a Cat A game and charging our fans on the kop more than the away fans are just a few examples. Even worse is the terse responses to emails and the corporate-speak in the official communication. It stinks.

I can’t believe McCabe is responsible for this. His regime has been characterized by fair prices and good communication with the fans. I can only imagine that his power is now limited and someone else now has the final say when it comes to pricing, PR and communication.

The facts can’t be avoided. The club is really fucking up its relationship with the fans big time. Loyalty and tradition are taking a back seat to the practice of screwing as much money as possible out of the fans.

We’re currently acting worse than Wednesday under Chansiri, and it’s leaving a bitter taste in my mouth
Have a snickers 😜
 
Leicester City £280 over 65s renewal price in their family stand. They’ve frozen their prices for several years now.

So you think a couple of quid saving at 65 is better than a couple of quid more at 60.
I'm proud my club call it 5 years sooner.
 
When I read this last night, I thought the OP was OTT, then when asking a mate if we would meet tomorrow and said he was not going 70 quid for him and his misses was too much esspecially with another match next week.

It is easy for us who are fortunate enough to have got in early with season tickets (which are exceptional value) or have higher than average disposable income. Now my mate is on better than average income, but obviously 140 in two weeks is too much. This is a shame and I guess there are many priced out of the Lane, which is a shame, not sure if this is more a general football issue than a blades issue.

If the match is not a sell out the club do need to learn the lesson. 35 quid on the kop is too much for palace and how we release tickets does make it difficult for mates to go together. When we need to make it easy!
 
I ferking hate it when they do that, i get mi kidney punch shotgun out and knock em of their perches in the trees....can't stand out of tune birds.....and as for ferking bouncing fowls in trees they get both ferking barrels......

I saw an out of tune bird for several years, a Jock in a Frock she was.....dreadful singer.
 
So you think a couple of quid saving at 65 is better than a couple of quid more at 60.
I'm proud my club call it 5 years sooner.

I didn’t say that – and I agree that it’s good that we offer a concession price at 60, as 65 seems standard for the league (I’ve not seen any other clubs offering that for the 60-64 group).
 

When I read this last night, I thought the OP was OTT, then when asking a mate if we would meet tomorrow and said he was not going 70 quid for him and his misses was too much esspecially with another match next week.

It is easy for us who are fortunate enough to have got in early with season tickets (which are exceptional value) or have higher than average disposable income. Now my mate is on better than average income, but obviously 140 in two weeks is too much. This is a shame and I guess there are many priced out of the Lane, which is a shame, not sure if this is more a general football issue than a blades issue.

If the match is not a sell out the club do need to learn the lesson. 35 quid on the kop is too much for palace and how we release tickets does make it difficult for mates to go together. When we need to make it easy!

It's shite but as I've said on this thread elsewhere, it was the same last season so I don't know why people are getting worked up about it as though it's PL greed. The tickets were cheaper but it was still not far off £70 for a couple of tickets, now it's just over, then just under.

The categories were bullshit and still are, the prices were too high and still are, but hurr durr Premier League greed.
 

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