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pommpey said:
And in that, we are effectively playing with ten men. Imagine if Berge hauled his head out of his arse and actually turned it on. The results since he has returned back from injury are in spite of him rather than because of him. There's no doubt he has buckets of talent, just not in a Sheffield United shirt and playing for us.

pommpey
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He is a CM, if he isn’t turning it on and creating a dozen chances then Norwood is as guilty and Doyle and Mcatee as guilty

And if you are expecting one a CM to be the creative spark every week just because he cost a bit then you have a problem
 

BushBlade said:
With hindsight, we should have sold him last summer. If we’d have got £15m, that would have been enough to bring in a couple more than we did, who’d have probably contributed more than he has.
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Agree with your observations on Berge, up to this point. Had we sold Berge, we were bringing in Kone (£5m).
We undoubtedly would have been weaker for doing so.
 
I must be missing something with Berge as I just don't understand how he can play centre midfield when he is so one footed.
His best periods playing for us is when he is attacking down the right, keeping the defenders on his left and the ball on his right. His upper body strength is superb and defenders just bounce off him. He can't do that going down the left.
Hecky swapped sides with Berge and McAtee against Stoke and then moved them back again because Berge kept getting robbed too easily. When he plays on the left he keeps the ball on his right which is the open side and makes it too easy to get the ball off him.
We've seen it time and time again with his shooting, if it's on his left he tends to balloon it. Against Stoke it was a sitter, at a crucial time in the game and he missed it.
Iliman shows how much of a talent he is because I'm still not sure when it comes to shooting which is his favourite foot.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Agree with your observations on Berge, up to this point. Had we sold Berge, we were bringing in Kone (£5m).
We undoubtedly would have been weaker for doing so.
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But we could have brought someone else in with the rest of the money or used it in this window.
 
BushBlade said:
But we could have brought someone else in with the rest of the money or used it in this window.
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The rest of the money wasn't going to be made available. Heckingbottom said words to that effect around the time.
If we could have used the full fee, I'd agree with you (in hindsight). Burnley's midfield, which is excellent, probably cost less than that combined.
 
SwindonBladeJnr said:
Elaborate, I'm all ears.

The very fact you responded answers my question. If you think thats acceptable, you carry on. As someone who lost money, forgive me for not feeling apologetic.

Explain how it is that I need to get a life big man.
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What you on about? Any issues pm me or ring/meet me. Everything was sorted. Confused.
 
pommpey said:
And in that, we are effectively playing with ten men. Imagine if Berge hauled his head out of his arse and actually turned it on. The results since he has returned back from injury are in spite of him rather than because of him. There's no doubt he has buckets of talent, just not in a Sheffield United shirt and playing for us.

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SwindonBladeJnr said:
I'll hold my hands up, I was very drunk last night and in a bad mood. There was no need for my posts and you are right, everything is sorted and no need to bring it up.

Sorry mate - hope you're good.
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Contrition isn’t the forum way.
You should back yourself into a corner and double down on abuse until you’ve called everyone a cunt and got a ban.
 
pommpey said:
Ta



Not at all. McBurnie got whellbarrows load of shit for quite some time. He was dismal. Shithousing, out of position, chucking himself on the deck and winding up the officials. That, when he wasn't injured. And now he's injured again.



How we are playing at the moment is grinding out hard earned results to sustain up clear in the automatics. Be a lot less 'ground out' if our champions league/europa/Norways biggest talent player got his head out of his arse and started shitting tiffany cufflinks, like you portray the reputation he supposedly has. The fucker is struggling to impose on second string English league teams. Fuck knows what he'll be like against the elite next year if we go up.

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Mcburnie was torn one for having no talent and useless. You could see that it was our style of play and not his ability that was making him struggle. Lumping long balls forward for him to flick on (which he won most the time). Whenever he had the ball to feet you could see he had ability. We just chose to play in a 1 dimensional system when he was on that didn't utilise all his assets.

Same with berge, lad wants the ball on the deck and to keep possession ticking over. Really hard for him to impact when a lot of our players default to launching balls forward that bypass the midfield altogether. He’s not a ball winning player. If we want the best out him and other players then we need to play to strengths. For him we need to play it to his feet and if i’m being critical of him he needs to bust a gut to find space for team mates to find him.

Like you say we’ve been grinding out results and not playing the way we can for half the current season or more. He suits a possession based system which at the moment we’re not really playing.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
The rest of the money wasn't going to be made available. Heckingbottom said words to that effect around the time.
If we could have used the full fee, I'd agree with you (in hindsight). Burnley's midfield, which is excellent, probably cost less than that combined.
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Where would it go then? If money was required for running costs, how did we square up the cash flow forecast? Or did PA know we’d run out of cash half way through the season?
 

BushBlade said:
Where would it go then? If money was required for running costs, how did we square up the cash flow forecast? Or did PA know we’d run out of cash half way through the season?
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I'm not privy to the accounts, but it was widely reported we needed to fill a £40m hole post-relegation and expected to sell Ramsdale and Berge.
Presume it would have been shovelled into there.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
I'm not privy to the accounts, but it was widely reported we needed to fill a £40m hole post-relegation and expected to sell Ramsdale and Berge.
Presume it would have been shovelled into there.
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It was widely reported that our income was significantly reduced by relegation. The £40m deficit has never been demonstrated as far as I’m aware. If it were correct, we would have lost at least £10m last season, because we didn’t get £40m for Ramsdale. Are you now saying PA has put another £10m into the club to cover it?

As you say, you aren’t privy to the accounts, nor are you privy to our transfer plans. If you don’t think we’d have spent any more than £5m, fine, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it but if you post your opinion as a factual statement, based on some comment Hecky made (who speaks more bollocks than Johnson), then I’m going to have to contradict you.
 
BushBlade said:
It was widely reported that our income was significantly reduced by relegation. The £40m deficit has never been demonstrated as far as I’m aware. If it were correct, we would have lost at least £10m last season, because we didn’t get £40m for Ramsdale. Are you now saying PA has put another £10m into the club to cover it?

As you say, you aren’t privy to the accounts, nor are you privy to our transfer plans. If you don’t think we’d have spent any more than £5m, fine, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it but if you post your opinion as a factual statement, based on some comment Hecky made (who speaks more bollocks than Johnson), then I’m going to have to contradict you.
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Fair enough, I just read back and I should have started my sentences with phrases like "Reportedly..." etc. so as to not have stated it as fact.

So to be clear, I assume a budgetary hole still exists and that the Prince hasn't put any of his own money in to fill it.
And I also assume, especially given the recent reports coming re: our financial situation, that the £5m we were given to replace Berge would have been the lot.
Otherwise, I think we would have been more ambitious with our replacement. We had all Summer to consider it...

But as you say, it is just me reading between the lines from what is available in the public domain.
I did not mean to sound condescending if that was how it came across.

*nobody lies more than Johnson.
 
I have not given up on the big man , he was great pre injury and he will play himself back into form and be great again.
 
I think Berge is the best player at the club, but he's got to pull his socks up and start playing to his ability, or his career will not realise its full potential.

I would say with us its a bit of frustration from fans because when he's on it he's unplayable especially in this division, but he's an enigma and this could go either way, he's just as likely to go injured again as he is to start finding some form.

This kind of player should be driving us on as the star of the show, but he's miles off the performance levels required at this point in time.

I'd start Doyle in front of him Friday night.

Just my opinion.
 
SUFCinks said:
Same with berge, lad wants the ball on the deck and to keep possession ticking over. Really hard for him to impact when a lot of our players default to launching balls forward that bypass the midfield altogether. He’s not a ball winning player. If we want the best out him and other players then we need to play to strengths. For him we need to play it to his feet and if i’m being critical of him he needs to bust a gut to find space for team mates to find him.
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And yet, during this period where Berge is (once again) struggling, apparently for the reasons you state, James Mcatee has been flourishing alongside him. A non physical, small, nimble, tidy footballer who couldn't possibly be flourishing if we played in the way you suggest.

This continual apologizing for Berge's failures is now beyond daft.
 
alcoblade said:
And yet, during this period where Berge is (once again) struggling, apparently for the reasons you state, James Mcatee has been flourishing alongside him. A non physical, small, nimble, tidy footballer who couldn't possibly be flourishing if we played in the way you suggest.

This continual apologizing for Berge's failures is now beyond daft.
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Someone please compile a list of all the excuses used in this thread. Never before have there been so many for the same player.
 
Bottom line,why do Hecky play him week in week out. As I imagine our coaching team know a few things about how a team works there must be some reasoning behind him playing 90 minutes most games. He,s been less efficient on the ball since returning,off the ball he might be better than it looks as eyes are on the ball in a game. He do create 2-3 chances every game when on the right.
 
Guesty said:
Nearly everyone who has said "disinterested" means "uninterested".

Someone in another thread was doing the Lord's work by correcting the phrase to "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" so I feel I should do my bit too.
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Interestingly, although a more pedantic view of the word “disinterested” insists that its meaning is “without a vested interest”, (and this may have been its sole original meaning), it is now so often used as a word meaning “not interested in” that you will find it listed as synonymous with “uninterested” in most modern dictionaries. Pretty interesting stuff eh? :)
 
He's carrying an injury
He's coming back from injury
He's being played out of position
Our system doesn't suit him
The other players we have are too shit......

These are amongst the list of excuses I have to read time and time again, week after week.

Now someone, probably more than one of you, thinks he's "the best player at the club". What are the people who view our games actually watching?

I think that after 3 years I can come to a sensible, objective verdict on Sander Berge, and it is this. He has some ability, and when he shows that ability he can be very effective. He doesn't give the ball away very often, but mostly he elects for simple passes that aren't hurting the other team. Better that than presenting it to an opponent, though.

The main problem is, and surely most people can see this, he plays his A-game in 10 or 15 minute spells. Often we're lucky if there's more than one of those periods in a match. A truly exceptional midfield player would not do that, they would be continually involved. If we compare with Gibbs-White last season and Ndiaye this, there is no comparison, and they're not even exceptional (yet). They were also forwards and it's often harder for them to get into games.

I don't fault his effort or willingness in the long spells where he withdraws to the margins of the game and you forget he's there. I think he's doing the best he can, it's just not enough.

He's been linked with who? Liverpool? Roma? I'd love to see what happens if he's in a midfield presided over by Klopp or Mourinho. He'd be hooked quicker than Cosmo Smallpiece.
 

If anyone’s got something new to this debate, please post it. 15 pages of, essentially, the same arguments, for and against, starts to get a little dull.
 
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