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Jan Age said:
Out:

Illy £18?
Sander £12?

Total £30?

In:

Traore £4?
Hamer £14?
Souza £9?
Silmane £1.5?
Larouchi £1 loan fee?
Trusty £5
Davies Free

Total £34.5?

Complete guesses but that’s a net £4.5 spend based on sales leaving £15.5 of our original budget on transfers / and I believe we are told wages were separate.

This is why Origi makes sense as he would come mainly from the wages part as would another loan from the prem.

This would leave a large chunk of change for a striker say £12mil and is probably why Archer is out at the minute.

But based on my ramblings 3 more signings should be achievable and are desperately needed.
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Problem with laying them out like that is you are just going on some of the reported fees alone. I’ve separately seen Hamer = Ndiaye = 15m and Berge = Souza. If so that already puts your net at around 12m.

Each of these deals attract agent fees and each other these players will have received a signing on fee, especially someone like Davies who is ‘free’.

So I’m sure you can whack an extra 5-10m on top of any net figure you arrive at, meaning the ‘we’ve hardly spent anything’ narrative of net 4.5m could well be as much as 20m+!
 

8lade said:
Are they on the edge with FFP? This would certainly muddy the waters.
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Apparently so, but don't know for sure.

I don't listen to Jimmy much but apparently he was saying he was told Villa need to sell but the lad they were going to sell got injured

So basically Archer has to be moved on.
 
Davalon said:
Why would Villa agree to this?

Take off the Blades blind faith and rose tinted specs and they're quite likely paying us to have their player for a season with a slight chance they get 18 mill.

Surely there's better options out there for them.

But hey if true, you don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Due to FFP I think they need to sell and for a decent price. I suspect that is why they were holding out for as much as they could get.

I think they are over the average of £50m losses over three years so need to recoup some cash.

www.claretandhugh.info

UEFA FFP loses club by club compared - West Ham News:

www.claretandhugh.info www.claretandhugh.info
 
T-Blade said:
The main worry for us has always been we don’t want another Brewster situation this way we cover ourselves. I guess the catch is until we’re safe from relegation long term he’s not our player.
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Not really that much of a catch imo, given that we end up with the best part of £20 million to spend on a replacement.
 
ekke287 said:
Is that supposed to be written by a professional writer? It doesn’t read very well even if it’s only headlines.
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I'm going to say he banged it out without much thought so he was the one 'breaking it'.
 
T-Blade said:
The main worry for us has always been we don’t want another Brewster situation this way we cover ourselves. I guess the catch is until we’re safe from relegation long term he’s not our player.
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Is the Nixon article accurate then?
 
AaronSufc said:
If we stay up would the buy back change? Or will it then not apply?
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I would assume that if we go down, he stays at the 18m mark for Villa to buyback. Maybe slightly inflated.

If we stay up and he has attained a certain amount of goals, the agreement may have stipulated that his price increases for Villa.
 
Lord Eddard Muir said:
Wasn't Akpom our top striker choice?
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I question Hecky’s judgement if of all the striker options he was wanting to spend 12m on one who is 28 almost.

But then again he also wanted soon to be 38 year old Sharp. What use would he have been on the pitch at this level?

If anything I think PA and the Board have done a bit of saving Hecky from himself if that was his judgment.
 
Rifleman said:
Don’t be surprised to see our business is done until jan, Hecky isn’t a happy bunny at the minute. He’s still seething about Akpom.
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Pretty sure Akpom never indicated he wanted to join us,it wasn’t the fee or personal terms,the other interested clubs were far more attractive than us.We are going to be in a battle to stay up this season and he wasn’t up for the fight.
 

Champagneblade said:
I question Hecky’s judgement if of all the striker options he was wanting to spend 12m on one who is 28 almost.

But then again he also wanted soon to be 38 year old Sharp. What use would he have been on the pitch at this level?

If anything I think PA and the Board have done a bit of saving Hecky from himself if that was his judgment.
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When we brought on Hackford and brookes my thought was what wouldn't we have given for billy's hold up play now. Could have been a well earned point!
 
Davalon said:
Why would Villa agree to this?

Take off the Blades blind faith and rose tinted specs and they're quite likely paying us to have their player for a season with a slight chance they get 18 mill.

Surely there's better options out there for them.

But hey if true, you don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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You'd think they'd at least leave it until deadline day

If they've willingly agreed to this it's bloody frustrating we couldn't have done it a week ago. Because then we probably beat Forest

But at least we're getting him. It had started to look in doubt. We've also given ourselves a bigger incentive to stay up
 
Gin&Juice said:
It’s funny that people pining for ITKs lap it up when it’s positive, but when it’s not what they want to hear, they decide it’s a crock of shit. Funny.
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Another point which people fail to grasp.

Let’s say Rifleman is Hecky, it would still only a matter of time before info would be wrong.
Thats the point with transfer business, it can change from 1 hour to the next.

Think anyone with ITK info should be encouraged not ridiculed when they get it wrong.
However all ITK info, even the very best with the latest inside info, should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Any info given in good faith is really appreciated…so thank you Rocket and Rifle.
 
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AnstonBlade1 said:
Wouldn’t be surprised at all at no more permanent incomings, expecting a couple of loans on deadline day or there abouts.
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There’s no need to think the worse.
The current squad is getting relegated….bringing in 1 or 2 loans still means we’ll probably be relegated.
Why would someone (The Prince) wanting to sell a business deliberately try to lower its value.

Nothing has changed..…we’re still in the market to significantly improve the current squad.
Whether we get the 1st choice players is another matter…thankfully Bettis and co are staying calm and patient
but even if they fail we have back up plans in place….so we’re still bringing in several players…no matter what.
 
Lord Eddard Muir said:
Stunning turn of events if that's right - sounds too good to be true. If we stay up it'll mean Archer has proved himself and we've got him for a decent price, if we go down we essentially had him for free for a year and Villa give us a modest top-up on the parachute payment. What's the catch?!
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It’s called a win…win…win deal……only needed a bit of imagination.

We’re happy, Villa are happy and the player is happy….
What ever happens…..all 3 parties to the deal see more advantages than disadvantages.
 
Sheffsteel said:
It’s called a win…win…win deal……only needed a bit of imagination.

We’re happy, Villa are happy and the player is happy….
What ever happens…..all 3 parties to the deal see more advantages than disadvantages.
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Kind of, but it's not a win win for Villa if he proves to be shit in the Premier League.

Effectively this is what I was talking about on another thread...a sell back clause for us....but its the first time I've seen a deal that on paper seems to favour the buyer and not the seller. If he's good we keep him and have an appreciating asset and if he's not we sell him back at a 2m profit.

I'm assuming there must be a buyback clause in there for Villa in case he's a raging success? If not this is as good a deal as we've ever done
 
Rifleman said:
Don’t be surprised to see our business is done until jan, Hecky isn’t a happy bunny at the minute. He’s still seething about Akpom.
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Looks like the Archer deal is almost done. Your days as an ITK member are numbered.
Ps Are you Fallowfield in disguise?
 

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