Bash Porter all you want........

[sheffielder]

Who would believe that 3rd division Sheffield United would recruit any players that another side at some stage were willing to sell?

We all want better, but praising a performance on it's merits is our problem? I think not.

Fully appreciate what you're saying in the 2nd part Foxy, however we need to stop lording these players on good performances when they are the exception and not the norm. I think it's just a sign of how bad things have been to be honest.

If Porter goes on to play well over a number of games and scores/creates goals then I will tip my hat.

 

[Bladesman]

Fully appreciate what you're saying in the 2nd part Foxy, however we need to stop lording these players on good performances when they are the exception and not the norm. I think it's just a sign of how bad things have been to be honest.

If Porter goes on to play well over a number of games and scores/creates goals then I will tip my hat.

Exactly its if he showed any kind of consistency that would help and he has had enough chances to shine. He may get a good run in the team a long side Miller and things might change for him and change my view of him. I doubt that though but would like to be proved wrong considering how shit things are at the moment.

 

[alcoblade]

He is excellent in the air. He wins a massive amount of headers and flick ons.

I meant in terms of goal scoring threat. Overall, he isn't a very good target man either, just the best we've got.

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[highpeakblade]

So what's going to happen on Saturday is that Porter will be dropped for King and most of you are going to not happy by the sounds of it. I don't want either as like Pinchy I like my football with gravy.

I am all for Baxter myself, however has anyone thought that Taylor and Miller would do together. Taylor's pace and running the channels could make some space for Miller.

The fact that people are high fiving Porter for having a good game against Colchester after missing 2 easy chances and scoring a penalty is the reason why this club is where it is. It's not just Porter though, Hill gets free passes for having good games but people forget the fuck ups that lead to goals in nearly every game.

In my years of watching United this is the lowest we have ever been, yet people want to accept watching shit players because some of them work hard.

It's already been said that Taylor can not hold the ball up and lacks the physical side, Miller puts the effort in on the physical side of things but isn't the biggest of lads therefore for me I don't know about them two up front because I strongly believe that in a league like this you do need that physical element and yes I think you need a target man because the football isn't always going to be pretty especially on some of these pitches in the winter when they have cut up a bit.

Marlon King could have potentially been terrific for us if hhad the fitness and actually looked like he wanted to play for us. Porter is the best we have at doing this and it works when he's in there so why change what isn't broken? That team from yesterday should start next week for me. Don't change it.

 

[Kenilworth]

In 2003 we had The Chief (Wayne Allison). He was not a prolific scorer of goals (7 in 73 games for us I think) but he made the team work because of his hold up play. His hard work created opportunies for others to exploit. I see Porter in a similar role to The Chief - although not quite as effective by comparison but we have already witnessed from the early part of this campaign that it's especially important in this division where quality is at a premium.

The Porter Miller combination seems to be effective. My advice would be to go with it for a while and see how many goals we can score as a team - Lord knows, the number of chances created during the first 12 games of the season (inc cups) was woefully inadequate.

Even if Porter's only contribution is to get Miller back into the groove it will be well worth it.

 

[sitwell]

Who gives a shit who scores as long as the team does ?

 

[alcoblade]

Who gives a shit who scores as long as the team does ?

Seemingly every manager that's had Porter in the squad after dropping him.



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[LSF]

If Porter was as shite as Alco's gang reckon, he'd have plied his trade in Conference North the past ten years ....don't you think?

 

[alcoblade]

If Porter was as shite as Alco's gang reckon, he'd have plied his trade in Conference North the past ten years ....don't you think?

I've got a gang now? Wow.

I'd say he's a lower third or fourth division player.

The controversy is lost on me. The facts speak for themselves. A striker who barely scores. The only talking point is why "your gang" keep needing to see "my gang" proved right, time after time after time......

 

[SandyMcBlade]

McDonald for some reason was about the worst player I've seen in front of goal, that's when he'd shoot mostly he'd lay it off to some one else thank god, but every body loved him because that wasn't his job, his job was to set it up for others to score..
Porter for me is the same kind of player but in the box, not the midfield, and because he does work well in that area creating space people expecting him to score if the opportunity arises , but like McD. for some reason it's painful to watch...
I think what has made it look worse is that some managers have played him as a lone striker and it will never happen, it's not his game, but I'd like to bet if you play a goal poacher along side him in the penalty area he'll get plenty of goal chances..
It's like Cresswell and Evens, you need some one to set em up so the other one can knock them down, and for me Porter is a very good setteruppera but a rubbish knockerdownera...

 

[billyblademan]

McDonald for some reason was about the worst player I've seen in front of goal, that's when he'd shoot mostly he'd lay it off to some one else thank god, but every body loved him because that wasn't his job, his job was to set it up for others to score..
Porter for me is the same kind of player but in the box, not the midfield, and because he does work well in that area creating space people expecting him to score if the opportunity arises , but like McD. for some reason it's painful to watch...
I think what has made it look worse is that some managers have played him as a lone striker and it will never happen, it's not his game, but I'd like to bet if you play a goal poacher along side him in the penalty area he'll get plenty of goal chances..
It's like Cresswell and Evens, you need some one to set em up so the other one can knock them down, and for me Porter is a very good setteruppera...

What this man said. And, let's be fair, he gets in the positions to take the chances. 9 times out of 10, he hits the open goal on Saturday.

Porter = the man.

 

[Ginger Gnome]

I didn't think it was possible for anyone to be more boring and repetitive with their hate of a player than Pinchy and the Messiah, but alcoblade is trying it. Nobody is saying that Porter is a long-term answer, but since he's a lower third division player and we're in the lower half of the third division, he's at his level, putting in a shift and with Miller offering the best strike partnership we've had since Evans and Cresswell.

Cresswell didn't score goals either, but Evans did when he was playing with him, so if, by some miracle, Porter in the team causes us to score more goals than when he isn't, it doesn't matter in the slightest whether it's him actually doing the scoring. As a lone striker he's hopeless, long term we can do much better, but for now Porter in a front two with Miller is the best option we've got.

 

[alcoblade]

I didn't think it was possible for anyone to be more boring and repetitive with their hate of a player than Pinchy and the Messiah, but alcoblade is trying it. Nobody is saying that Porter is a long-term answer, but since he's a lower third division player and we're in the lower half of the third division, he's at his level, putting in a shift and with Miller offering the best strike partnership we've had since Evans and Cresswell.

Cresswell didn't score goals either, but Evans did when he was playing with him, so if, by some miracle, Porter in the team causes us to score more goals than when he isn't, it doesn't matter in the slightest whether it's him actually doing the scoring. As a lone striker he's hopeless, long term we can do much better, but for now Porter in a front two with Miller is the best option we've got.

I don't hate Porter. I want him to come good. I state facts that he doesn't score nearly enough goals, that he misses sitter after sitter, that his loan periods don't ever work out, that manager after manager drops him.

The only monotony is people coming back that he's being scapegoated, without being able to refute ANY of the points being made.

I have already accepted that right now he might be our best option. Unlike you, and some others, I believe that leaves us in real danger, for the facts stated above.


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[blade too long]

In his defence he came back from what to some is a career ending injury, he was prolific before his injury and he played second fiddle for long periods so hasnt had the run of games strikers need to get momentum, he put himself about yesterday, worked hard and out to prove hes worth a shot. Comparing his effort to what Kings been offering , wandering about , no tracking back little off the ball movement , no out jumping defenders , its a no brainer.
Until we can tempt David Villa away from Atletico , Porters the mobile big lump we have

 

[LoughboroBlade]

The only monotony is people coming back that he's being scapegoated, without being able to refute ANY of the points being made.

Ok then.

On whether he scores enough goals, if he's in a team scoring plenty and helping them to do that then that compensates for him not being prolific. I think I've already highlighted we tend to score plenty when he's been paired with Miller.

On him missing sitter after sitter, slightly unfair - it's usually only one genuine sitter every few games...

On his loans 'never working out', he went to Tranmere and Chesterfield to get game time so that when he returned he could be of use. He did that last season (he was excellent at Walsall and in the Swindon game for example), and though it's only one game so far it seems to be the same this time round. The loans have done exactly what they intended to do.

And on managers dropping him, who was the last striker in our squad that a manager didn't drop? Most thought the fact Clough sold Porter would mean he'd be straight out the door. Strikers will naturally fluctuate in and out of form - someone like Evans was dropped by four different United managers. I wouldn't say that proves much.

 

[alcoblade]

Ok then.

On whether he scores enough goals, if he's in a team scoring plenty and helping them to do that then that compensates for him not being prolific. I think I've already highlighted we tend to score plenty when he's been paired with Miller.

On him missing sitter after sitter, slightly unfair - it's usually only one genuine sitter every few games...

On his loans 'never working out', he went to Tranmere and Chesterfield to get game time so that when he returned he could be of use. He did that last season (he was excellent at Walsall and in the Swindon game for example), and though it's only one game so far it seems to be the same this time round. The loans have done exactly what they intended to do.

And on managers dropping him, who was the last striker in our squad that a manager didn't drop? Most thought the fact Clough sold Porter would mean he'd be straight out the door. Strikers will naturally fluctuate in and out of form - someone like Evans was dropped by four different United managers. I wouldn't say that proves much.

Ok, fair do's. Let see how attempt 18 pans out then. I hope I'm wrong this time and I think I've said enough.



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[Patrick Suffaux]

Porter and Miller have worked as a pairing almost every time they've played together. We have no other partnership at the club that can produce the same. Play them and make King and Taylor fight for their shirt back.

 

[alcoblade]

Porter and Miller have worked as a pairing almost every time they've played together. We have no other partnership at the club that can produce the same. Play them and make King and Taylor fight for their shirt back.

Let's hope so. But there's an awful lot of emphasis being placed on whatever percentage of Shaun Miller's 18 league appearances and 4 league goals that have been shared with Porter. Is this the success story that I'm missing?

I will really try to leave this alone now!



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[Dkc]

Ok then.


On him missing sitter after sitter, slightly unfair - it's usually only one genuine sitter every few games...
.

Smileys aside, it isn't. He seems to miss at least one absolute sitter every time he plays

 

[sheffielder]

It's already been said that Taylor can not hold the ball up and lacks the physical side, Miller puts the effort in on the physical side of things but isn't the biggest of lads therefore for me I don't know about them two up front because I strongly believe that in a league like this you do need that physical element and yes I think you need a target man because the football isn't always going to be pretty especially on some of these pitches in the winter when they have cut up a bit.

Marlon King could have potentially been terrific for us if hhad the fitness and actually looked like he wanted to play for us. Porter is the best we have at doing this and it works when he's in there so why change what isn't broken? That team from yesterday should start next week for me. Don't change it.

It seems from most people's posts that it's Porter against King and he works harder etc; It's like wanting Ed Balls to take over from Milliband in my eyes.

Baxter is my man to partner Miller. I know people think that every team at this level needs a target man but that is defined on how you play football. Wolves play with DOyle and Griffiths and that works. I don't see many teams with target men in our division to be honest. The only one who stands out is Hanson at Bradford.

Can I also add that Porter being shit aside I hope White comes in for Hill next week. It is the one thing Sitwell and myself do agree on.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Smileys aside, it isn't. He seems to miss at least one absolute sitter every time he plays

It really isn't as bad as you think it is. For starters, we've been crap at creating any decent chances for any of our strikers the last two seasons.

 

[alcoblade]

It really isn't as bad as you think it is. For starters, we've been crap at creating any decent chances for any of our strikers the last two seasons.

He's scored 17 goals in the last 4 (FOUR) years. I honsetly think I might have matched that.

Damn. Done it agin!

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[sheffielder]

It really isn't as bad as you think it is. For starters, we've been crap at creating any decent chances for any of our strikers the last two seasons.

He missed 2 sitters against Notts County. It's ok though because he's better than King

 

[LoughboroBlade]

He missed 2 sitters against Notts County.

In a game where we played well in the final third (with a large part down to the fact we had a player up front able to link play up), scored twice, and won.

Porter is an average striker, and doesn't score many - I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. But to suggest he's of no use to the team's overall aim of winning games isn't right.

 

[Bladesman]

If Porter started scoring then we would easily be putting games to bed.

Although if he did start scoring more he would be sold.

 

[LSF]

I've got a gang now? Wow.

I'd say he's a lower third or fourth division player.

The controversy is lost on me. The facts speak for themselves. A striker who barely scores. The only talking point is why "your gang" keep needing to see "my gang" proved right, time after time after time......

My gangs bigger than your gang

 

[alcoblade]

My gangs bigger than your gang

Perhaps, but my dad can fight yours.



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[Bergen Blade]

Watched the Colchester game today, Porter had a very good game, winning loads in the air, setting up others and got in some good positions. King was pathetic at Shrewsbury and must get in better shape before he starts again.

 

[Pinchy]

I think we should sign Andy Bishop from Wrexham. Now that would provoke a mass debate.

 

[Dkc]

Watched the Colchester game today, Porter had a very good game, winning loads in the air, setting up others and got in some good positions. King was pathetic at Shrewsbury and must get in better shape before he starts again.

He also missed an unbelievable sitter that would have put the game to bed