[Bad language contained within] To the c*** sat near the front today

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With MTG 100% on this one, and it's worded more or less how I would have put it. I see nothing wrong here. Insulting a man because of the colour of his skin and insulting a man because he's a filthy racist piece of shit are not the same.

Tarquin

I think everybody agrees with MtD's first paragraph, I certainly do. I think that some of us find the title unnecessary and also some of the language in the second paragraph is a bit over the top - certainly as far as I'm concerned. IMHO, the overuse of bad language actually detracts from the excellent point made in the post as it does in most posts whenever it is used
 



as far as I'm concerned there IS no "bad" language. as long as it is correctly spelt and punctuated, I fail to see why any one word - perfectly used in this case - should detract from anything at all. if he had used the word "compassionate" then I'd see a problem.
 
as far as I'm concerned there IS no "bad" language. as long as it is correctly spelt and punctuated, I fail to see why any one word - perfectly used in this case - should detract from anything at all. if he had used the word "compassionate" then I'd see a problem.
I can see you will go far, possibly the diplomatic core!! There is never any excuse for crude offensive language, it is unacceptable in our society. He completely ruins his post and your support of crude and offensive language is a sad.
 
I can see you will go far, possibly the diplomatic core!! There is never any excuse for crude offensive language, it is unacceptable in our society. He completely ruins his post and your support of crude and offensive language is a sad.

Ok. Whatever.
 
all racist crimes are paid because the accuser used some swear words.. some of you need to get your priorities in order.. really.
 
should have pointed him out to one of our 'stewards'. They are like the SS and would have turfed him out in 10 seconds.

real shame that people still have views like this. What makes it even more suprising is that its against someone like Chris Powell, a man who's one of the nicer people in football.
When people point out to him that he is only one of two black managers in the english game, he answers that he is just a 'manager'. In 21st century PC Britian he's a breath of fresh air.

Found the blades supporters that i met to be decent and chatty, but every club has an element of helmets...even us happy clappy family charlton lot.
 
I'm not sure where exactly, but the seat number was less than 48 and you were in the front few rows, I'm guessing below about P. The one that called Chris Powell a monkey that should go back the jungle after the game was over and we were trying to leave the ground. You were probably in your 40s and you didn't have much hair. Or brains.

You're a fucking prick and a coward and I hope you die of an horrific cancer. I only wish I'd had the balls to punch you in the face instead of standing next to you and trying to ignore you. I'm not sure which of us is the biggest coward. Yes you do have to "control yourself" as you worded it, before launching into your pathetic rant regardless. You fucking racist caveman twat. Don't ever come to a Sheffield United game ever again because you're a fucking dick and we don't want you.

I have to agree with what other people have said. You don't have to come over all macho and say you wanted to punch the guy in the face. A quiet word with a steward or copper pointing the guy out would have almost certainly seen him arrested. If you had then given a statement to the police setting out what you heard the guy would have almost certainly been charged with an offence, probably convicted, faced a hefty fine and be banned from football grounds.

I think that might be more likely to make him think twice about what he did than reading your rant on here (if he does).
 
With MTG 100% on this one, and it's worded more or less how I would have put it. I see nothing wrong here. Insulting a man because of the colour of his skin and insulting a man because he's a filthy racist piece of shit are not the same.

Could have put money on that.............
 
>There is never any excuse for crude offensive language, it is unacceptable in our society
just on a philosophical level, who are the arbiters of this unacceptability.. on a personal level i don't find swear words offensive.. they are merely words.. i don't go for this .. 'oh you swore therefore you have lost the argument.. even though your original argument was correct' bollocks.. it's a middle class copout
 
You don't have to come over all macho and say you wanted to punch the guy in the face. A quiet word with a steward or copper pointing the guy out would have almost certainly seen him arrested...I think that might be more likely to make him think twice about what he did than reading your rant on here (if he does).

A few people are going on about this, so I'll address it.

I saw the guy quite clearly so had no need to seek him out, as PeterNdolvu puts it. However, I had two French friends with me who were getting their first taste of English lower league football and my first priority was getting out of the ground with them, with no bother. I heard the idiot shout his rant, it annoyed me quite a bit and then I instantly got a tap on the shoulder from one of the friends I was with saying it would be easier to get out of the ground using another gangway, so I turned and walked out with them.

I then went to the pub, got very drunk and basically forgot about it until I got home, at which point I remembered and got annoyed again, and presumably decided to rant on here. I don't think the colourful language was a particularly "macho" display, rather than a passionate display, which was obviously exaggerated by drink. I'm not especially "macho". I was within swinging distance of the guy, so were I of the macho persuasion, I could have acted accordingly.

If I had been on my own, I may well have thought it through rationally and collared a steward. I can clearly see now that's what I should have done, but for whatever reason, I didn't. I have never reported anyone to anyone else and I'm not in the habit of doing that sort of thing. Plus I'm not entirely sure how that would have gone down, because it's a Blade ratting on another Blade. Maybe I'd have got a hiding off his mates outside, I don't really know.

All that aside, he shouted it pretty loudly. I'd be amazed if there weren't at least 50 other people who heard that and I wonder how many of them went straight to a steward to report it?

Anyway, I emailed SUFC on Sunday for some advice and I've since been in touch with SYP's "Police Football Planning Unit", who have in turn contacted the relevant people and I've been told that they'll chase it up if they haven't heard anything in five days time.

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just on a philosophical level, who are the arbiters of this unacceptability.. on a personal level i don't find swear words offensive.. they are merely words..

I do very much agree with this. There are hundreds, nay thousands of swear words and euphemisms. Swearing is a huge part of language. The first words you teach your foreign friends are swear words and I just don't see the point in their existence if we're not allowed to use them. The more they are used, the more desensitised we become to them.

I'm not easily offended. Words are never going to upset me.
 
......I have never reported anyone to anyone else and I'm not in the habit of doing that sort of thing. Plus I'm not entirely sure how that would have gone down, because it's a Blade ratting on another Blade. Maybe I'd have got a hiding off his mates outside, I don't really know.....

How far do they have to go? I saw a couple of blokes swinging at each other on the Kop after a match the other week, so I told one of the senior stewards on the way out. It's unacceptable. As far as the racist, then tell a steward. You're not "a Blade ratting on another Blade", you're a Blade pointing out a racist.

Anyway good on you for taking it further. Hopefully that's another racist fool who won't be spouting his bile at a football match and maybe it'll make him think twice about spouting it anywhere else too. We can but hope.

With regards to the swearing, it's each to their own. I like a good old swear, and I'll swear on here, but I do try to keep it for when it's needed.
 
I don't think anyones particularly bothered about MTG's language on the whole, it's the cancer thing that seems to be unacceptable, (to most anyway!)
 



This thread typifies the "culture of outrage" that seems to be taking over the UK. People are not perfect. They say things in the heat of the moment. These things are sometimes very offensive. That's the way people are. Get over it.

That's not to condone racism or wishing cancer on people. But they're only words.
 
This thread typifies the "culture of outrage" that seems to be taking over the UK. People are not perfect. They say things in the heat of the moment. These things are sometimes very offensive. That's the way people are. Get over it.

That's not to condone racism or wishing cancer on people. But they're only words.

I am reminded about a propaganda leaflet put out by the British government in 1943 just after ths suppression of the Warsaw ghetto by the Germans. There were two cartoons juxtaposed by each other. One has two women gossiping and one is saying to the other "I blame them Jews, always pushing to the front of queues". The other is a drawing of the aftermath of the ghetto suppression, corpses piled up etc. The caption underneath the two cartoons is "how the all sorry business starts".

Words can be enourmously powerful.
 
I am reminded about a propaganda leaflet put out by the British government in 1943 just after ths suppression of the Warsaw ghetto by the Germans. There were two cartoons juxtaposed by each other. One has two women gossiping and one is saying to the other "I blame them Jews, always pushing to the front of queues". The other is a drawing of the aftermath of the ghetto suppression, corpses piled up etc. The caption underneath the two cartoons is "how the all sorry business starts".

Words can be enourmously powerful.

Isn't it the 2nd image that contains the power though? I think I've seen the leaflet you're referring to.
 
The implication there is that hitler was only carrying out the will of the regular German people during the holocaust. I'm not entirely comfortable with that to be honest.
 
I am reminded about a propaganda leaflet put out by the British government in 1943 just after ths suppression of the Warsaw ghetto by the Germans. There were two cartoons juxtaposed by each other. One has two women gossiping and one is saying to the other "I blame them Jews, always pushing to the front of queues". The other is a drawing of the aftermath of the ghetto suppression, corpses piled up etc. The caption underneath the two cartoons is "how the all sorry business starts".

Words can be enourmously powerful.

Did you see this article? I thought it made a lot of sense.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/18/outrage-culture-limits-free-speech
 
The implication there is that hitler was only carrying out the will of the regular German people during the holocaust. I'm not entirely comfortable with that to be honest.

No its not. The two older women are not necessarily German. If anything they look British. The point being made is that spoken anti-Semitism has consequences.

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I don't disagree with much of what she says. However, free speech is never absolute and it is always a question of where one draws the line as to what is permitted. I am sure you would agree (to give the classic example) that one should not be free to shout "fire" in a crowded theatre or that I should be able to freely say that you are a paedophile. For me, racist abuse goes beyond mere offence; it attacks the very idea of people's humanity and dignity and, as such, I am quite comfortable with it being proscribed.
 
I'm not saying we should allow people to get away with blatant racism. If you hear someone saying something like the OP posted, I suggest you simply tell them they're well out of order and leave it at that. Peer pressure is probably much more effective than posting equally distasteful comments on a public forum.
 
What about it?

Well you went into detail on why you didn't do this and that about reporting the racist nasty (which was fair enough), but never mentioned a retraction of wishing a horrible cancer on the aforementioned scum. Do I assume you stick by this equally horrible assertion?
 
I always find this quote particularly poignant.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Martin Niemöller
 
Well you went into detail on why you didn't do this and that about reporting the racist nasty (which was fair enough), but never mentioned a retraction of wishing a horrible cancer on the aforementioned scum. Do I assume you stick by this equally horrible assertion?

Of course I do. I said so elsewhere in the thread. I have had family members affected by it and my missus works with suffers in trials to help cure it, so I know all about how awful it is. That's why I chose it.
 
This thread typifies the "culture of outrage" that seems to be taking over the UK. People are not perfect. They say things in the heat of the moment. These things are sometimes very offensive. That's the way people are. Get over it.

That's not to condone racism or wishing cancer on people. But they're only words.

Agree. But whilst the racist may have made his comments in the heat of the moment, moD is still sticking by his pathetic cancer comments 3 days later.
 



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