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"We've known for ages we needed to sign a striker."
Erm... We signed 2?
Erm... We signed 2?
Are we skint? does the Prince actually have wonga?
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We all know what Sheffield Uniteds fair valuation of players actually means, it means have a look in the 1970 book of World Soccer transfers and then make an offer.
If you offer a certain amount for three players and get none of them, it's absolute bullshit, a lie.
You have either offered something ridiculously insulting to all three clubs and players and been a million miles off or you have offered reasonable amounts for all three.
If you've offered way below the other clubs valuation your not going to get anywhere, (unless you're buying from us of course).
If you have offered reasonable amounts for all three it means that you have the money for two of them but perhaps not all three. That's when negotiations should start on your favourite two.
Players contracted to other clubs cost money and each will negotiate, if the player is worth pursuing you have to offer over the odds. It's always happened and always will and not just in the football world either. Anything in demand will have a premium price.
I'm just wondering what Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City and AC Milan will do if ever Messi becomes available.
I suppose they'll all take Sheffield Uniteds stance of not being held to ransom and stand about watching whilst somebody else signs him. No, they wont, they will move heaven and earth to get him.
Whether it's Messi in the Champions League or in relative terms a quality player for League One they all have a premium and that premium has to be paid. If you can't afford the premium on all three you bring in two of them instead for a bit more than what you first considered a fair offer, if you don't buy any of them well sorry, my opinion is it's just bullshit.
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A few "if" and a lot of irrelevant waffle there to back up your belief that it's all been a lie.
You know as much as I do about the dealings we tried to push through and that I'm afraid is fuck all.
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I never said I knew anything.
But I do know that if you are armed with some cash and think you can get three players but as things work out you cant afford all three of you buy two of them even if it means paying slightly over the odds with what you're saving on the third player.
Jesus, that's like going to Asda for some bread, milk and eggs, finding out you haven't got enough cash to buy them all so leaving without any of them.
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Do you frequently get refused service in Asda?
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McCabe only paid a £1 for a Hotel worth Millions, what do think he is gonna offer for a Footballer
Pfffft - probably offered 50p for Di Maria
Pfffft - probably offered 50p for Di Maria
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If I knew you were right I would have had no option but to agree with you.
Let's say for arguments sake we bid £1m each for three players. All three said 'we don't want to sell this player'. So we pick our favourite two and return with £1.5m bids. The response is 'we said we're not selling'.
That's doing what you suggest and still signing no one. At that point you can choose to pick your top target and increase your bids past 200% of our valuation of the player, or you can keep hold of your cash and plan for sensible use of the money for loans and any suitable targets in January.
I agree that to take a good player from where he is still wanted costs more than his market value, but in some cases that means paying too much.
[QUOT="Punk Blade, post: 646629, member: 13319"]If I knew you were right I would have had no option but to agree with you.
Let's say for arguments sake we bid £1m each for three players. All three said 'we don't want to sell this player'. So we pick our favourite two and return with £1.5m bids. The response is 'we said we're not selling'.
That's doing what you suggest and still signing no one. At that point you can choose to pick your top target and increase your bids past 200% of our valuation of the player, or you can keep hold of your cash and plan for sensible use of the money for loans and any suitable targets in January.
I agree that to take a good player from where he is still wanted costs more than his market value, but in some cases that means paying too much.[/QUOTE]
What If we bid 200k for them and the club said no and so we didnt get anyone ?
Let's say for arguments sake we bid £1m each for three players. All three said 'we don't want to sell this player'. So we pick our favourite two and return with £1.5m bids. The response is 'we said we're not selling'.
That's doing what you suggest and still signing no one. At that point you can choose to pick your top target and increase your bids past 200% of our valuation of the player, or you can keep hold of your cash and plan for sensible use of the money for loans and any suitable targets in January.
I agree that to take a good player from where he is still wanted costs more than his market value, but in some cases that means paying too much.[/QUOTE]
What If we bid 200k for them and the club said no and so we didnt get anyone ?
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Then I seriously doubt that £300k would make them budge if they didn't want to sell.
I think it would be higher values rather than lower that would make a difference, as a 50% increase starts to become material in absolute terms. Maybe a £2m bid increased to £3m could make a club rethink if they weren't planning on selling, but were we looking to spend £4m-£6m on deadline day? Don't think so.
If 200k Is all youve got then a 50 % increase is not only immaterieal its as unlikely as spending 4 to 6 m
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Ok, let's say our budget for three championship players was £200k. How much would have been happy with us paying for one player that we value at barely £100k? And are you saying that a couple of players valued at around £100k would vastly improve the squad?
What ? im saying that our budget seemed to be 2ook ,we bid for 3 players the fact we didnt get any suggests to me we could only afford one and weren't totally serious with all three bids
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You ought to try and get to a game this season mate, they're actually playing better.
Wtf has
Wtf has that got to do with owt ?
Punk Blade
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I was talking hypothetical bids to explore when this theory of ditching one to boost the other two bids might make a club unwilling to sell change their mind.
We were ready to complete on all three deals, so why would we only be able to afford one and why wouldn't the offers have been serious? If the budget for the three bids was only £200k (as you seem so certain) it sounds as if you think the bids were under £100k each. Personally I'm not too concerned at missing out on players too old, too inexperienced or too rubbish to attract a six-figure bid.
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It's not, because you actually have at least a little knowledge on how transactions in Asda work, whereas (I'm guessing) you don't when it comes to football clubs and transfers (neither do I).
If Punk Blade went to Asda though with a budget and a set of needs in mind, but left with nothing, you'd still have no idea as to why, bullshit or otherwise, he's still empty handed.
So I guess the two are kind of the same
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