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Otherwise I may have had to perform origami on them in self-defence.
They would have folded
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Otherwise I may have had to perform origami on them in self-defence.
They would have folded
What did you reply?
I parked on Far Lane and walked to the ground with my wife. I’m a past-middle aged bloke and I have a younger “trophy” wife who, surprisingly perhaps, is not of Thai origin.
We were gaining pace on two blokes in front of us and they stood aside to let us pass. One said to me, “Are you Wednesday?” and I said “no”. I was waiting for the reaction...they were Blades fortunately. Otherwise I may have had to perform origami on them in self-defence.
In Star Online from Danny:
Sheffield Derby: South Yorkshire Police chief pledges review of tactics used for Sheffield Wednesday v Sheffield United clash after they were slammed by both Blades and Owls
Shaun Morley, the chief superintendent of South Yorkshire Police, has promised a “full review” of his force's tactics at the Sheffield Derby last night...
Gold commanders are often there by virtue of their rank (Chief Superintendent usually) and may have come from a different policing route ie: CID. They have to pass a course and become accredited but if they haven’t worked in that area, their actual experience can be minimal.
SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE WHEN POLICING FOOTBALL..
What? This is completely new news to meSyp are fucking shit
This is the police force that watched a group of Millwall of about 25 plus show off on the away end at the Lane, including abusing the disabled section, leave the ground 5 minutes early. They then walked unopposed up a side street of Bramall Lane and throw missiles at ordinary fans leaving the game. People including myself and 4 year old son at the time had to duck behind vehicles to avoid being hit.
Not a copper in sight 2 minutes from the ground.
When challenged about at an FSF meeting shortly afterwards, SYP reckoned they knew nothing about it.
Tell me how everything about that doesn't make you smell a rat.
She looks too young to have cataracts.“Can we go to Leeds for us tea dearest? I’d drive but mi cataracts need doing”
Again, not the first time this season, I had Blades behind me in the ground questioning my loyalty & credentials because I was not baying how much I hate the piggy bastards for the full 90+. The continued, Top Trumps, I've hated them longer than you, posturing fuels an odd atmosphere. Fans on both sides seem intent on proving it's the bitterest rivalry in world football. The ramping up of all that nonsense is comical at times. Of course, none of that excuses random acts of indiscriminate bollocks like chucking coins & rocks into a captive crowd including innocents. But, I'm sick of being singled out in away ends for not apparently hating the opposition enough. Frankly, the Blade behind me was trying to bully me. He couldn't vent his made up hatred of the pigs on the pigs, so he chose me.
I'm a few years behind you, but sadly the time when your own were your own seems long gone.
Again, not the first time this season, I had Blades behind me in the ground questioning my loyalty & credentials because I was not baying how much I hate the piggy bastards for the full 90+. The continued, Top Trumps, I've hated them longer than you, posturing fuels an odd atmosphere. Fans on both sides seem intent on proving it's the bitterest rivalry in world football. The ramping up of all that nonsense is comical at times. Of course, none of that excuses random acts of indiscriminate bollocks like chucking coins & rocks into a captive crowd including innocents. But, I'm sick of being singled out in away ends for not apparently hating the opposition enough. Frankly, the Blade behind me was trying to bully me. He couldn't vent his made up hatred of the pigs on the pigs, so he chose me.
Not holding my breath but...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p072msm6
I listened to matey boy chuntering behind me, left at the whistle, climbed on the coach without seeing any mither, then, on the coach, had a minor misunderstanding with Furphy over how long we'd held out on the East Bank in 1971 & which bit we needed to be in to really claim we took it. That was enough therapy thank you.....Have you thought about trying cognitive therapy Phil to help you manage your problems by changing the way you behave in these situations? It might help to get your hatred of the pigs out in the open and will satisfy the other idiots that you just as big a Blade as them.
Just trying to be helpful.
Oh yeah. Nice try Tony Your generation just don't get it Grandad. Were you screaming "fat piggy bastard" and making throat cutting gestures? Were you pointing towards Penistone Rd & shouting "outside, now then, grunter"? I suggest not. I doubt you've ever had any mates, but were you rattling on to one about how much you "hate the snortbeasts"? And, while we're at it, what were you even doing on the East Bank? No proper Blade would willingly put himself that close to the dirty, unclean, truffle hunters - knowing they wouldn't be able to cheer when Grummitt (was it?) saved at Gil Reece's feet, as they'd be surrounded by piggy grunter hunters (or similar insult).F F S were there any Pigs on the Kop that day? We were all in the middle, no problem all day.
Oh yeah. Nice try Tony Your generation just don't get it Grandad. Were you screaming "fat piggy bastard" and making throat cutting gestures? Were you pointing towards Penistone Rd & shouting "outside, now then, grunter"? I suggest not. I doubt you've ever had any mates, but were you rattling on to one about how much you "hate the snortbeasts"? And, while we're at it, what were you even doing on the East Bank? No proper Blade would willingly put himself that close to the dirty, unclean, truffle hunters - knowing they wouldn't be able to cheer when Grummitt (was it?) saved at Gil Reece's feet, as they'd be surrounded by piggy grunter hunters (or similar insult).
I bet all you did was turn up at the ground, bob on the East Bank, stand in the middle, knowing full well that Wednesday would have a dig in somewhere & loudly support your team from the middle of the other team's end. Oh dear. That is not how it's done now, 2019, old boy. You. Know. Nowt. Call yourself a Blade?
Maybe the Spar at the BP garage had something to say about 'SYP knowing nothing'? The Millwall fans nicked a load of booze and walked out unopposed.
I blame 'the savage Tory cuts'...
FOTHWell said.
The same thing happened to me on our Kop a few years ago - the game where James Beattie equalised with a direct free kick late on - when, for reasons too complicated to explain, I sat in an area away from my usual. A group of lowlifes directly behind me decided I was potentially a closet Wednesdayite and I got jostled and shoved several times during the match. The irony was that they were singing the “because of Boxing Day” song while giving grief to someone who was actually there (and who still carries the psychological scars).
This competitive “I hate Wednesday more than you do so I’m a bigger Blade” mindset is pathetic and sickening. As I have said before, I don’t hate them, never have, never will. I don’t call them pigs, never have, never will. I love beating them, always have, always will. But that’s as far as it goes.
Well said.
The same thing happened to me on our Kop a few years ago - the game where James Beattie equalised with a direct free kick late on - when, for reasons too complicated to explain, I sat in an area away from my usual. A group of lowlifes directly behind me decided I was potentially a closet Wednesdayite and I got jostled and shoved several times during the match. The irony was that they were singing the “because of Boxing Day” song while giving grief to someone who was actually there (and who still carries the psychological scars).
This competitive “I hate Wednesday more than you do so I’m a bigger Blade” mindset is pathetic and sickening. As I have said before, I don’t hate them, never have, never will. I don’t call them pigs, never have, never will. I love beating them, always have, always will. But that’s as far as it goes.
Freedom of information request to SYP may be interesting...
1. What experience of policing football has the Gold Commander had?
2. When did he pass his Public Order commanders course?
3. Was he Public Order trained as a junior officer?
4. Has he kept up his public order qualification and associated fitness test since promotion?
5. When did he pass his policing major events course?
6. Does he attend matches as a fan?
Etc
Gold commanders are often there by virtue of their rank (Chief Superintendent usually) and may have come from a different policing route ie: CID. They have to pass a course and become accredited but if they haven’t worked in that area, their actual experience can be minimal.
However, the biggest gap is in the common sense and awareness view of a football fan. Normally, those who have been around a bit know when it’s likely to kick off. It seems last night there was no contingency planning for removing people placed at risk. Most senior coppers are blinkered, just follow rules and don’t have sufficient situational awareness of the football environment that we pay them to police...
A policy file will be held and decisions such as not holding back Blades, pathetic fencing, not closing access to pigs should all be recorded. Again a suitably worded FOI request could ask for such information. They may hide behind not disclosing operational tactics, but if it was worded correctly should yield information.
1. What risk assessment was prepared for the simultaneous release of both sets of supporters?
2. Why was LL not closed off?
3. What was the plan to evacuate vulnerable people brought into violent situations?
Etc etc
I certainly think those hurt should ask.
Other route is to make a complaint that police/pig tactics led to injury at a high risk event where such risk could have been averted. Copy anything to the PCC’s office and the IOPC.
SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE WHEN POLICING FOOTBALL..
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That is the only derby game I have been to when I was genuinely worried for my safety, not worried about pig fans more worried about some of our own fans who were full of ale, coke and hatred and were ready to kick off with anyone. Some of the stewards on the kop took a real beating that night, then it kicked off at the side of us United fans fighting between themselves. I also remember it getting a bit tasty at Wembley in the semi final V Hull again fighting amongst ourselves.
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