Anybody still think it's all on the manager(s)

[Richy Rich]

Wouldn't want to be in the trenches with this load of players would you?

Half of them look unfit, other half look disinterested and lacking in any kind of drive. We've got players who can't even trap a bag of cement, play a simple 6 yard pass and are content to let players just skip past them. Gutless speaks to mind

 

[Frank the tank]

I never did
It's the players and the abysmal recruitment
Selles never had a prayer with the side he was forced to pick and the rest of them are phoning it in

 

[100% part time blade]

The loans stick out as being really poor this season.

When you look back on our loan players of previous years in the championship:
Rak-Saki, Bereton, Souttar, McAtee, Doyle, Gibbs-white, Henderson. I know there were others making up the numbers in those years too, but we’ve repeatedly found real value in the loan market when we’ve been in the championship over the past 6 or 7 seasons: this year the quality just seems much lower.
The loan market is hugely important to championship clubs, and we seem to have got it all wrong this time.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

The loans stick out as being really poor this season.

When you look back on our loan players of previous years in the championship:
Rak-Saki, Bereton, Souttar, McAtee, Doyle, Gibbs-white, Henderson. I know there were others making up the numbers in those years too, but we’ve repeatedly found real value in the loan market when we’ve been in the championship over the past 6 or 7 seasons: this year the quality just seems much lower.
The loan market is hugely important to championship clubs, and we seem to have got it all wrong this time.

Said this to my lad. There was a passage of play where Ogbene hit two crosses either too deep or straight at he GK and Barry put one into the crowd which sums up our 'wing' play and quality of our loans....

Appalling.

 

[Stretch]

I said all along that the players were just as much to blame as the manager. The way they turned out for Selles was shameful and some don't appear to be doing that much better under Wilder.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Said this to my lad. There was a passage of play where Ogbene hit two crosses either too deep or straight at he GK and Barry put one into the crowd which sums up our 'wing' play and quality of our loans....

Appalling.

I would have Ogbene up front as a 2 rather than on the Wing. Barry isn’t the greatest either but least with Ogbene he has pace and form of scoring in this league before with Rotherham

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I said all along that the players were just as much to blame as the manager. The way they turned out for Selles was shameful and some don't appear to be doing that much better under Wilder.

It's on him to go fucking bonkers with them then.

What's he worst that happens? They stop playing/trying?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I would have Ogbene up front as a 2 rather than on the Wing. Barry isn’t the greatest either but least with Ogbene he has pace and form of scoring in this league before with Rotherham

He's not a RWB that's for sure!!

 

[bladesmanluke]

The loans stick out as being really poor this season.

When you look back on our loan players of previous years in the championship:
Rak-Saki, Bereton, Souttar, McAtee, Doyle, Gibbs-white, Henderson. I know there were others making up the numbers in those years too, but we’ve repeatedly found real value in the loan market when we’ve been in the championship over the past 6 or 7 seasons: this year the quality just seems much lower.
The loan market is hugely important to championship clubs, and we seem to have got it all wrong this time.

I have been saying for years that we are over reliant on the loan market. It has properly caught up with us

 

[Nick Jansky]

It's on him to go fucking bonkers with them then.

What's he worst that happens? They stop playing/trying?

That wouldn’t necessarily work these days. It might have done in the 1980s. I think a lot of players would simply tune it out. I know I would if someone was ranting at me. It will need to be done with a bit more intelligence than that. Players today hold a hell of a lot more power than they used to.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

That wouldn’t necessarily work these days. It might have done in the 1980s. I think a lot of players would simply tune it out. I know I would if someone was ranting at me. It will need to be done with a bit more intelligence than that. Players today hold a hell of a lot more power than they used to.

I get you, but it's clear the Out Run Out Work mantra and "running around is a given" just isn't happening.

We're second best in every dimension and if nothing changes, nothing changes.