Another reason why I dislike Weir.

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Add last nights post match interview to every single one before it, ok it was in bad circumstances.......ok most post match interviews have been in bad circumstances but even his pre match interviews and all interviews in general and I can't help but notice a distinct lack of personality and character. I see no enthusiasm in him towards the club, I see no real emotion and overall both in his words and his actions in my opinion he doesn't come across very well and I wonder if it is the same way in the changing room.

Now those who don't like Warnock speak for yourself because I love the bloke for his passion, I love the bloke for how he comes across in his interviews. He speaks out loud and proud, he might be wrong but he loves what he does and he loves his club and he wants to win games so even if he is wrong he speaks his mind and gives everything. A similar character to Warnock and another manager who I admire is Ian Holloway, another one who sticks his neck on the line, he speaks out and shows passion in his interview, he loves his club and it shows in words and actions.

The modern day Clough's are my kind of manager!. I want to see a gaffer climbing the walls when we win and I equally want to see a manager biting his bottom lip and showing some real emotion when we lose. I want a manager who speaks out whether right or wrong and one who wants to be heard. Let's be fair all of the three name drops above in Warnock, Ollie, and Cloughie never did far wrong and have all had decent careers as a result of it.

If this is how Davey Weir comes across to me does that mean it's the same in the changing room?.

So theres another thing that bugs me about Weir. I see no passion, I see no flare, I see no real emotion, I don't see a man who throws everything at it, I see no real love for what he is doing and Sheffield United........I'm not saying he doesn't have the above but he doesn't show it and it pisses me off!
 

highpeakblade said:
So theres another thing that bugs me about Weir. I see no passion, I see no flare, I see no real emotion, I don't see a man who throws everything at it, I see no real love for what he is doing and Sheffield United........I'm not saying he doesn't have the above but he doesn't show it and it pisses me off!
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I don't know if it matters, and hence how much I agree, but^^^^^...... applies ON the field where it really matters. And if the manager's personality is reflected in the team, it's a real problem.

UTB
 
Passion is so overhyped in managers it's crazy, anyone in football management is passionate but show it in different ways. Time and time again last season Danny was criticised for not being passionate. Maybe he thought ranting and raving on the touchline, going so mad at the ref that he gets a touchline ban wasn't the best way forward
 
alcoblade said:
I don't know if it matters, and hence how much I agree, but^^^^^...... applies ON the field where it really matters. And if the manager's personality is reflected in the team, it's a real problem.

UTB
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Of course you want your managers personality reflected in your team!

When Warnock was gaffer at the lane he showed nothing short of passion. He shouted his bollocks off whether he was right or wrong, he showed nothing but emotion all of the time and constantly put his own thoughts and opinions across. In return the players were very much the same. That squad under Warnock were a proper team, they battled for eachother and if 1 was in a scrap they were all in a scrap. When the ball hit the back of the net they all went beserk. And if they didn't put in 100% they knew that they would get a real bollocking.

Not one of them spole bad of Warnock. They loved the bloke, he had their backs and supported them 100% but he expected the goods.

These sort of managers create real football teams.
 
highpeakblade said:
Of course you want your managers personality reflected in your team!

When Warnock was gaffer at the lane he showed nothing short of passion. He shouted his bollocks off whether he was right or wrong, he showed nothing but emotion all of the time and constantly put his own thoughts and opinions across. In return the players were very much the same. That squad under Warnock were a proper team, they battled for eachother and if 1 was in a scrap they were all in a scrap. When the ball hit the back of the net they all went beserk. And if they didn't put in 100% they knew that they would get a real bollocking.

Not one of them spole bad of Warnock. They loved the bloke, he had their backs and supported them 100% but he expected the goods.

These sort of managers create real football teams.
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My point was that I'm not sure it's a prerequisite that your manager flaps about and shouts in order to get some passion on the field. Perhaps it is? But what's obvious is that the paragraph I picked out definitely describes the on field activity, and that's the real problem.


UTB
 
Atmosphere at the lane has never been the same since warnock left...whether its the way his team played or his "ranting and raving" it was good enough for me.. born in 1990 the most exciting matches Ive ever been to were under warnock.

I think the passion he brought to the side was there for all to see in the 4-3 win over forest in't play offs, we didnt hoof it all game had some pace and that little bit of quality and everyone played for each other and helped their team mates out.
when we beat the likes of liverpool and leeds at home everyone putting 110% in and the atmosphere as amazing...

Everyone slags warnock off but defo the best spell in the last 20 years under him for performances and atmosphere...
 
I heard that interview on Radio Sheffield last night. To be serious the bloke's probably depressed and his confidence shot to shit. He's probably not sleeping much and is surely aware that when he's with the players they're not really impressed with him. His responses were limited and the "disinterest" is evidence of his low mood.

Probably better off putting him out of his misery. I'd be VERY impressed if he turned it round now.

Any other psychiatric consultations feel free to send a profile and check

Dr Iconyou. Trickcyclist at law
 
I heard that interview on Radio Sheffield last night. To be serious the bloke's probably depressed and his confidence shot to shit. He's probably not sleeping much and is surely aware that when he's with the players they're not really impressed with him. His responses were limited and the "disinterest" is evidence of his low mood.

Probably better off putting him out of his misery. I'd be VERY impressed if he turned it round now.

Any other psychiatric consultations feel free to send a profile and "cheque"

Dr Iconyou. Trickcyclist at law
 
highpeakblade said:
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Not one of them spole bad of Warnock. They loved the bloke, he had their backs and supported them 100% but he expected the goods.

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Sorry mate,he upset loads of players(as a lot of managers do). Geoff Horsfield immediately springs to mind. £1.25 million wasted.(plus wages)
 
Remember that sometimes you've got to hit rock bottom before you can start to come back up again.

I think we'll batter Coventry 0-4.

The frail caterpillar thought it was the end of the world, then it turned into a magnificent butterfly.

Rack me up another line dudes. YOWZAAAA.
 

I think Weir is probably too nice to be a manager.

He's had a job managing youngsters at a place where he was highly respected and had a legacy, the youngsters had respect for that. He also had support and respect from above.

Now he's at United, he has a group of players who don't even appear to have respect for themselves, never mind the new gaffer and his mates. He doesn't have the bastard in him or the thick skin to demand the respect or to be disliked and it's probably too late for him now, he's shown himself to be weak when he's the man in charge. Obviously his football philosophy is not being carried out as he planned due to attitude or it just being wrong for this league, probably a bit of both.

Feel sorry for the guy but it's not going to work for him here. You can't go to a new place and be in charge unless you've got the confidence and the arrogance to make people do as you say.

From the club's point of view I think they should give him until Christmas to save face and show that they don't sack managers without showing that he definitely can't do the job, to put it beyond doubt. It's the wrong decision but I think it's what they should do.
 
Keef Chedwyn said:
I think Weir is probably too nice to be a manager.
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The best managers can inspire both fear and love in their players. If Weir can't do that he'll only ever be an assistant or a coach, no matter how good his ideas.

Maybe we should have hired him as Director of Football....
 
botoble said:
Atmosphere at the lane has never been the same since warnock left...whether its the way his team played or his "ranting and raving" it was good enough for me.. born in 1990 the most exciting matches Ive ever been to were under warnock.

I think the passion he brought to the side was there for all to see in the 4-3 win over forest in't play offs, we didnt hoof it all game had some pace and that little bit of quality and everyone played for each other and helped their team mates out.
when we beat the likes of liverpool and leeds at home everyone putting 110% in and the atmosphere as amazing...

Everyone slags warnock off but defo the best spell in the last 20 years under him for performances and atmosphere...
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But the ethos was wrong........

:)

UTB
 
What's with the love-in with Warnock? Odious man who I never want to see at BL as our manager again. Feel sorry for Weir having to put up with players who are there only to see out their contracts. Hopefully he'll drop 'Captain Fantastic' on Sunday along with Collins. Be brave David and let's see what happens.
 
Clearly as a person I don't have any antipathy towards Weir. I'm sure he is a spot on bloke, who loves his kids etc. but it is also clear as a manager he has currently not got what it takes. No one us more angry than me at our current level of performance, but to see a manager so broken, unable to answer questions and so close to tears was very sad. I know his name is on the door and he's taking the money, but it's obvious to me he's well out of his depth.

Which all begs the question, if a huge number of supporters are seeing it, what are the directors seeing, obviously something different to us. Even at the most basic human level you would surely relieve Weir of his duties. But no, nothing at all from the directors.

Is there a sub plot to actively drive the football club out of business to build yet more flats on the site of BDTBL?

Where's this leave me, well incredibly pissed off with it all. After 55 years I'm on the point oh having had enough.
 
Keef Chedwyn said:
I think Weir is probably too nice to be a manager.

He's had a job managing youngsters at a place where he was highly respected and had a legacy, the youngsters had respect for that. He also had support and respect from above.

Now he's at United, he has a group of players who don't even appear to have respect for themselves, never mind the new gaffer and his mates. He doesn't have the bastard in him or the thick skin to demand the respect or to be disliked and it's probably too late for him now, he's shown himself to be weak when he's the man in charge. Obviously his football philosophy is not being carried out as he planned due to attitude or it just being wrong for this league, probably a bit of both.

Feel sorry for the guy but it's not going to work for him here. You can't go to a new place and be in charge unless you've got the confidence and the arrogance to make people do as you say.

From the club's point of view I think they should give him until Christmas to save face and show that they don't sack managers without showing that he definitely can't do the job, to put it beyond doubt. It's the wrong decision but I think it's what they should do.
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How much do you think next year's season tickets in League 2 will be?
 
Ah, the 'passion' bollocks. You don't have to make a numpty of yourself on the touchline to inspire your team. I suspect many of you are too young to remember the great Bob Paisley, to mention but one quiet man. Bill Nicholson was another. Your hero, Warnock, is not on the same planet as those guys, never mind the same class.

This passion v Arms Folded stuff is one of the most infantile discussions that football fans have. It's nonsense.
 
Pinchy said:
Ah, the 'passion' bollocks. You don't have to make a numpty of yourself on the touchline to inspire your team. I suspect many of you are too young to remember the great Bob Paisley, to mention but one quiet man. Bill Nicholson was another. Your hero, Warnock, is not on the same planet as those guys, never mind the same class.

This passion v Arms Folded stuff is one of the most infantile discussions that football fans have. It's nonsense.
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You forget, quite conveniently of course because your argument fails miserably, that Warnock was one of the club's more successful managers. By comparison he would rank well with Paisley when their relative achievements with their respective clubs is compared.

No one is saying Warnock is/was Paisley's equal but by relative acheivements he did well.

Of course we know you are quite happy to see nice boring square ball football whether it is in League 1 or the Conference North. Success doesn't enter your vocabulary.

I am sure you could make chess an interesting spectator sport but if you never won you wouldn't be very successful would you.
 
Pinchy said:
Ah, the 'passion' bollocks. You don't have to make a numpty of yourself on the touchline to inspire your team. I suspect many of you are too young to remember the great Bob Paisley, to mention but one quiet man. Bill Nicholson was another. Your hero, Warnock, is not on the same planet as those guys, never mind the same class.
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Yeah and Paisley and Nicholson are not on the same planet as Ferguson who used to go apeshit on the touchline.

What's your point?
 

Pinchy said:
Ah, the 'passion' bollocks. You don't have to make a numpty of yourself on the touchline to inspire your team. I suspect many of you are too young to remember the great Bob Paisley, to mention but one quiet man. Bill Nicholson was another. Your hero, Warnock, is not on the same planet as those guys, never mind the same class.

This passion v Arms Folded stuff is one of the most infantile discussions that football fans have. It's nonsense.
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