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But i'm not slating.
who tried out a young right back at the start of last season, who has since played for england under 21s, who took us to wembley (granted, we didnt win, but he got us there didnt he?) who signed one of the most exciting propects we've seen at the lane for a long time, in jamie ward for £300,000! who led us to a 3-2 victory against the pigs?

Kevin Blackwell - he's not perfect, but he hasnt really done that bad a job! give the guy a break!
 

But i'm not slating.
who tried out a young right back at the start of last season, who has since played for england under 21s, who took us to wembley (granted, we didnt win, but he got us there didnt he?) who signed one of the most exciting propects we've seen at the lane for a long time, in jamie ward for £300,000! who led us to a 3-2 victory against the pigs?

Kevin Blackwell - he's not perfect, but he hasnt really done that bad a job! give the guy a break!


Who's fc*kin useless? :D
 
But i'm not slating.
who tried out a young right back at the start of last season, who has since played for england under 21s, who took us to wembley (granted, we didnt win, but he got us there didnt he?) who signed one of the most exciting propects we've seen at the lane for a long time, in jamie ward for £300,000! who led us to a 3-2 victory against the pigs?

Kevin Blackwell - he's not perfect, but he hasnt really done that bad a job! give the guy a break!

Who couldn't understand why Sun didn't get back into the team when he'd served his suspension ahead of that young kid ?
Who said we'd never make the play-offs under Blackwell ?
Who said we should be better than signing cheap as chips 3rd division strikers ?

Tha fans :thumbup:
 
who tried out a young right back at the start of last season,

Turned out to be a good move. But it was a decision mainly forced upon him.

who took us to wembley

Who should have taken us up automatically?

who signed one of the most exciting propects we've seen at the lane for a long time, in jamie ward for £300,000! !

Our most exciting prospects we have seen at the lane in recent years for me have been Walker and Naughton, and Ward doesn't compare to these even though I rate him.

who led us to a 3-2 victory against the pigs?

Who led us to 2 losses to them last season?
 
Scraping the barrel there Liam but good effort. I'll give you the run after Xmas in both his seasons was impressive, even if it was smeared with some terrible defeats and a lack of goals at key moments last time. Very much doubt he can repeat because we haven't got as many good players this time around.

I think we all know the 'performance' at Wembley warranted a change at the helm, even Blackwell himself admitted it.

Sadly, we are now seeing why he wanted to go. Inspite of all the advantages he has compared with most other managers in the section, even allowing for the re-profiling he's lost that ability to coax wins out of the team.
 
But i'm not slating.
who tried out a young right back at the start of last season, who has since played for england under 21s, who took us to wembley (granted, we didnt win, but he got us there didnt he?) who signed one of the most exciting propects we've seen at the lane for a long time, in jamie ward for £300,000! who led us to a 3-2 victory against the pigs?

Kevin Blackwell - he's not perfect, but he hasnt really done that bad a job! give the guy a break!

Naughton - had too. If he'd have had a 30 year old clogger at right back I'm sure he'd have never been given the chance. And sure Naughton would love playing for us this year - having it in his contract that he has to smash it diagonally as soon as he reaches the half way line.

Wembley - how did we get there eh...? And how we were shown for the true footballing outfit once there...against a team with real resources and massive budgets...

Jamie Ward (great player so far) - came in as 'one for the future' but has had to promote him straight away and now we're relying on the kid. Ooooh, and care to add any of his other signings to that list for their achievements so far and really pushing us forward...Reid, Taylor, Bunn, Haber, Cresswell, Evans (£3m)....

Pigs - 3-2 victory against a team who last week got battered at Watford - thanks Kevin, you are skill. Roll on next year and more highlights like this whilst we struggle to stay in The Championship.

Kevin Blackwell - he's not totally shit so lets all be happy :)
 
It really is simple-minded to think that changing managers will lead to any significant change or even a positive change in performance. It is also simple-minded to believe there will be any change before January.

Blackwell is a decent honest man, doing the best he can, and this is a best that puts him ahead of most managers in the CCC. We are not in a position to steal a Prem manager and any other body that's available is likely to be a step down - based on the list of currently available managers.

All these predictions of failure/relegation are guesswork, essentially speculation with no substance, happy to see the forum give a chance for folk to show their smarts but sad to see the need to add abuse as a means to 'strengthen' the argument. Hence, will continue to support and chat about how we can get a better team from my armchair.
 
It really is simple-minded to think that changing managers will lead to any significant change or even a positive change in performance.

Oh, so true. I mean, replacing Heath with Warnock and Robson with Blackwell made no difference whatsover, did it?
 
But i'm not slating.
who tried out a young right back at the start of last season, who has since played for england under 21s, who took us to wembley (granted, we didnt win, but he got us there didnt he?) who signed one of the most exciting propects we've seen at the lane for a long time, in jamie ward for £300,000! who led us to a 3-2 victory against the pigs?

Kevin Blackwell - he's not perfect, but he hasnt really done that bad a job! give the guy a break!

Common sense thinking on here is strictly banned Liam.
 
Common sense thinking on here is strictly banned Liam.

Oh is it really?
Who judges this 'common sense' you bang on about?
Who stated it was banned?

Just because people have differing views to you doesn't make them any less relevant.
Perhaps if you can't accept others' points of view then perhaps a forum isn't for you and you should do your very own blog where nobody can offer a difference of opinion.
 
But i'm not slating.
who tried out a young right back at the start of last season, who has since played for england under 21s, who took us to wembley (granted, we didnt win, but he got us there didnt he?) who signed one of the most exciting propects we've seen at the lane for a long time, in jamie ward for £300,000! who led us to a 3-2 victory against the pigs?

Kevin Blackwell - he's not perfect, but he hasnt really done that bad a job! give the guy a break!

Fair point like some have said its scraping the barrel abit there.

Although I will say Jamie Ward does look like he will be a great signing for us. Only downside is how long will Jamie be here for?
 
It really is simple-minded to think that changing managers will lead to any significant change or even a positive change in performance. It is also simple-minded to believe there will be any change before January.

Blackwell is a decent honest man, doing the best he can, and this is a best that puts him ahead of most managers in the CCC. We are not in a position to steal a Prem manager and any other body that's available is likely to be a step down - based on the list of currently available managers.

All these predictions of failure/relegation are guesswork, essentially speculation with no substance, happy to see the forum give a chance for folk to show their smarts but sad to see the need to add abuse as a means to 'strengthen' the argument. Hence, will continue to support and chat about how we can get a better team from my armchair.

Absolute bumf. Pure tripe. I see some delusions on this site, but this takes the biscuit. As Revolution quite rightly points out both Blackwell and Warnock took over a 'down and out' team and changed things around. Look at what Mark Robbins is doing at Barnsley! It makes absolutely perfect sense that a new manger would change things around! We are talking about a very good squad, a first team that looks very strong and is one of the best in the divsion. However they are playing with a complete lack of confidence and direction. A change at the helm would is likely to rectify this. And, comefromaway, why should we not expect a change of management? Have you seen Blackwell lately? He is resigned to losing, his body language shows is all wrong, players are arguing left right and centre, he's losing it with interviewers and the fans are on his back. He will walk! It's just a matter of time.

Oh and nice try Liam. But your positive spin doesn't convince me at all. My red and White specs are off and I see us going nowhere under Blackwell. And don't lump all fans into one bracket. I supported Blackwell. He was the right man to take over from Robson and he did very well in his first season. he deserved a crack at the job. He did a good job in his first full season, but I feared that the play off final and 3rd place was the best he could do with us. This season has proved most fans doubts that he has taken us as far as he can. It's plain for the eye to see that he will not take us to the promise land.
 
Ollessendro.

If Come from Away's comments were "Absolute bumf. Pure tripe and delusional biscuit theft" then how do you class yours? Pure gold? Platinum?

Just a couple of questions for you to expand on:

If Blackwell and Warnock took over a down and out team, then what did Robson take over after last day relegation from the PL?
Why and how does it make "absolutely perfect sense that a new manager would change things around"?
Like you requested, I've looked at what Robbins is doing at Barnsley seems like he's the manager there. But he's been there less than 10 games hasn't he?
Is that long enough to back up your argument for a change?
What evidence is there that a "change at the helm will rectify the problem with "lack of confidence and direction"?
Could a change just paper over the cracks for, i don't know, say 10 games?
Then if things aren't better then what do we do?
I know that this was directed at CFA, but why SHOULD we expect a change of management? Because we've lost the last 3 games and conceded heavily?
I've seen Blackwell and heard him, I don't think he's anymore resigned to losing than, lets say, yourself. In fact I think he's pretty confident that we can turn it around, he's just making statements with lots of excuses.
If someone questioned your management ability and people skills right after a shameful Tuesday night defeat would you be calm and collected? Even if the accusations were not true?
Are the fans on his back? What constitutes "on his back"? Up to 50 shoeless wonder's in a car park after a game or 15,000 in the ground behind the team?
Were the players arguing left, right and centre on Sat?
Why will he walk? Has he got Keegan style form for walking when things get bad? (was he sacked from Leeds and Luton or did he walk?)
As with the "on his back", What do you class as most fans, when you talk of proving most fans doubts?
Do you mean most of the 20,000+ season ticket holders and fans that go to games, or just a few legends without a shoe in a car park?
Are "Most fans" the majority or is it the few that spout the negativity loudly and repeatedly in a hope that people will join them and stand shoulder to shoulder in the car park?
Are these few then classed as "Most"?
Why is it plain for the eye to see that he will not take us to the promise land? The last two seasons he's progressed up the league and finished higher last season than the season before, both after slow starts. This season he narrowly missed out on Manager of the month in August.
Is the promise land like the Promised land?

Thanks!
 
"It really is simple-minded to think that changing managers will lead to any significant change"

Bizarre.

McEwan to Bassett
Bassett to Kendall
Heath to Warnock
Robson to Blackwell

That's four simple minded changes that had instant impact (although Bassetts was from bad to worse before getting much much better).
Ask a few Spurs fans if they are glad Harry came along when he did.

The "secret" is making sure the next man will change things for the better and of that there is no guarantee.
 
Ollessendro.

If Come from Away's comments were "Absolute bumf. Pure tripe and delusional biscuit theft" then how do you class yours? Pure gold? Platinum?

Just a couple of questions for you to expand on:

1. If Blackwell and Warnock took over a down and out team, then what did Robson take over after last day relegation from the PL?
Why and how does it make "absolutely perfect sense that a new manager would change things around"?
2. Like you requested, I've looked at what Robbins is doing at Barnsley seems like he's the manager there. But he's been there less than 10 games hasn't he?
3. Is that long enough to back up your argument for a change?
4. What evidence is there that a "change at the helm will rectify the problem with "lack of confidence and direction"?
5. Could a change just paper over the cracks for, i don't know, say 10 games?
Then if things aren't better then what do we do?
6. I know that this was directed at CFA, but why SHOULD we expect a change of management? Because we've lost the last 3 games and conceded heavily?
7. I've seen Blackwell and heard him, I don't think he's anymore resigned to losing than, lets say, yourself. In fact I think he's pretty confident that we can turn it around, he's just making statements with lots of excuses.
8. If someone questioned your management ability and people skills right after a shameful Tuesday night defeat would you be calm and collected? Even if the accusations were not true?
9. Are the fans on his back? What constitutes "on his back"? Up to 50 shoeless wonder's in a car park after a game or 15,000 in the ground behind the team?
10. Were the players arguing left, right and centre on Sat?
11. Why will he walk? Has he got Keegan style form for walking when things get bad? (was he sacked from Leeds and Luton or did he walk?)
As with the "on his back", What do you class as most fans, when you talk of proving most fans doubts?
Do you mean most of the 20,000+ season ticket holders and fans that go to games, or just a few legends without a shoe in a car park?
12. Are "Most fans" the majority or is it the ones that spout the negativity loudly and repeatedly in a hope that people will join them and stand shoulder to shoulder in the car park?
13. Why is it plain for the eye to see that he will not take us to the promise land? The last two seasons he's progressed up the league and finished higher last season than the season before, both after slow starts. This season he narrowly missed out on Manager of the month in August.
Is the promise land like the Promised land?

Thanks!

My oh my, you really don't have much to do do you Swiss Blade.

1. Robson took over a very talented bunch of individuals who were unlucky to go down. They were widely expected to go back up to the premiership and were recognised by many as one of the best teams in the championship.
2. Already aswered this. Did you read my post? The players are there, they have the ability, but Blackwell can't get the best out of them. I expect a new manager to give the players the confidence boost they need and get them to start working as a cohesive unit. Concentrate on the basics in training and motivate the players.
3. Robins has (already) come in a got results for a team that looked quite simply awful. Using the same players he has got better results than Davies dreamt about.
4. Maybe not, but the point is that with the same resources a new manager is getting better results.
5. See Grecians post above. If you want a more detailed list I can come up with one. It will just need a bit of reserach and thinking time.
6. KB is the main crack. The team is a good one, it's just the management team is awful.
7. Blackwell has taken us as far as he can. I know that, every other Blade can see that .... except you. Our form stinks. Since we beat Derby we have taken 5 points from 24 games and conceded over 20 goals. We have been well and truly awful. Convincingly beaten by Coventry, Swansea, Blackpool and Scunthorpe. Results have been unacceptable. This is why I want a change of management.
8. I would hold my hands up and say that we were not good enough. I'd hold my hands and say the fans deserve better. And to answer yourr question, yes I'd stay calm. If I really believed in my ability and that I was the right man for the job etc I'd apologise and state that things will change. Him flying off the handle shows his insecurities, the fact that he knows he is on borrowed time and he is not sure he can turn this around.
9. His body language suggests he'll walk. This is my opinion of course. I think that the pressure will become too much for him. He knows he's out of his depth and that he should have left last May.
10. Look at the survey on here: Sack him or back him!!!
11. No the players were not arguing on Saturday. But they were in the 2 previous games.
12. Most means the majority.
13. His tactics are awful, his man management is awful, he doesn't know his bbest team/first 11, he consistently favours poor players and doesn't give others a chance, our form is awful and shows no sign of improving, he struggles to attract decent players to the club, most of his signigns are poor, he can't get the bets out of his players. Need I go?

You see you come across with your patronising arrogance shoving me into the catagory of a Blackwell knocker. Shoes off person or whaever. The same as Micalijo or Fiery. I am not a negative Blade, far from it. Read my other posts and you'll see that I offer critcial based arguments. I love united and I want what is best for them. Kevin Blackwell is not what is best for us and hence I want him to leave. I've ignored the rest of your insults and stuck to answering the questions you've asked. This is partly because I prefer to rise above (and have no interest in insulting you) and partly because I shot down Liam.
 

Ollessendro, you seem to have less to do than Swiss, in answering his list of questions!! :D:D
 
Ollesendro,

Insults? Were a sensitive one aren't we? I managed to knock the post up in minutes, I have a bit to do, but don't tell my boss I'm on here :)

Does your numbering match up? Some of the answers don't seem to match to the question asked.

I read your original post a couple of times to try to understand you fully, then I answered your post with the same tone that you bestowed upon CFA and yes you do normally post decent arguments, but the arguments that you have thrown up in favour of getting rid of Blackie hold no water from my point of view. You compare to Robbins, yet Robbins has been at the Dingles for just a few weeks. I'll remind you that when Blackie took over at the Lane he took us on a great unbeaten run and turned around the results from Robbo. Long term we don't know how Robbins will do, so to compare on this basis is flawed.

I agree that a new manager could boost confidence, but was that what we needed in May, when so many players failed to turn up that Blackie has since shipped out. Do we need a false confidence boost now to lift the players for perhaps 10 games of a new leadership? Or do we need a manager that knows the players and knows how to get the best out of them, like he has proved in the last two seasons? The other points that you suggest can also come from taking a week in the sun (Malta for example, i hear its nice this time of year) and doing some training with sun on your back.

I'm all for change, but it has to be right. Would further disruption be good for these fragile confidence lacking players?

Grecians post, yes fair enough, changes have been made with each new manager suggested, but how long does the impact last, when is the right time to say enough is enough with a manager? Fergie was famously a game away from the sack. Chelsea haven't made the next step up since Jose left them. Newcastle have freefallen (is it a word?) since Allardyce left. Look at Pompey since Harry left. Look at West Ham now Zola's settled in. I think we can both find arguments to suit for keeping and sacking a manager. But feel free to extend Grecians list. However, they'll just be examples not proof or a guarantee of success.

Just because myself and others disagree that now is the right time doesn't make our view red and white tinted, we have different expectations, it doesn't make it tripe etc.

Not every other Blade see's it your way. I agree that the results have been poor lately, but I don't agree with all of your points on point 13. You said the form shows no sign of improving, but wasn't Saturday an improvement on Tuesday? You also contradict your comments in point 2 and 13 regarding the players having ability and Blackie making poor signings or not attracting decent players to the club. You can't have it both ways?

His body language suggests he'll walk? Does it? I'm not an expert. You avoided my question, did he walk from Leeds and Luton? How well have they done since the great change? Surely the fact that he had the balls to come back after saying what he did shows that he has the character to roll his sleeves up?

Yep the survey on here is showing sack him. But again you didn't answer the question on what the Most/ Majority is. Is it just the negative few that shout the loudest and longest or is it everyone? I personally know more people that back him than want to see him sacked. Again whats the representatation that you're using to show the Majority? Is it the 50 fans with shoes off, 15,000 that stayed after the match to applaud or the 7-8000 that just went home. Do they all back or want to sack? You didn't back up your statement. I would suggest that because you concur with the negative few (and i'm not saying that you're one of them) that you think you're the majority because you think you're right. Just like I think i'm in the majority.

Blackie is a heart on the sleeve manager, perhaps the media know they can get a reaction if they push the question post match, maybe its a reason that Ellis often does the post match stuff. Perhaps you should be Blackies Media front man, I can see you're calm and collected from your response.

So as the players weren't arguing on Sat, does that say that things are better or worse than Tuesday? Isn't that a sign of progress from the previous few weeks

I never questioned your love for the Blades, and it goes without saying that you want the best. I'm glad you decided to ignore the "insults" and stick to the questions, it gets a more quantifiable response from you, you still didn't answer all the questions I posed, but it was easier to understand than your previous post of wildly placed statements.

The rest that you ignored weren't insults, merely p*ss taking, its a condition I have, like tourettes.
 
Absolute bumf. Pure tripe. I see some delusions on this site, but this takes the biscuit. As Revolution quite rightly points out both Blackwell and Warnock took over a 'down and out' team and changed things around. Look at what Mark Robbins is doing at Barnsley! It makes absolutely perfect sense that a new manger would change things around! We are talking about a very good squad, a first team that looks very strong and is one of the best in the divsion. However they are playing with a complete lack of confidence and direction. A change at the helm would is likely to rectify this. And, comefromaway, why should we not expect a change of management? Have you seen Blackwell lately? He is resigned to losing, his body language shows is all wrong, players are arguing left right and centre, he's losing it with interviewers and the fans are on his back. He will walk! It's just a matter of time.

Oh and nice try Liam. But your positive spin doesn't convince me at all. My red and White specs are off and I see us going nowhere under Blackwell. And don't lump all fans into one bracket. I supported Blackwell. He was the right man to take over from Robson and he did very well in his first season. he deserved a crack at the job. He did a good job in his first full season, but I feared that the play off final and 3rd place was the best he could do with us. This season has proved most fans doubts that he has taken us as far as he can. It's plain for the eye to see that he will not take us to the promise land.

Oh Lord I have sinned. I thought perhaps we might be able to think in context, but no, lets change the assumptions so we can win the argument. The context to which I refer is the current situation, i.e., the first losing streak since Blackwell took over. When he took over from Robson it was not a question of just losing two or three games, which is the current circumstance. If by mid-january we are still in 16th place (with a full squad and perhaps additions) then we have to look at the manager because what we have is a quality squad good enough to compete with the best in this league. Based on his record to date Blackwell has shown that he can produce a competitive team more often than not. Hence, my reaction to a short stumble is not to dump the manager but to try and fix what is not working in the team. Whether I like the style of play or not is irrelevant as it is clear it is successful, so the question is how does Blackwell restore the team to its previous success, what might he do. I think you start by fixing the back four. Moaning about hoof ball is just so much hot air. Like Blackwell said Doncaster had 46+ hoofs to our 36 and folk call them a passing team. I'd rather deal with the possible and let results, not predictions, be my guide. :thumbup:
 
"When he took over from Robson it was not a question of just losing two or three games, which is the current circumstance."

Although Robson never lost 3 games on the bounce (or indeed had a six game no win streak).

Why the Hell did we sack Robbo then!

Shoes on if you love Robson

Robson In:D
 
My oh my, I'll get the sack if I keep up at this rate.

I must admit I got a little board in the last post and hence my numbers might not match up!?

Yes, we need a manager that gets the best out of the players Swiss. But I don't think Blackwell is that man. By no means am I saying we should get Tom, Dick or Harry in. It is important we make the right choice this time; for the longer term.

Of course there are arguments for sacking or keeping a manager. But what are the arguments for keeping Blackwell? Change is bad. Give him to the end of the season. We played well last year. I really can'te see him taking us forward. the guy just isn't up to it. Here is a question for you: do you really believe Blackwell is the man to take Sheffield united to the premier league and keep us there???

Oh yeah we played better on Saturday, but still it was nowhere near good enough. You can say: we scored 3, we should have drawn, we kept the ball on the deck etc. But the simple fact is we got beat at home by an average side. Not only that but they scored 4 goals! Yes, this is an improvement on getting hammered by Blackpool. However is it better than losing to Swansea, Scunthorpe and Coventry? What about our draws against lowly Doncaster and Ipswich? Was Saturdays loss an improvement on drawing to Ipswich (without a win all season)?? The point is we've been playing average to poor sides and being comprehensively beaten. How long are you willing to wait before these 'improvements' mean we start winning games?

How do you know more people want to back him rather than sack him. Just because they get behind the team on matchday doesn't mean they don't think Blackwell is not up to it. I for one would not have been booing on Saturday. Nor would I have been calling for Blackwells head or with my shoes off in the car park. I would have stayed and clapped the players if I thought they deserved it. But in the pub at 5.30 I would have been saying to my mates, 'Blackwell ius out of his depth and I think we should get rid'. I use a lot of statistics in my job and what we have on here (back him or sack him) is a sample of the population. We see that the overwhelming makority is for Blackwell to be sacked. Hence I have statistical evidence that most, 'the majority' oif Blades want Blackwell out. What is your evidence? Oh, 15000 stopped behind and clapped. Great.

Personally I'm not happy as a pig in shit that players are not arguing. I do not see losing 4-3 at home as an improvement. It is still completely unnacceptable. What on earth is going on when we turn round and say 'well the fans clapped, the player didn't argue and we nearly didn't lose ....... let's go and celebrate'. If we lose at home to Newcastle, but concede less goals and play a little better, will that be an improvement?? I'm sorry Swiss, but if you think this current situation is a good one, that the cloud has a silver lining because we almost drew, then you really are wearing red and white spectacles!!??
 
I figured the numbers thing out, so not a problem

Glad you asked a couple of questions, I think you're the first of the Blackwell out Brigade to ask these things.

Firstly and something which I find pretty crucial. Blackie has proved in the past that he can turn bad form into good, maybe he won't do it this time, but I believe he will turn it around and within a few weeks we'll be laughing about this. Blackie knows the players. There's been a number of injuries, not all to key players, but its meant that we've had to play players that aren't fit. Its not excuses for the defeats and the form but i'd like to see him have more time to get these players fit and see how he works with them. I think he'll get the best out of them then for us to see that then yes I'd like him to see the season out.

Any new man would need time, apparently the situation is so desperate that we don't have time.

I also don't believe that there are many managers out there at the moment that could dramatically change things and make big changes under the expectation that Blades have now. Who'd come in and do what we needed Blackie to do when he replaced Robbo to replace Blackie? We want results changes fast. Performances would be secondary. We're desperate remember

Do you really believe Blackwell is the man to take Sheffield united to the premier league and keep us there???
Yes he can get us there, not sure how he'd perform in the PL, I have the feeling that he'd try to play a different way up there and I don't think that'd be a good thing. However, I don't think that we will be promoted this season, I think we'll make the play off spots at best. We've had too many changes and a dip in form was expected, perhaps not this early, but looking back with the huge number of games we've played in a short space its no wonder we've dipped now.

We got beat on Sat by a team on form. I agree losing is never good, but some of your earlier points were that there has been no improvement, well the signs are that the improvements are coming, just sit tight is all i'm saying, lets not get carried away with sacking hysteria.

A few years ago we always struggled against the crap sides but performed against the top sides, last season was the opposite.

Did I say that more people want to back him than sack him? Did I say that the 15000 that applauded was my evidence? No, I said I know more people that want to back him. I asked you how you quantify the "majority" of fans. I gave examples of groups and you assumed from this, but its ok. Good to hear that you use stats, so you'll know then that on a survey like back or sack him, is also flawed like some of your other arguments. I guess you don't need me to explain why its not a sample of the population. You'll also know about the reliability of statistics.

I don't think I ever said I was happy with the situation and if I implied this can you show me where I did. Improvement doesn't indicate happiness, improvement is relative to where we were on Tuesday.

Do you expect us to beat Newcastle at home? Afterall we lost to Wolves and Burnley at home last season and the hysteria wasn't there last season, but then it was ok and understandable as it wasn't on the back of a 3 game losing streak. This season it'll be a fourth straight defeat so somehow its much worse. I'd say if we put on a display and still lose, like we did v Cardiff, then we're moving in the right direction. Or will you only be satisfied with a win no matter how it comes against the top team in the league.
 
For many fans I feel it's not simply the 3 game losing streak, it's more the performances we have had to endure. This season alone. I appreciate this is subjective but:

Port vale
Leicester
Coventry
Swansea
Ipswich
Doncaster
Scunthorpe
Blackpool

All of these games were an awful spectacle in my view and the fans I spoke to who were in attendance.

8/16 were unacceptable...

no time to carry on but might later.
 
I don't have time to asnwer all your questions Swiss, but I'll come back to you with some thoughts.

Yes Blackwell has proved he can turn a situation around, BUT it has never been a situation that he caused. If you take the example of him coming in after Robsons mess then he turned it around, but he hadn't got us into the mess. I think it's different this time. I just can't see him getting us out of this hole.

As for the new man. Of course he would need time. I think Blades fans would be more patient with the 'right' man. If they attempted to play football and got the tactics right then Blades would give him some space. Plus, what's to say the new man might take things off. He has a fantastic bunch of players at his disposal, in a not so great division. Who's to say he couldn't turn things around quickly. In fact KB even did it.

You think Blackwell can take us to the Premier league. This is were we fundamentally disagree. This is why we shall never really be on the same page. I believe he blew his chance last year. His time is up and he will not take us up. Even if we got us, he is so clueless that we'd be getting thumped every week!?

No, actaully I do need you to explain to me why it is not a sample for the population. Becasue as far as i can see it is sample. It migh not be a random sample, but it is still a sample. Probably the best we have. Short of sending out questionnaires to season ticket holders, or recording peoples views when they go into the ground, then you are going to struggle to get a better sample. Unless you can suggest something. Of course the sample could be a little biased, but the only way you can eliminate all possible bias is to ask the whole population! I'm not sure what other readers think, but I think my evidence of looking at a sample of Blades fans and seeing that they overwhelming want to sack Blackwell is more sound and robsut than 'you knowing a lot of Blades who want to back him'.

If you'd asked me at the start of the season 'do you expect us to beat Newcastle at home' I would have said yes. Now I guess i'd be happy to be getting anything from the game. However, I won't be happy if we keep the ball on the deck, play well but lose. Why should we not beat them (other than being on poor form and having an inadequate manager)?? They are not on form (1 win in 5) and despite being top of the league they are not great and we are at home.
 
Swiss, I am intersted. Can you find me a better sample than 252 Blades fans who voted on a forum (surveyed) which shows evidence of United fans backing Blackwell?
 
Given that it is clear Blackwell is around for a while all this speculative chat is not going to lead anywhere: it appeared that some felt they were the leading edge for change. Like I said, if we are still around 16th come Feb it might be on the cards but with planned investment in Jan nothing is coming before then.
 
Given that it is clear Blackwell is around for a while all this speculative chat is not going to lead anywhere: it appeared that some felt they were the leading edge for change. Like I said, if we are still around 16th come Feb it might be on the cards but with planned investment in Jan nothing is coming before then.

Planned Investment?
Is that up to the level shelled out before the season began ie Nothing
Planned Investment my arse!
 

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