Andy Woodward/David White

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I absolutely applaud their bravery. They should not be the ones to feel they have something shameful to hide.

From what I was reading, Bennell did not face conviction for all the allegations... I'm assuming some of the historic stuff was difficult to prove. That shameful excuse for a man is out on licence living under a false name.

Crewe should also face sanctions for failing to safeguard the youngsters in their care. It took until yesterday for them to announce an internal investigation.
 
If he's out on license surely he should be prosecuted for the new offences that are coming to light.

How can our justice system allow a convicted, serial paedophile to live under an assumed name ? No doubt it will be down to civil liberties or some other mealy mouthed excuse but what about his victims and more importantly future potential victims ?
 
Must admit very disappointed with John Bowlers attitude to it all, took a while to get a statement out about it. Might be just me but comes across a bit combative about it (I appreciate the interviewer may have wound him up beforehand) would've thought a bit more compassion was due, especially as it happened on his watch.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38071793

Makes you wonder how many other "Bennells" there were/are.
 
Cannot believe how dark the world really is, ever since Jimmy Saville was exposed there has been an avalanche of abuse cases in all walks of life. What's even more shocking is I think we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
 
FriethBlade said:
If he's out on license surely he should be prosecuted for the new offences that are coming to light.

How can our justice system allow a convicted, serial paedophile to live under an assumed name ? No doubt it will be down to civil liberties or some other mealy mouthed excuse but what about his victims and more importantly future potential victims ?
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Fuck the victims, he has rights and has been re-habilitated. :mad:

Fucking do gooding twats that think this without a thought for the victims
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Cannot believe how dark the world really is, ever since Jimmy Saville was exposed there has been an avalanche of abuse cases in all walks of life. What's even more shocking is I think we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
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Good... For all those people who have had to live with the secrets and tried to cope with them anyway they could, be it drink or drugs. And for those who sadly could not live with their secrets... this kind of stuff needs to come out into the open and to be dealt with.

If any child is being abused now hopefully they'll see these ex-footballers speaking out and have the courage to do so themselves.

And the FA need to take a strong and vociferous view on this.
 
I remember a few years ago that a large scale paedophile ring was exposed in Belgium .... involving people in very high places. At the time I thought "thank god we don't have anything like that going on here". Little did I know....

Just goes to show that complacency and an (unquestioning) trust that people in positions of responsibility and power will "do the right thing" can lead to some truly awful outcomes.
 
Linz said:
I absolutely applaud their bravery. They should not be the ones to feel they have something shameful to hide.

From what I was reading, Bennell did not face conviction for all the allegations... I'm assuming some of the historic stuff was difficult to prove. That shameful excuse for a man is out on licence living under a false name.

Crewe should also face sanctions for failing to safeguard the youngsters in their care. It took until yesterday for them to announce an internal investigation.
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HoodedClaw said:
Must admit very disappointed with John Bowlers attitude to it all, took a while to get a statement out about it. Might be just me but comes across a bit combative about it (I appreciate the interviewer may have wound him up beforehand) would've thought a bit more compassion was due, especially as it happened on his watch.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38071793

Makes you wonder how many other "Bennells" there were/are.
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Yep heard that this morning and was thinking why has it took till now for you as a club to act. You should have been investigating the moment it came to light to protect any other potential victims first.
 
Be they footballers, bankers, miners, council workers, roadsweepers etc. etc. may they all have the courage to open up and send all these power-abusers where they belong. To abuse the soul of somebody trusted to your responsibilty, be you a football coach, a bank manager, a council worker, a roadsweeper or whatever, may you rot in hell. And that applies to the bosses who took advantage of staff at Xmas parties, what? Much the same actually.
 
paedophiles can be very calculating individuals and try to place themselves in positions where they have easy access to children...look at all the stuff coming out from the children homes back in the 60s and 70s. in this case he was just as 'clever'as he had access to children who relied on his influence to try and get pro football contracts.

these kind of people are the scum of the earth and i dont think most of them can ever change their behaviour, i would lock them up for good...but then i guess thats one reason Im not part of the criminal justice system !
 
FriethBlade said:
paedophiles can be very calculating individuals and try to place themselves in positions where they have easy access to children...look at all the stuff coming out from the children homes back in the 60s and 70s. in this case he was just as 'clever'as he had access to children who relied on his influence to try and get pro football contracts.

these kind of people are the scum of the earth and i dont think most of them can ever change their behaviour, i would lock them up for good...but then i guess thats one reason Im not part of the criminal justice system !
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What a shame that we all have that question in our minds about cubs and scout leaders, swimming coaches, teachers, football coaches, soldiers, bank managers, television presenters, DJ's, M.P's, prime ministers, next door neighbours, shopkeepers, grandads for god's sake etc.etc.

So pleased my own parents didn't live long enough to witness all this. Good luck to the kids and the grandkids.
 
HoodedClaw said:
Fuck the victims, he has rights and has been re-habilitated. :mad:

Fucking do gooding twats that think this without a thought for the victims
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Without wanting to come across as a do-gooder, what do you suggest we do with paedopiles?
 



YES Blade said:
Without wanting to come across as a do-gooder, what do you suggest we do with paedopiles?
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Start off by letting them have one minute in a room.

One minute with every parent of every child .........

Then have their privates cut off.
 
Such an horrific situation.At least now they have the right procedures and tests in place to try prevent this happening nowadays having said that if you have a clean record you are in.

Anyone noticed any of the "news briefs" stating former Sheffield United players Woodward and not elaborating leaving people to assume this happened at The Club?
 
Thing is, people imagine this is somewhat a 'new matter'.

Can anyone imagine what institutions, orphanges and schools were like in Victorian, Edwardian, Georgian times, even beyond? Places where the shitheads had 'de word o' de lawd!' to back up their disgraceful predilections? My dad was shoved into a fucking Nazareth House institution in Southend in the 1930s and the physical and sexual abuse there was horrendous - not just by the male 'Masters', but the fucking nuns were at it too. If they weren't beating you for wanking, they were using very young lads to satisfy what the church had taken away from them in piety. Whilst this might seem to some as some kind of humorous sideshow issue, its no different to Bennell and Saville. It's paedophilia.

I'll say now though. Nonces are sick people and need help and removing from contact. They are calculating, strategic bastards who deserve reprogramming. I remain against capital punishment, because in my eyes, its still barbaric and disproportionate. And given some of the cases which have proven to be wrongful convictions, w could be hanging people who are completely innocent.

pommpey
 
YES Blade said:
Without wanting to come across as a do-gooder, what do you suggest we do with paedopiles?
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Keep them out of society.

I don't believe you can be "rehabilitated" for paedophilia. In my opinion it's a sexual orientation, not an addiction like drink or drugs.

I struggle to think of many crimes worse than sexual abuse of children, it's all very calculated IMO. They know what they are doing is wrong otherwise they wouldn't threaten the children into not saying anything.

It takes a really sick kind of person to get themselves into a position of trust and opportunity to do what Bennell/Saville etc have done.

I'll fire the question back at you YES Blade what do you suggest we do with them?
 
HoodedClaw said:
Keep them out of society.

I don't believe you can be "rehabilitated" for paedophilia. In my opinion it's a sexual orientation, not an addiction like drink or drugs.

I struggle to think of many crimes worse than sexual abuse of children, it's all very calculated IMO. They know what they are doing is wrong otherwise they wouldn't threaten the children into not saying anything.

It takes a really sick kind of person to get themselves into a position of trust and opportunity to do what Bennell/Saville etc have done.

I'll fire the question back at you YES Blade what do you suggest we do with them?
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It's a horrible and emotive topic. It is fairly well established, for example, that a significant proportion of child abusers were themselves abused as children. Clearly such perpetrators must be stopped, but you can't lose sight of the fact that they too are victims and were failed as vulnerable children. It is so easy to damage, often irreparably, a child's view of the world, leaving them to stumble blinking and twisted into adulthood. How do you judge somebody who's childhood has been so blighted? Can they be rehabilitated, and if not do they deserve to be 'punished'?

Of course then there are the likes of Savile who, from what I have read, had a relatively normal upbringing and seemed just to be a predatory, sick and evil man. A career criminal of the most despicable and unforgiveable kind.

I don't know the background of Bennell but the point I suppose is that it's unfair to equate abusers of the type described in my 1st paragraph with the likes of Savile. Is it fair to say that 1 needs treatment, the other needs treatment and deserves punishment? No easy answers, testified by the fact that we seem no closer to eradicating this affliction on society.
 
LYDON said:
Another ex-Blade reveals he was abused by Barry Bennell.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/23/david-white

Shocking as the stories are, we must applaud the players now coming forward and telling their stories.

I wonder if there's a million more stones to be unturned.
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Agree mate, and I hope the resources are provided for each person brave enough (yes, I said brave) to step forward and confront their demons so publicly. Whatever happened will have diminished them in ways I'll never know. They may feel culpable in some strange, indefinable way. This is part of the predator's psychology, to make the innocent victim feel as if they've somehow contributed to whatever happened. It's bad enough when something like this happens at any time in someone's life, but for young kids it's their own personal nightmare, and I hope the FA bring in specialised psychological help who can offer long-term for each of the victims......I hope that if any of the guilty are still alive they are given custodial sentences with ongoing help for this sickness, just to ensure that they never again cause this degree of harm to another child, although you'd hope they'd be put on a register for sexual offenders and never have contact with children again.
 
Blade for Sale said:
It's a horrible and emotive topic. It is fairly well established, for example, that a significant proportion of child abusers were themselves abused as children. Clearly such perpetrators must be stopped, but you can't lose sight of the fact that they too are victims and were failed as vulnerable children. It is so easy to damage, often irreparably, a child's view of the world, leaving them to stumble blinking and twisted into adulthood. How do you judge somebody who's childhood has been so blighted? Can they be rehabilitated, and if not do they deserve to be 'punished'?.
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Can't argue with it being an horrible and emotive subject.

Of course all sufferers of abuse are victims and should get all the help and assistance they need.

Surely they get judged when they get caught breaking the law? Given the number of cases that have come to light, not everyone who was abused abuses, this to me shows those that do have a problem that can't be rehabilitated and they deserve the harshest of punishments available, exclusion from society.

If you could guarantee that they wouldn't do it again, then possibly they could be re-integrated.
 
Blade for Sale said:
It's a horrible and emotive topic. It is fairly well established, for example, that a significant proportion of child abusers were themselves abused as children. Clearly such perpetrators must be stopped, but you can't lose sight of the fact that they too are victims and were failed as vulnerable children. It is so easy to damage, often irreparably, a child's view of the world, leaving them to stumble blinking and twisted into adulthood. How do you judge somebody who's childhood has been so blighted? Can they be rehabilitated, and if not do they deserve to be 'punished'?

Of course then there are the likes of Savile who, from what I have read, had a relatively normal upbringing and seemed just to be a predatory, sick and evil man. A career criminal of the most despicable and unforgiveable kind.

I don't know the background of Bennell but the point I suppose is that it's unfair to equate abusers of the type described in my 1st paragraph with the likes of Savile. Is it fair to say that 1 needs treatment, the other needs treatment and deserves punishment? No easy answers, testified by the fact that we seem no closer to eradicating this affliction on society.
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I think they need both punishing and treatment. And the most important thing is to make sure they can never be in a position to offend again.
I've also read that many abusers were abused as children so it's really important to break the cycle. The fewer the children abused, the fewer that grow up tone abusers themselves.
 
BushBlade said:
I think they need both punishing and treatment. And the most important thing is to make sure they can never be in a position to offend again.
I've also read that many abusers were abused as children so it's really important to break the cycle. The fewer the children abused, the fewer that grow up tone abusers themselves.
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The thing is Bush, the only way to do that is to lock them up for life.

There was a documentary series on recently about social workers, and the cases they deal with (in Brighton I think) and one child sex offender who had been through all sorts of "treatment" and was out on license and was caught on film, sitting on a park bench, opposite an infant or junior school, just staring at the kids. I think he said (when interviewed by the social worker as to what was going on) that he was trying his best but just could not control his urges.
 
Jnr has played, and continues to play, football since he was five. It's been wonderful for him. Lady HB and I have so enjoyed watching his development and more importantly his enjoyment of the game. No different had he played a different sport, or music, or cadets etc.

I can't start to imagine the awfulness and horror of finding out that one's child had been robbed of this and so much more.

Sometimes, probably quite often, the criminal justice system does NOT do justice.
 
Grappler said:
The thing is Bush, the only way to do that is to lock them up for life.

There was a documentary series on recently about social workers, and the cases they deal with (in Brighton I think) and one child sex offender who had been through all sorts of "treatment" and was out on license and was caught on film, sitting on a park bench, opposite an infant or junior school, just staring at the kids. I think he said (when interviewed by the social worker as to what was going on) that he was trying his best but just could not control his urges.
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Sadly, I think you may be right. But would it drive it further underground if it meant permanent imprisonment? Would they go to greater lengths to conceal their crimes if you got more for being a paedo? And, realistically, can we afford it?
I genuinely don't know the answers.
 



So much respect for guy This does feel like a dam breaking a trickle at first, but could be a flood as it so similar to Jimmy Saville. Where 1 comes out, others come out because of him, & others come out because of them. So on. Worryingly Pat Nevin said "wouldnt surprise me if it still going on today"
 
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