CONFIRMED Andre Brooks sold to Norwich

[Blademan89]

but are all here? lol

Im guessing its the players on loan, and the ones we didnt keep once contracts ran out. One thats still here who hes probably alluding too is McGuinness, but we will never know who he was talking about, I guess.

Hey brooks might have been one knowing he wasnt going to sign a new contract and got tapped up by Norwich for more money, who knows.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Nagima]

Yes coaches get it wrong and I imagine everyone didnt agree with your coaching methods in the 3 sports you mention ,everyone has a right to an opinion !
especially an educated one.Our academy has turned out a lot of good players with some special ones.I trust Wilder and his coaches to continue doing this and as I say there is a right time to give them there chance! If earned!.
As fans we are all frustrated at how the window has gone so far !
Throwing kids in that arnt ready is not the way to go.

Yes the acadamy has turned out some great players. N'diyae being the best, But it was Slav who played him. I am saying that Wilder is too conservative in my opinion. I would rather have up and coming players in the squad than wasting time and money on Rothwell, McGuinness Doherty and Canon.
Marsh is 22 as is Baptiste they aren't kids. If the aren't good enough now they never will be.

 

[wak1889]

But being a devoted Christian he wouldn't join Wilders drinking club so he was under the curse of 'The Banner Cross!'

I'm not a devoutly religious person but even I know that Christianity doesn't forbid drinking, in fact a famous fella once turned water into wine, in it's in the bible , so his not drinking would be personal choice rather than following scripture, perhaps if he were Muslim your comments would make more sense

 

[54yrblade]

Some of the Wilderettes will have nothing critical said against him no matter how much truth and evidence there is. There certainly were a few times last season when he gobbed off about Brooks and Seriki,he ran them into the ground some matches when there was no need. He’s deflecting the pressure that is building on himself.

Nothing is ever his fault.

Good results, he's front and centre. Poor results, off down the tunnel to leave his team to it, the fans too at Wembley.

Thats not the behaviour of a good leader.

If he said, occasionally 'that's on me' I'd have more time for him.

But we're now past that point.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Did you hear wilders interview yesterday?

To paraphrase he said - "if hamer didn't want to hold contract talks... it was the same with Andre Brooks"

What Are we meant to do if players won't renew contracts? Better to get rid, surely?

Maybe ask questions has too why they didn't want to sign a new deal ?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Did you hear wilders interview yesterday?

To paraphrase he said - "if hamer didn't want to hold contract talks... it was the same with Andre Brooks"

What Are we meant to do if players won't renew contracts? Better to get rid, surely?

I don’t think it’s out of the way to ask “Why?” A lad who’s come through the academy and clearly has an affinity for the club, won’t talk about a new contract.

The “let’s just get rid, he’s a bad egg” approach can’t be the same for all the players we get rid of.

Are we lowballing them on new deals?
Are we poor at engaging with agents?
Do we wait too long?
Do they like the atmosphere at the club?
Was the manager calling them out unfairly in post match interviews last season?

I don’t for one minute believe that Brooks would have moved to Norwich if we’d offered him a similar deal and he was happy at the club.

 

[mattbianco1]

I don’t think it’s out of the way to ask “Why?” A lad who’s come through the academy and clearly has an affinity for the club, won’t talk about a new contract.

The “let’s just get rid, he’s a bad egg” approach can’t be the same for all the players we get rid of.

Are we lowballing them on new deals?
Are we poor at engaging with agents?
Do we wait too long?
Do they like the atmosphere at the club?
Was the manager calling them out unfairly in post match interviews last season?

I don’t for one minute believe that Brooks would have moved to Norwich if we’d offered him a similar deal and he was happy at the club.

Agreed.

 

[Bladesman]

Nothing is ever his fault.

Good results, he's front and centre. Poor results, off down the tunnel to leave his team to it, the fans too at Wembley.

Thats not the behaviour of a good leader.

If he said, occasionally 'that's on me' I'd have more time for him.

But we're now past that point.

He rarely says its on him.

 

[Davalon]

Fair comment from Clement. I can see Brooksy wanting to get the fans onside early but getting a booking for taking your shirt should be a club fine.

It's not a natural reaction to scoring as I've heard some say and unnecessarily takes you closer to suspension.

Also like the fact Clement is thinking about later rounds and clearly wants to progress.

 

[Nagima]

The signings in our second season were mostly young players with potential for exactly that reason, we signed Berge in the January, and Brewster, Ramsdale, Bogle and Lowe in the summer. What is the argument, regardless? Slater has eventually developed into a decent, midtable Championship player, he'd have been no help in the PL as a teen.

Not sure what the argument is again. We utilised the academy perfectly in his case, we played him as a young player to bolster the squad, developed him into a player that a bigger team would want and sold him for a large fee.

The strategy is develop good players and use them as we see fit, same as any other club. When they're good enough to bolster the squad they play, when we get good offers for them we sell to help reinvest. We didn't drop modern club legends like Fleck and Norwood for Slater because he wasn't good enough, but we did drop Didsy and Sharp for Osula because he was.

Ramsdale was sold for a million to help us get off our arse in LG1, a good fee for a player that had proven nothing at that point. We bought him back later when we needed a keeper and sold him for a big profit again. All good business.

Hecky didn't take to Slimane either, or more likely both recognised that he wasn't good enough to play in the PL. Both gave him minutes regardless given our lack of options. Wes was brought in for free as backup for Ramsdale wasn't he? When Ramsdale left he became no.1 without being outstanding so was given competition. Hardly a misused talent, we got the most out of an average, aging keeper.

We clearly make poor decisions as a club from time to time, as does Wilder as a manager. Perhaps having a DoF would help, but we aren't underperforming massively relative to our natural level and have achieved more than most recently with our "outdated" model.

Curtis was awful in league 1 a few years ago and had a decent 6 month loan in league 2 last season. Wilder will have watched his games, seen him back in training and decided that he's still not up to it. We signed him because he was a young player with potential that might have become good enough. He still might. Why did Brighton sign Tommy Watson for £10mill, loan him out to the Championship last season and now to Leicester in LG1?

We did see where Baptiste was at, he was playing every week at relegated Rotherham in LG1. Before loaning him out, Wilder will have seen him in training. I also want to see young players given a chance now, particularly given our financial situation, but it's no good playing kids that aren't even close to being ready; it's not fair on them and would be a disaster for us.

My point is that while we got good money for Osula and Ramsdale, money has not been invested wisely for years. We have bought overtime Big money for players with little return. Brewster over £20M Berge £23M, Cannon £10M, Gus, O'Hare, Cooper are about the 3 players who were good value.

Now we are in the position of free transfers and loans. If Baptise Marsh and Curtis are not up to playing in the championsip then why are they here.
Peck and Arblaster played because we didnt have anyone else and they both showed they are good enough at this level. So why not try some of the others instead of bringing in players like Clarke, Shackleton, Rothwell, Doherty, Mee, Ogbene, McGuinness, Barry. Matsos, Summare,. Burke, Callum Robinson, Ings.

The problem from our first promotion to PL with Wilder is that we were dependent on older players. Stevens, Baldock, Basham Norwood, Fleck Didsy, Sharp. What was supposed to strengthen the team and replace those players hasnt happened.

When Ramsdale was sold the second time. We got Olsen who was very poor, We then tried Verrips who was hopeless.
Wes then got a go and did well. We then get Grbic, rubbish and then got it right. Last season we played Cooper when he was injured making the injury worse. Leaving us with Davies.

Regarding Curtis. Peterborough were a shambles with Ferguson going into melt down. He had a very young defence with no experienced players with them. He spent the first half of the season, continually swapping players in and out.
Curtis may ultimately be not good enough but I would prefer to find that out by looking at him getting some game time playing for us this season, rather than another year on loan and having to look at Doherty.

 

[AWetFlannel]

My point is that while we got good money for Osula and Ramsdale, money has not been invested wisely for years. We have bought overtime Big money for players with little return. Brewster over £20M Berge £23M, Cannon £10M, Gus, O'Hare, Cooper are about the 3 players who were good value.

Every club, even Brighton and Brentford, get transfers wrong. Money was invested wisely into Ramsdale which is why we made a massive profit on him. You can't just ignore all the successes and focus on the failures. I think your analysis of our transfer activity is way off.

Now we are in the position of free transfers and loans. If Baptise Marsh and Curtis are not up to playing in the championsip then why are they here.

Because they have the potential to develop into Championship players, I thought everyone understood how this worked. If they don't manage to make that progress, as the vast majority don't, you're stuck with them until their contracts run out.

The problem from our first promotion to PL with Wilder is that we were dependent on older players. Stevens, Baldock, Basham Norwood, Fleck Didsy, Sharp. What was supposed to strengthen the team and replace those players hasnt happened.

When Ramsdale was sold the second time. We got Olsen who was very poor, We then tried Verrips who was hopeless.
Wes then got a go and did well. We then get Grbic, rubbish and then got it right. Last season we played Cooper when he was injured making the injury worse. Leaving us with Davies.

Regarding Curtis. Peterborough were a shambles with Ferguson going into melt down. He had a very young defence with no experienced players with them. He spent the first half of the season, continually swapping players in and out.
Curtis may ultimately be not good enough but I would prefer to find that out by looking at him getting some game time playing for us this season, rather than another year on loan and having to look at Doherty.

Wilder needs to players like Curtis and decide whether they're good enough, he doesn't need to play him in games that matter to prove it to the fans. His job is to filter those players out before they cost us points for no return.

 

[I should coco]

I’m on the other side of this argument Coco, in the fact that I absolutely don’t dislike Wilder, quite the opposite, but do think it’s time for a change in direction. However, this anti-Wilder/Wilder haters vs Wilder Fan Boys/ Wilderettes slant is pathetic.

I’m not aiming this at any specific poster but this is a forum where people share options - and they’re going to differ. That’s life… but clearly not on the internet

Thanks for the reasonable reply.

I do try sometimes to let it wash over me, but sometimes I bite at the anti Wilder rants.

I know. I should know better....

 

[Nagima]

Every club, even Brighton and Brentford, get transfers wrong. Money was invested wisely into Ramsdale which is why we made a massive profit on him. You can't just ignore all the successes and focus on the failures. I think your analysis of our transfer activity is way off.

Because they have the potential to develop into Championship players, I thought everyone understood how this worked. If they don't manage to make that progress, as the vast majority don't, you're stuck with them until their contracts run out.

Wilder needs to players like Curtis and decide whether they're good enough, he doesn't need to play him in games that matter to prove it to the fans. His job is to filter those players out before they cost us points for no return.

Here it is nice and simple.
A few successes here and there don't come near to out weighing. (Cooper Riedewald, Bamford Bindon.)
We mostly signed crap...permanent and loans....Rothwell Cannon....Doherty.....Mee....Ings..Chong..McGuinness.....Ogbene......Barry...who dont have the interest or ceiling to get any better.

Peck and Arblaster show that the can compete effectively at 20 years of age.
Marsh is 22 Baptiste is 22 Curtis is 20 They are either good enough now or they are not. Training doesn't show everyhing either some just have it when they are playing real games.

I would rather see our acadamy players getting ago rather than give 5 loans and permanent contracts to dross. If they can't come on as a sub at 20 in the championship, then our acadamy needs an overhaul just like our scouts, recruitment and coaches.

There is no point being at a championship club aged 22 with potential if you are not in the first team squad.

 

[Frank the tank]

Here it is nice and simple.
A few successes here and there don't come near to out weighing. (Cooper Riedewald, Bamford Bindon.)
We mostly signed crap...permanent and loans....Rothwell Cannon....Doherty.....Mee....Ings..Chong..McGuinness.....Ogbene......Barry...who dont have the interest or ceiling to get any better.

Peck and Arblaster show that the can compete effectively at 20 years of age.
Marsh is 22 Baptiste is 22 Curtis is 20 They are either good enough now or they are not. Training doesn't show everyhing either some just have it when they are playing real games.

I would rather see our acadamy players getting ago rather than give 5 loans and permanent contracts to dross. If they can't come on as a sub at 20 in the championship, then our acadamy needs an overhaul just like our scouts, recruitment and coaches.

There is no point being at a championship club aged 22 with potential if you are not in the first team squad.

Seriki was 23 before he looked
Capable
Your point is invalid

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Miss him everyday, me.

 

[Kenilworth]

I don't believe a word of what Wilder waffles on about, it is all about making himself look good. Full of most of the time. Why do our academy product never get into the first team until they are 20-21 year old we should be drip feeding them in at 18 like other clubs do. Ryan Oné will be ruined if he stays here Wilder won't use him unless there is no other option, no doubt he will persist with the donkey that is Tom Cannon.

That utter nonsense.

 

[CPB]

Good to see.

 

[103SecondsOfMagic]

For all the bleating and woe is us losing Mussaba, Gassama and Bannan, this is merely because they had the need enforced upon them.

We’ve had it by a thousand cuts many times over. Can’t remember many stories of outrageous sales by them. Plenty of hanging on and not selling because they thought they were bigger than they are. Pretty sure they could have cashed in on David Hirst at one point with Man U even interested. Went in the end diminished by injuries rather than for a big fee.

We’ve had Deane/Fjortoft, the two Kyles, the summer of Sander/Iliman, David Brooks, André Brooks and there will be others.

But the lights are still on and the begging bowls are not out.

We’ll still be competitive even if we have to have something old and something borrowed this year.

Deane/Fjortoft on the same day
Kevin McDonald
James Beattie
Jaden Bogle
Curtis Woodhouse

To a lesser degree Marcelo, Nick Blackman, even Jordan Slew...

I agree btw, just seeing how many more times I can remember having the rug pulled!

 

[Kenilworth]

You n

Excellent post. Perfectly summed up by signing Ings and denying One a real chance.

You normally talk sense but One was not ready last season. He was no where near ready when Hecky threw him in vs Palace in the Prem.
This season is the one for One. He has to break through and he could be an absolute gem for us this season.

 

[Kenilworth]

He went out the back door of Wembley like your mate Wilder, who skulked off. Maybe you don’t remember?

I fucking went out the back door at Wembley and went straight home. Like many other fans who have witnessed the same shit time after time. What’s he supposed to do? “Enjoy” a lap of fucking shame that we’ve shit the bed again?
Can’t fathom it. I was pissed off he was probably more pissed off since he believed we’d have fucked off the hoodoo under his leadership but still failed. Don’t you think that would have hurt him to the core?.
But, no. Lilly livered critics suggest he went out the back door because he was nesh. Utter, utter bollocks. He was as fucked off as I was and wanted no part in seeing Sunderland Lord it off and jizz all over the place.
Honestly. I fucking despair of some of the crap people spout at times. Fucking acting like Gen Z bonded when they’re no where near Gen Z age. it’s pathetic.

 

[Davalon]

I fucking went out the back door at Wembley and went straight home. Like many other fans who have witnessed the same shit time after time. What’s he supposed to do? “Enjoy” a lap of fucking shame that we’ve shit the bed again?
Can’t fathom it. I was pissed off he was probably more pissed off since he believed we’d have fucked off the hoodoo under his leadership but still failed. Don’t you think that would have hurt him to the core?.
But, no. Lilly livered critics suggest he went out the back door because he was nesh. Utter, utter bollocks. He was as fucked off as I was and wanted no part in seeing Sunderland Lord it off and jizz all over the place.
Honestly. I fucking despair of some of the crap people spout at times. Fucking acting like Gen Z bonded when they’re no where near Gen Z age. it’s pathetic.

It's called leadership mate.

 

[Davalon]

Good to see Andre there.

Top lad and proper Blade.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Deane/Fjortoft on the same day
Kevin McDonald
James Beattie
Jaden Bogle
Curtis Woodhouse

To a lesser degree Marcelo, Nick Blackman, even Jordan Slew...

I agree btw, just seeing how many more times I can remember having the rug pulled!

Some of those are just selling players as all clubs have to. Not every sale is that deep, we really need to get used to the fact that we have to sell players to survive financially.

The most ridiculous one was Deane/Fjortoft on the same day.

 

[jt64]

Did you hear wilders interview yesterday?

To paraphrase he said - "if hamer didn't want to hold contract talks... it was the same with Andre Brooks"

What Are we meant to do if players won't renew contracts? Better to get rid, surely?

Maybe have a structure that pays players what they are worth. People won't leave if they are properly compensated. Pay peanuts, get monkeys, everyone else will rightly tell the club where to go

 

[Karaoke Blade]

Deane/Fjortoft on the same day
Kevin McDonald
James Beattie
Jaden Bogle
Curtis Woodhouse

To a lesser degree Marcelo, Nick Blackman, even Jordan Slew...

I agree btw, just seeing how many more times I can remember having the rug pulled!

Agree up to a point, but we got £1 million and Peter Ndlovu from Birmingham for Curtis Woodhouse. Best bit of business we ever did!

 

[Nick Jansky]

Some of those are just selling players as all clubs have to. Not every sale is that deep, we really need to get used to the fact that we have to sell players to survive financially.

The most ridiculous one was Deane/Fjortoft on the same day.

It all started with the sales of Birchenall and Jones.

 

[BessemerBob]

I thought Andre Brooks looked closer to being the player I hoped he might be when he made his debut. Great understanding with Femi Seriki down the right too. So what do we do, sell him to fucking Norwich for £8m

Meanwhile we still have our £10m striker Tom Cannon and our collection of Dads Army stalwarts in Rothwell, Bamford and the latest one to the collection, Matt Doherty.

It screams out that we are a club going down the shitter, with an unimaginative manager in the transfer market and no real strategy going forward.

I’ll always be grateful to Wilder for the good times but times moves on, but sadly he hasn’t moved on with it

First time posting on here BTW, please be kind

Bessemer Bob

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I thought Andre Brooks looked closer to being the player I hoped he might be when he made his debut. Great understanding with Femi Seriki down the right too. So what do we do, sell him to fucking Norwich for £8m

Meanwhile we still have our £10m striker Tom Cannon and our collection of Dads Army stalwarts in Rothwell, Bamford and the latest one to the collection, Matt Doherty.

It screams out that we are a club going down the shitter, with an unimaginative manager in the transfer market and no real strategy going forward.

I’ll always be grateful to Wilder for the good times but times moves on, but sadly he hasn’t moved on with it

First time posting on here BTW, please be kind

Bessemer Bob

I’m not sure how any of this lands at Wilder’s door. He’s arguably the safest pair of hands we could have during a financially messy transition. Any squad needs a blend of youth and experience, and Rothwell and Bamford are perfectly reasonable additions especially on frees.

It’s obvious the owners need to raise money just to keep the lights on. That’s the reality. Hamer who you’ve not mentioned - was in the final year of his deal and wanted out. From what Wilder’s said, Brooks also pushed for a move.

Wilder isn’t sat there saying, ‘Sell everyone, bring nobody in, and I’ll somehow make it work.’ He’s saying, ‘If you have to sell our best players, fine but you need to give me some proper replacements’ That’s a completely fair stance.