All of this Clough out bollocks

[sitwell]

Bassett went out and bought about ten new players in the close season of the relegation from division two and had them up and running, dominating the league on day one. Then he kept the spine of the team all the way through divison two and into the premier league. There's no comparison to be made with him in terms of having to be patient. Bristol City have just done what Bassett did. To compare what Clough is doing to what Bassett achieved in division three just isn't justifiable.

Warnock, granted, was a model of how to build a good team over a long period.

It really isn't a settled issue about whether Clough is building anything at all. We have a massive squad but appear to have gone backwards in many ways.

If your going to compare ,Basset got relegated , Clough didn't ,Clough is therefore ahead of basset at the moment and if we go up in the play offs he will be miles ahead.

 

[metalblade]

Many of my family are Derby fans, they say that mclaren has to be the luckiest manager in football. When Clough was sacked Derby were playing fairly well and had it not been forest who beat them he would have stayed. I honestly could scream at all these people who feel that 1 and a half seasons is plenty of "time" to build a team, this has been an incredibly frustrating season I know but after the last decade of changing manager and it always going from bad to worse I for one would like to see a manager given real time to build something

Tell it to Steve Cotterill

 

[S6Blade]

Unitedite's impatient? LAAAWWWLL.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

If your going to compare ,Basset got relegated , Clough didn't ,Clough is therefore ahead of basset at the moment and if we go up in the play offs he will be miles ahead.

Yeah, but the team under Bassett got relegated into the division we are in now, and got promotion at the first time of asking.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

The problem is Boss that we have a number of spoilt impatient fans who want success now or they will jump up and down like children. Clough is building and is only 18 months into a 3 year plan ,which everyone agreed was the best idea no matter what. Everytime we lose or even draw a game the same old faces come out with Clough out ,we are a joke ,get somebody else in who has won a couple of games in a row ,it is pathetic. They all disappeared up their arse for a week when we beat Donny and Barnsley ,but unfortunately whoever is in charge they will pipe up about sacking the manager everytime things don't suit them. Its not just us its most other clubs too ,even some Arsenal fans want Wenger out ffs. It is a sign of the times with forums and phone ins ,a little power goes a long way and the ones who want change wont let it go , just bleat on and on so it appears they are in the majority Look at the post above ,he wants a manager who has taken over a winning established team from a good manager and had just over half a season plus a season in the Belgian second division where he lost as many as he won. He drew at home to Carlisle last night surely a sacking offence at the Lane ?
It really is a joke ,why not get behind the manager and the team as we go into the play offs although apparently some don't even want us to go up. I honestly do wish 'fans' like that would go elsewhere.

What was the stated aim of this "three year plan"? I'm not sure what the position is considering it was the supposed aim of the club to achieve automatic promotion this year? The trouble with United is they come out with all these plans "Europe in 5 years" etc yet the reality is invariably a bit shit.

 

[alcoblade]

So he ain't signed all these dwarfs?
He ain't playing em outta position?
He ain't stubborn as a mule?
He ain't been the best backed manager since Robson?
Yea it ain't his fault at all is it

That surely wasn't the point though. The point wasn't "hasn't Clough done a great / shit job", more " should we be questioning the club / management right now".


Whist I think some debate is inevitable, and I agree with your points, we must make sure that we back the club when it really counts (now) rather than drown in a sea of negativity.

UTB

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

The other post says 50 years ,so are we only prepared to give clough 3% of that time ? in which he has taken a losing team destined for disaster to top half of the table and 2 semi finals whilst culling ,replacing and rebuilding the club ? This has been our problem Basset and Warnock were allowed patience and time to build the team they wanted and we blossomed ,Clough should be given the same. As for Derby ,much of his time there was a firefight after players were sold off time and again ,it is unfair to compare.

We can only compare on what we know. At Derby, whilst he has done fairly well considering the lack of money, he has had plenty of money here and whilst I agree he has a re-building job, including bringing on youngsters, to do, I can only judge on the evidence of my eyes.

I desperately want the man to succeed but I'd kinda like it to happen sometime soon as I'm 65 in June

 

[Lane Ender]

The other post says 50 years ,so are we only prepared to give clough 3% of that time ? in which he has taken a losing team destined for disaster to top half of the table and 2 semi finals whilst culling ,replacing and rebuilding the club ? This has been our problem Basset and Warnock were allowed patience and time to build the team they wanted and we blossomed ,Clough should be given the same. As for Derby ,much of his time there was a firefight after players were sold off time and again ,it is unfair to compare.

Clough isnt in the the same class as Bassett and Warnock

Rebuilding youre having a bubble

 

[sitwell]

Clough isnt in the the same class as Bassett and Warnock

Rebuilding youre having a bubble

Well thought out addition to a discussion. And you wonder why people get pissed off with the slaggers. Well done

 

[Fulwood Blade]

You know that when he is sacked and we get a new manager certain posters on here will crawl from under their stones and state our much improved style, form and results were all due to the foundations Clough put in place, much in the same way they explain Derby County's upturn in fortunes with McClaren.
Load of bollocks he had five seasons at Derby and only managed to get them in the top ten of the championship once, Clough is average at best if he is still with us next season it will be a disaster for the club. Lets hope we have a new young dynamic manager in place well before next season, the thought of us with Clough still scratching about in league one and the pigs going for a play off spot to the Premiership next season are truly frightening.

Sorry, but Wier was a new, young, dynamic manager, who had an excellent teacher in David Moyes...............and where did that get us?

UTB

 

[sitwell]

We can only compare on what we know. At Derby, whilst he has done fairly well considering the lack of money, he has had plenty of money here and whilst I agree he has a re-building job, including bringing on youngsters, to do, I can only judge on the evidence of my eyes.

I desperately want the man to succeed but I'd kinda like it to happen sometime soon as I'm 65 in June

His introduction and inclusion of youngsters is very good especially in comparison to most other managers. the development of Reed ,Kennedy ,Mcnulty Adams etc will be seen more next season with a year under his belt. As for the spine of the team , I imagine he envisaged Howard-Maguire-Wallace-Ogrady but due to circumstance he was denied 3 of these ,we have the players to build round this ,and I think it will be his priority in the summer no matter what league we are in.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

His introduction and inclusion of youngsters is very good especially in comparison to most other managers. the development of Reed ,Kennedy ,Mcnulty Adams etc will be seen more next season with a year under his belt. As for the spine of the team , I imagine he envisaged Howard-Maguire-Wallace-Ogrady but due to circumstance he was denied 3 of these ,we have the players to build round this ,and I think it will be his priority in the summer no matter what league we are in.

Has to be mate

 

[sheffielder]

His introduction and inclusion of youngsters is very good especially in comparison to most other managers. the development of Reed ,Kennedy ,Mcnulty Adams etc will be seen more next season with a year under his belt. As for the spine of the team , I imagine he envisaged Howard-Maguire-Wallace-Ogrady but due to circumstance he was denied 3 of these ,we have the players to build round this ,and I think it will be his priority in the summer no matter what league we are in.

The loss of Wallace cannot be understated for this season. If Basham was at the back and Wallace been fit all season, I firmly believe we would be up there with Bristol City. That being said, we knew he would have injury worries and should have signed Coady as well.

 

[Lane Ender]

Well thought out addition to a discussion. And you wonder why people get pissed off with the slaggers. Well done

Just stating fact.
Could be a lot harsher but it wouldn't benefit.
You are one of the posters on here if somebody dos'nt agree with what you have to say you get all smug.
I don't like Cloughs management you do that's how it is.

 

[grafikhaus]

Some good stuff here.

As ever, there seems to be some confusion. If people express genuine disappointment (or even alarm) at how things have gone this season, it doesn't necessarily equate that they are saying 'Clough out.'

Personally, I'm very worried about the mounting list of charges against NC but acknowledge that getting rid now is not an option. However, the people who say 'give him till Christmas' well, I simply can't see what dramatic improvements we can expect to see after 4 months of a new season?

 

[JJBlade]

I'd like to know what we are entitled to expect.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Some good stuff here.

As ever, there seems to be some confusion. If people express genuine disappointment (or even alarm) at how things have gone this season, it doesn't necessarily equate that they are saying 'Clough out.'

Personally, I'm very worried about the mounting list of charges against NC but acknowledge that getting rid now is not an option. However, the people who say 'give him till Christmas' well, I simply can't see what dramatic improvements we can expect to see after 4 months of a new season?

Until Christmas allows for a pre-season of training and maybe transfer activity for NC and if isn't working, any new manager has a whole transfer window to go at.

I hope Cloughie deserves to be here at Christmas 2016

 

[sitwell]

Just stating fact.
Could be a lot harsher but it wouldn't benefit.
You are one of the posters on here if somebody dos'nt agree with what you have to say you get all smug.
I don't like Cloughs management you do that's how it is.

Smug about what ?
I disagree with virtually everything you say because it is always negative abuse of the club I love. You and a small group of others on here do nothing but find negatives with everything Sheffield United ,I really don't know why you bother ,go and do something that makes you happy. Actually you probably have.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Some good stuff here.

As ever, there seems to be some confusion. If people express genuine disappointment (or even alarm) at how things have gone this season, it doesn't necessarily equate that they are saying 'Clough out.'

Personally, I'm very worried about the mounting list of charges against NC but acknowledge that getting rid now is not an option. However, the people who say 'give him till Christmas' well, I simply can't see what dramatic improvements we can expect to see after 4 months of a new season?

I beg to differ.

2 x centre halves and a "fit" wallace in the centre would make a mega amount of difference. (not far removed from what sitters says above)

We haven't been stuffed this season - we have just been sloppy, inconsistent and square pegs/round holes etc due to a number of issues/reasons.

We have the elements of a good team round the fringes - we just need a spine.

UTB

 

[Lane Ender]

Smug about what ?
I disagree with virtually everything you say because it is always negative abuse of the club I love. You and a small group of others on here do nothing but find negatives with everything Sheffield United ,I really don't know why you bother ,go and do something that makes you happy. Actually you probably have.

There you go again with your little innuendos you love puffing your shoulders out and having a pop.
You know nothing about me but I'll tell you I like many have followed this club for years haven't missed an home game this year and a few away so don't give that bollocks about loving my club it sounds a bit nauseating.
I have got other interests but up near the top is meeting my blade mates having a drink going to the match.
I'm not in any Clough out brigade if anything I've laid off him lately given him a chance.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Until Christmas allows for a pre-season of training and maybe transfer activity for NC and if isn't working, any new manager has a whole transfer window to go at.

I hope Cloughie deserves to be here at Christmas 2016

Roll on 2019, then you'll look back at 2015 with a wry smile.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Roll on 2019, then you'll look back at 2015 with a wry smile.

I look back at every year past with a wry smile

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I beg to differ.

2 x centre halves and a "fit" wallace in the centre would make a mega amount of difference. (not far removed from what sitters says above)

We haven't been stuffed this season - we have just been sloppy, inconsistent and square pegs/round holes etc due to a number of issues/reasons.

We have the elements of a good team round the fringes - we just need a spine.

UTB

Fulwood , agree . Nobody has turned us over and in many cases we have beaten ourselves , by helping and gifting the opposition . Although i have been frustrated as everyone else , we have got to stick with Clough . The spine and most of all 2no CB are required , which he will resolve.

Wallace would have been the man , and was worth taking a risk on , but unfortunately , it has not worked out this season.

Getting rid of Clough will send us backwards , not forwards , and i am glad that McCabe and the board , for once , are holding there nerve , and deserve some credit for this.

UTB

 

[Maidenhead]

I look back at every year past with a wry smile

I don't look back because that's how you fall over things.

You can't change the past and it has little influence on the future.

I just say look forwards and be happy

 

[Benny and the Blades]

I suppose the acid test is do you believe we have a stronger team now than we did this time last season ?
The thing that gets me is we seem to have a spineless team and I don't mean that negatively, I mean for me you build your team round a strong spine and this is something in my opinion today's team lacks.
Center-forward, center-half, and goalkeeper. are positions that seem to have been deliberately ignored despite all the warning signs . Maybe the plan is to bring in these players when we reach the Championship, where we would have a wider choice I don't know, but I do know that by ignoring this problem he has made the chances of success that much harder...
,

 

[metalblade]

Sorry, but Wier was a new, young, dynamic manager, who had an excellent teacher in David Moyes...............and where did that get us?

UTB

How the feck can you say that ? Weir had never managed anything until he came to us and he was far from dynamic, in fact he was a Clough without the experience.

 

[blade.i.am]

Our only problem is inconsistency, you can't build consistency however long you give it. We can beat Southampton and West Ham and lose to Crewe and Yeovil. Consistency is about putting out a team that knows individually and collectively what their role is and that has the backing of the manager to have a go at the opposition. I see few signs of this happening and it's unlikely to change however long you give Clough.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

How the feck can you say that ? Weir had never managed anything until he came to us and he was far from dynamic, in fact he was a Clough without the experience.

You said in your original post , and I quote "Lets hope we have a new young dynamic manager in place well before next season"

My point was and I probably didn't make myself clear was - YOU want a young dynamic manager - well Wier was apparently just that and look where it got us - no where. Wiers crednetials considering his coaching upbringing by Moyes was as good as it comes.

At the end of this season, there will be, a number of dynamic young managers, that is agreed - which one are you going to pick? It could be the one that fails, and the next young manager after that may fail, and the one after that - 3 failures could equal 6 years. If "trying" young and dynamic end up being shit managers just like Weir we will continue to waste even more time.

If Clough goes, a board that has apparently invested (some say wasted) a vast amount of money would not pick a young manager - they would go for experience - just like Clough. Accepted that Cloughs experience may be the wrong sort of experience, but gifting pots more cash to an unknown entity - it won't happen so close after Weir.

UTB

 

[metalblade]

You said in your original post , and I quote "Lets hope we have a new young dynamic manager in place well before next season"

My point was and I probably didn't make myself clear was - YOU want a young dynamic manager - well Wier was apparently just that and look where it got us - no where. Wiers crednetials considering his coaching upbringing by Moyes was as good as it comes.

At the end of this season, there will be, a number of dynamic young managers, that is agreed - which one are you going to pick? It could be the one that fails, and the next young manager after that may fail, and the one after that - 3 failures could equal 6 years. If "trying" young and dynamic end up being shit managers just like Weir we will continue to waste even more time.

If Clough goes, a board that has apparently invested (some say wasted) a vast amount of money would not pick a young manager - they would go for experience - just like Clough. Accepted that Cloughs experience may be the wrong sort of experience, but gifting pots more cash to an unknown entity - it won't happen so close after Weir.

UTB

I was thinking more someone like Eddie Howe or even the guy at MKD, I just find Clough's style dull, slow, sideways and boring in fact very much like Weir. He even pulls everyone back to defend a corner like Weir yet we still give teams free headers.

 

[Going up]

If he leaves
When he is sacked
Who shall we have next.

Now is not the time boys & girls.

Yes the season has been a frustration.
Yes we should be putting teams like Yeovil to the Sword.
Yes we should be at least challenging for a top 2 spot.

BUT, and like the wife's its a big but, WE HAVE NO DIVINE RIGHT TO EXPECT OUR CLUB TO BE PROMOTED BY CHRISTMAS JUST COS WE ARE SUFC !

Let us not forget that NC inherited a club and a squad that was frankly on its arse due to years of mismanagement. That kind of tidy up job was never gonna happen overnight.

Factor in the utterly dominant campaign that Bristol City have had, and that they will be worthy champions, we were effectively fighting for one Auto spot. A tall order.

Have faith. Assuming we do get over the line to make the play offs, lets just wait and see if we can go on to that elusive Wembley win. I think / pray this might just be our year !!

It really is time to get behind the management and the players in this final push. Any negativity will NOT help. Being positive and supportive will. I know its not always easy.

If it doesn't happen, feel free to have a moan.

But cut it the fuck out for the time being eh.. !!!!!

UTB

Absolutely!