Incoming? Alexander Blessin

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From a position of I'm in this for the fun. I quite like the sound of Blessin as our manager. No point going down some shit identikit route. Jump off the edge. Go on their end, pull your hood up, see what happens. Never been too fussed about league points & position. I want us to be a club, not just a league position. Sounds great. See how it maps out. If we're going to change as a club, no joy in small adjustments on the tiller, swing wildly. Anyway.....
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
From a position of I'm in this for the fun. I quite like the sound of Blessin as our manager. No point going down some shit identikit route. Jump off the edge. Go on their end, pull your hood up, see what happens. Never been too fussed about league points & position. I want us to be a club, not just a league position. Sounds great. See how it maps out. If we're going to change as a club, no joy in small adjustments on the tiller, swing wildly. Anyway.....
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Love a bit of Germany, love German football, enormous gamble but why not.

Just want an appointment quickly as the current aimless drift through purgatory is soul destroying.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Thanks. Great insight. (Correction - I never sat on panels, if the admin people running the panels felt they needed my specific eye on the submitted evidence, then I'd review it well ahead of the panel sitting, indeed they mostly hoped my view would blow the evidence & the sitting panel wouldn't be necessary)
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In a very similar fashion to the clerks to the US Supreme Court judges. Why am I not surprised ;)
 
I think the thing about the exception panel was it was set up for the transfer window, that is to deal with player transfers. Hence why it was discontinued at end of January ahead of a review in time for the summer transfer window when the panel may be available again. Summer transfer window for efl clubs not in play offs opens 9th May (if you are not embargoed 😂).
 
MobileBlade said:
I think the thing about the exception panel was it was set up for the transfer window, that is to deal with player transfers. Hence why it was discontinued at end of January ahead of a review in time for the summer transfer window when the panel may be available again. Summer transfer window for efl clubs not in play offs opens 9th May (if you are not embargoed 😂).
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I think that's a fair assessment. I was gobsmacked with the throw away line in the regs saying no panel. As I keep saying it might not be an insurmountable hurdle, but it's one we'd need to negotiate.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
The country narrowly voted and on that basis there is much more scrutiny on work permits. With a whole host of new rule based systems in place in a short period of time. As a Unitedite I would be appalled if Derby County (say) or any rival club appointed a manager when the laws of the land don't allow it just because of reasons....
The published regulations, which everyone can see, make no distinction between managers for the PL & those for the EFL. The FA look after the English game, not the Premier League.
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Is there something in the rules that says a professional football manager in a European league with experience at other management levels in professional football, can't be appointed a manager in England?
Politically I can't see the impetus from anywhere to stop professional football managers being appointed in England, particularly given football in this country is about the most global brand this country has.
 
Pedro's Winger said:
Is there something in the rules that says a professional football manager in a European league with experience at other management levels in professional football, can't be appointed a manager in England?
Politically I can't see the impetus from anywhere to stop professional football managers being appointed in England, particularly given football in this country is about the most global brand this country has.
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I think Phil may have gone to the Shed
 
Pedro's Winger said:
Is there something in the rules that says a professional football manager in a European league with experience at other management levels in professional football, can't be appointed a manager in England?
Politically I can't see the impetus from anywhere to stop professional football managers being appointed in England, particularly given football in this country is about the most global brand this country has.
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Not sure where you're coming from. But. Someone who has managed the first team in a top league for 24 months automatically qualifies for a Governing Body Endorsement from the FA. Anyone else would need to submit evidence to an Exceptions Panel. Those Panels are new from 1 January 2021, and until someone gets a chance to go to one as a Guinea pig, we won't know their decision. That's the barrier. Does that help?
 
I mean. Let's have this right. The FA have literally written down the rules. Crucially the requirement for being a First Team Manager for 24 Months. And agreed those rules with a Government who have been struggling to "get Brexit done" for years.
When you go into an Exception Panel and say they should count Blessin's time coaching kids. You are telling the FA & the Government the rules they've worked hard on are wrong, indeed a pile of shit, and you know better, because the best managers are not necessarily those who have a year or twos management experience, and maybe the FA & the Government should go away and think again.
I mean knock yourself out because reasons....
But, don't misunderstand the barrier you face.
 
I guess we might as well have a look at how the Exceptions Panel operates under the written rules;

23. The Exceptions Panel shall only recommend to The FA that a GBE be granted if it is satisfied that the Manager is of the highest calibre and is able to contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in England. In doing so, the Exceptions Panel will have regard to the following (and any other matters that the Exceptions Panel determine to be relevant in its absolute discretion):
a) where the Manager was not previously a first team manager or head coach or an assistant first team manager or head coach, the position held by the Manager;
b) the league or leagues in which the Manager has Managed during the Reference Period;
c) the participation of the club(s) Managed by the Manager during the Reference Period in competitive continental or world competition during the Manager’s tenure;
d) the Aggregated FIFA World Ranking of any international team or teams that the Manager has Managed during the Reference Period;
e) the participation of the international team(s) Managed by the Manager/Assistant Manager in competitive continental and world competition during the Manager’s tenure; and
f) the reasons why the automatic criteria (as set out at paragraph 16) have not been met.

We can rule out any evidence under c d e. Blessin has not managed Oostende in a UEFA competition. Nor has he managed an International Team. In b, he's managing in Band 2, not the Top band. So, we're chucking a lot in a. on his Youth Coaching.

Of those five written criteria the panel will consider, he's got nowt on three, and he's second division on another.

So. He doesn't have the 24 Months First Team management that they're looking for. And he's got no evidence to offer on three of the other five things that'll help. And he's not managed at the very top club level. But. You know. Yooooouuuuth.

Maybe they'll grant a GBE, but it's not compelling is it?
 
Is there any solid evidence from the club that we will struggle re work permit? because if theres not, not sure why we are worrying about it, im sure they can wangle it with a bit of cashy cashy under the table?
 

bongleblade said:
Is there any solid evidence from the club that we will struggle re work permit? because if theres not, not sure why we are worrying about it, im sure they can wangle it with a bit of cashy cashy under the table?
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Don’t imagine the club will be making any statement about anyone until they’re employed by the club to do otherwise would be monumentally unprofessional and very taboo in footballing terms.
 
Yogi said:
Don’t imagine the club will be making any statement about anyone until they’re employed by the club to do otherwise would be monumentally unprofessional and very taboo in footballing terms.
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hmm yeah, just wondering how everyone has come to the conclusion that we will struggle, surely the club seek legal advice about the likelihood re work permits before they start looking at management appts? or is my view of the club way too optimistic?
 
bongleblade said:
hmm yeah, just wondering how everyone has come to the conclusion that we will struggle, surely the club seek legal advice about the likelihood re work permits before they start looking at management appts? or is my view of the club way too optimistic?
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There seems to be a few posters on this thread who are very well informed about the regs and have tried to explain them for everyone’s benefit and they appear to suggest there might be an issue. Of course the club could be confident they have a work around but without being in the discussion we’ll only know for sure when he either is or isn’t appointed.
 
Yogi said:
There seems to be a few posters on this thread who are very well informed about the regs and have tried to explain them for everyone’s benefit and they appear to suggest there might be an issue. Of course the club could be confident they have a work around but without being in the discussion we’ll only know for sure when he either is or isn’t appointed.
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Yeah appreciate that, they’ve helped with understanding the barriers for sure. time will tell... i have a sneaky suspicion that none of this will matter in the end, as the Blessin talk might be leverage for getting a deal with Jokanovic (no1 target?).. i hope i am wrong, seems Blessin is the best option long-term
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I guess we might as well have a look at how the Exceptions Panel operates under the written rules;

23. The Exceptions Panel shall only recommend to The FA that a GBE be granted if it is satisfied that the Manager is of the highest calibre and is able to contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in England. In doing so, the Exceptions Panel will have regard to the following (and any other matters that the Exceptions Panel determine to be relevant in its absolute discretion):
a) where the Manager was not previously a first team manager or head coach or an assistant first team manager or head coach, the position held by the Manager;
b) the league or leagues in which the Manager has Managed during the Reference Period;
c) the participation of the club(s) Managed by the Manager during the Reference Period in competitive continental or world competition during the Manager’s tenure;
d) the Aggregated FIFA World Ranking of any international team or teams that the Manager has Managed during the Reference Period;
e) the participation of the international team(s) Managed by the Manager/Assistant Manager in competitive continental and world competition during the Manager’s tenure; and
f) the reasons why the automatic criteria (as set out at paragraph 16) have not been met.

We can rule out any evidence under c d e. Blessin has not managed Oostende in a UEFA competition. Nor has he managed an International Team. In b, he's managing in Band 2, not the Top band. So, we're chucking a lot in a. on his Youth Coaching.

Of those five written criteria the panel will consider, he's got nowt on three, and he's second division on another.

So. He doesn't have the 24 Months First Team management that they're looking for. And he's got no evidence to offer on three of the other five things that'll help. And he's not managed at the very top club level. But. You know. Yooooouuuuth.

Maybe they'll grant a GBE, but it's not compelling is it?
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Hi Phil, you seem desperate for this to be a huge problem. I'm not sure it is. I would suggest that he (Blessin) is of the 'highest calibre' - Leipzig pedigree - been honed at one of the biggest and most prestigious chains of clubs in Europe, sought out by a Premier League club, obviously done a superb job at Ostende. It has attracted media attention from around the globe.
Contribute significantly to the development of the game in England - would be managing the 15th biggest club in England (or something), in charge of one of the best academies in the country (in terms of England players produced). Currently a premier side - obvs going to be relegated but with potential to bounce back. Obviously has some interesting and innovative tactical ideas. Will be managing at least 2 players in the England pathway (Rammers and Brewster, maybe more from the younger age groups). They (and hopefully Blessin and Sheff Utd) will have a huge impact on the game at the top level. We virtually invented football in sheffield remember - so we are a big deal historically and with heritage albeit we arent a Top 6.
On the criteria:
a). Has many many years of coaching at Leipzig, many more than clowns like John Terry, Fat Frank, Rooney etc. Probably more qualified than any of them with badges etc
b). Ok - Belgian League. I think they might need to look at this. I wouldn't neccesarily judge it to be so crap as they have currently. If its so bad how come they have the best national side in the world, have produced some brilliant players and why do they get so many UEFA places. Worth questionning this judgement (of assigning it Tier 2) I would say. A decent barrister would drive a coach and horses through this bit.
c). Again you could argue that Osstende are going to qualify for UEFA competition probably in the top 4, so possibly CL?. Blessin has managed them to this.
d)-e). Ok, that is a given but who is to say that Blessin hasnt had some involvement with say German age group sides. Worth discussing and ruminating on if he has that experience
f). Because he is young and has worked his way up, so these rules are working against the 'Apprenticeship' model and instead favouring old has beens. Is that what they want - I would suggest managers go stale far quicker than other professions so these GBE guidance are going to point towards older, staler managers ?
My general approach would be to present as coherent an argument and be as persuasive as possible in the first instance so we get the nod immediately and PLAY BY THE RULES.
But I would also reference (THE IRON FIST IN THE SILK GLOVE) in a gentle but slightly threatening way so they know the consequences:
  • this is only GUIDANCE - one can make the case that it should be to guide - not direct
  • The guidance has not been adequately consulted on, was rushed and would almost certainly rule out many of the so called biggest managers in England Solskaer, Bielsa, Arteta. So its obviously a bit bollox and not good enough to stand scrutiny. Whate evidence do they have that it will actually drive up the standard of recruited managers? NONE - they will just be more experienced
  • It (the criteria) is so flawed it probably won't stand scrutiny by any reasonable person (or high powered sports barristers)
  • There are probably very few (if any) managers across the globe who would receive a GBE, have they even considered this
  • It would be embarrasing for the FA to judge against one of its own teams
  • Sheff Utd can and have overturrned FA judgement/other bollox at CAS in the past and made them look stupid, be quite easy for us to do this again
  • Panels members may well end up looking personally stupid and have reputational damage if they refuse it
  • The guidance is likely to change soon so how much weight should the current version have?
  • Maybe highlight how few people would actually qualify for a GBE given the quick tenure of football managers spells at clubs, long spells unemployed etc
  • They obviously drafted this in haste and have made it far too restrictive, worth comparing to other trades like some of those as exemplified on here ie DJ/Nurse etc have far less stringent requirements even though they are for 'lesser paid' roles. Therefore it is not logical and doesnt stand scrutiny.
And this is all the above board stuff before the behind the scenes lobbying of Sir Tricky Trev and Dodgy Dave Richards and co.
And of course the well paid consultancy that might come up in a few years time at SUFC for panel members to advise us on 'stuff'.
So lets not chuck in the towel just yet eh?
 
bongleblade said:
Yeah appreciate that, they’ve helped with understanding the barriers for sure. time will tell... i have a sneaky suspicion that none of this will matter in the end, as the Blessin talk might be leverage for getting a deal with Jokanovic (no1 target?).. i hope i am wrong, seems Blessin is the best option long-term
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I’ve not seen any credible reports linking us to jokanovic other than local press repeating rumours. I think his camp talking about figures and interest make it less likely we’ve made an approach as that’s normally not talked about by managers it smacks me as being very much like when a players agent is trying to drum up interest.
 
Rudders said:
Hi Phil, you seem desperate for this to be a huge problem. I'm not sure it is. I would suggest that he (Blessin) is of the 'highest calibre' - Leipzig pedigree - been honed at one of the biggest and most prestigious chains of clubs in Europe, sought out by a Premier League club, obviously done a superb job at Ostende. It has attracted media attention from around the globe.
Contribute significantly to the development of the game in England - would be managing the 15th biggest club in England (or something), in charge of one of the best academies in the country (in terms of England players produced). Currently a premier side - obvs going to be relegated but with potential to bounce back. Obviously has some interesting and innovative tactical ideas. Will be managing at least 2 players in the England pathway (Rammers and Brewster, maybe more from the younger age groups). They (and hopefully Blessin and Sheff Utd) will have a huge impact on the game at the top level. We virtually invented football in sheffield remember - so we are a big deal historically and with heritage albeit we arent a Top 6.
On the criteria:
a). Has many many years of coaching at Leipzig, many more than clowns like John Terry, Fat Frank, Rooney etc. Probably more qualified than any of them with badges etc
b). Ok - Belgian League. I think they might need to look at this. I wouldn't neccesarily judge it to be so crap as they have currently. If its so bad how come they have the best national side in the world, have produced some brilliant players and why do they get so many UEFA places. Worth questionning this judgement (of assigning it Tier 2) I would say. A decent barrister would drive a coach and horses through this bit.
c). Again you could argue that Osstende are going to qualify for UEFA competition probably in the top 4, so possibly CL?. Blessin has managed them to this.
d)-e). Ok, that is a given but who is to say that Blessin hasnt had some involvement with say German age group sides. Worth discussing and ruminating on if he has that experience
f). Because he is young and has worked his way up, so these rules are working against the 'Apprenticeship' model and instead favouring old has beens. Is that what they want - I would suggest managers go stale far quicker than other professions so these GBE guidance are going to point towards older, staler managers ?
My general approach would be to present as coherent an argument and be as persuasive as possible in the first instance so we get the nod immediately and PLAY BY THE RULES.
But I would also reference (THE IRON FIST IN THE SILK GLOVE) in a gentle but slightly threatening way so they know the consequences:
  • this is only GUIDANCE - one can make the case that it should be to guide - not direct
  • The guidance has not been adequately consulted on, was rushed and would almost certainly rule out many of the so called biggest managers in England Solskaer, Bielsa, Arteta. So its obviously a bit bollox and not good enough to stand scrutiny. Whate evidence do they have that it will actually drive up the standard of recruited managers? NONE - they will just be more experienced
  • It (the criteria) is so flawed it probably won't stand scrutiny by any reasonable person (or high powered sports barristers)
  • There are probably very few (if any) managers across the globe who would receive a GBE, have they even considered this
  • It would be embarrasing for the FA to judge against one of its own teams
  • Sheff Utd can and have overturrned FA judgement/other bollox at CAS in the past and made them look stupid, be quite easy for us to do this again
  • Panels members may well end up looking personally stupid and have reputational damage if they refuse it
  • The guidance is likely to change soon so how much weight should the current version have?
  • Maybe highlight how few people would actually qualify for a GBE given the quick tenure of football managers spells at clubs, long spells unemployed etc
  • They obviously drafted this in haste and have made it far too restrictive, worth comparing to other trades like some of those as exemplified on here ie DJ/Nurse etc have far less stringent requirements even though they are for 'lesser paid' roles. Therefore it is not logical and doesnt stand scrutiny.
And this is all the above board stuff before the behind the scenes lobbying of Sir Tricky Trev and Dodgy Dave Richards and co.
And of course the well paid consultancy that might come up in a few years time at SUFC for panel members to advise us on 'stuff'.
So lets not chuck in the towel just yet eh?
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Wow come out all guns firing much... I dont think Ball_Sup (Phil) cares whether it ends up being a big issue or not. He is simply helping readers on here understand the regs.

Your above points may or may not be valid, but as Ball_Sup (Phil) said, at end of the day your going to have to stand in front of the panel and argue that the FA's rules as they currently stand are wrong...

Lemme know if you need a Prozac bud, your blood pressure seems a bit high!
 
Rudders said:
Hi Phil, you seem desperate for this to be a huge problem. I'm not sure it is. I would suggest that he (Blessin) is of the 'highest calibre' - Leipzig pedigree - been honed at one of the biggest and most prestigious chains of clubs in Europe, sought out by a Premier League club, obviously done a superb job at Ostende. It has attracted media attention from around the globe.
Contribute significantly to the development of the game in England - would be managing the 15th biggest club in England (or something), in charge of one of the best academies in the country (in terms of England players produced). Currently a premier side - obvs going to be relegated but with potential to bounce back. Obviously has some interesting and innovative tactical ideas. Will be managing at least 2 players in the England pathway (Rammers and Brewster, maybe more from the younger age groups). They (and hopefully Blessin and Sheff Utd) will have a huge impact on the game at the top level. We virtually invented football in sheffield remember - so we are a big deal historically and with heritage albeit we arent a Top 6.
On the criteria:
a). Has many many years of coaching at Leipzig, many more than clowns like John Terry, Fat Frank, Rooney etc. Probably more qualified than any of them with badges etc
b). Ok - Belgian League. I think they might need to look at this. I wouldn't neccesarily judge it to be so crap as they have currently. If its so bad how come they have the best national side in the world, have produced some brilliant players and why do they get so many UEFA places. Worth questionning this judgement (of assigning it Tier 2) I would say. A decent barrister would drive a coach and horses through this bit.
c). Again you could argue that Osstende are going to qualify for UEFA competition probably in the top 4, so possibly CL?. Blessin has managed them to this.
d)-e). Ok, that is a given but who is to say that Blessin hasnt had some involvement with say German age group sides. Worth discussing and ruminating on if he has that experience
f). Because he is young and has worked his way up, so these rules are working against the 'Apprenticeship' model and instead favouring old has beens. Is that what they want - I would suggest managers go stale far quicker than other professions so these GBE guidance are going to point towards older, staler managers ?
My general approach would be to present as coherent an argument and be as persuasive as possible in the first instance so we get the nod immediately and PLAY BY THE RULES.
But I would also reference (THE IRON FIST IN THE SILK GLOVE) in a gentle but slightly threatening way so they know the consequences:
  • this is only GUIDANCE - one can make the case that it should be to guide - not direct
  • The guidance has not been adequately consulted on, was rushed and would almost certainly rule out many of the so called biggest managers in England Solskaer, Bielsa, Arteta. So its obviously a bit bollox and not good enough to stand scrutiny. Whate evidence do they have that it will actually drive up the standard of recruited managers? NONE - they will just be more experienced
  • It (the criteria) is so flawed it probably won't stand scrutiny by any reasonable person (or high powered sports barristers)
  • There are probably very few (if any) managers across the globe who would receive a GBE, have they even considered this
  • It would be embarrasing for the FA to judge against one of its own teams
  • Sheff Utd can and have overturrned FA judgement/other bollox at CAS in the past and made them look stupid, be quite easy for us to do this again
  • Panels members may well end up looking personally stupid and have reputational damage if they refuse it
  • The guidance is likely to change soon so how much weight should the current version have?
  • Maybe highlight how few people would actually qualify for a GBE given the quick tenure of football managers spells at clubs, long spells unemployed etc
  • They obviously drafted this in haste and have made it far too restrictive, worth comparing to other trades like some of those as exemplified on here ie DJ/Nurse etc have far less stringent requirements even though they are for 'lesser paid' roles. Therefore it is not logical and doesnt stand scrutiny.
And this is all the above board stuff before the behind the scenes lobbying of Sir Tricky Trev and Dodgy Dave Richards and co.
And of course the well paid consultancy that might come up in a few years time at SUFC for panel members to advise us on 'stuff'.
So lets not chuck in the towel just yet eh?
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When is the Ball_Sup (Phil) panel sitting and formulating a response? 😉😂
 
Given that footballers and staff have been flying about the World pretty much doing as they did before, for the last year, I can’t see a work permit being an issue.
 
Rudders said:
Hi Phil, you seem desperate for this to be a huge problem. I'm not sure it is. I would suggest that he (Blessin) is of the 'highest calibre' - Leipzig pedigree - been honed at one of the biggest and most prestigious chains of clubs in Europe, sought out by a Premier League club, obviously done a superb job at Ostende. It has attracted media attention from around the globe.
Contribute significantly to the development of the game in England - would be managing the 15th biggest club in England (or something), in charge of one of the best academies in the country (in terms of England players produced). Currently a premier side - obvs going to be relegated but with potential to bounce back. Obviously has some interesting and innovative tactical ideas. Will be managing at least 2 players in the England pathway (Rammers and Brewster, maybe more from the younger age groups). They (and hopefully Blessin and Sheff Utd) will have a huge impact on the game at the top level. We virtually invented football in sheffield remember - so we are a big deal historically and with heritage albeit we arent a Top 6.
On the criteria:
a). Has many many years of coaching at Leipzig, many more than clowns like John Terry, Fat Frank, Rooney etc. Probably more qualified than any of them with badges etc
b). Ok - Belgian League. I think they might need to look at this. I wouldn't neccesarily judge it to be so crap as they have currently. If its so bad how come they have the best national side in the world, have produced some brilliant players and why do they get so many UEFA places. Worth questionning this judgement (of assigning it Tier 2) I would say. A decent barrister would drive a coach and horses through this bit.
c). Again you could argue that Osstende are going to qualify for UEFA competition probably in the top 4, so possibly CL?. Blessin has managed them to this.
d)-e). Ok, that is a given but who is to say that Blessin hasnt had some involvement with say German age group sides. Worth discussing and ruminating on if he has that experience
f). Because he is young and has worked his way up, so these rules are working against the 'Apprenticeship' model and instead favouring old has beens. Is that what they want - I would suggest managers go stale far quicker than other professions so these GBE guidance are going to point towards older, staler managers ?
My general approach would be to present as coherent an argument and be as persuasive as possible in the first instance so we get the nod immediately and PLAY BY THE RULES.
But I would also reference (THE IRON FIST IN THE SILK GLOVE) in a gentle but slightly threatening way so they know the consequences:
  • this is only GUIDANCE - one can make the case that it should be to guide - not direct
  • The guidance has not been adequately consulted on, was rushed and would almost certainly rule out many of the so called biggest managers in England Solskaer, Bielsa, Arteta. So its obviously a bit bollox and not good enough to stand scrutiny. Whate evidence do they have that it will actually drive up the standard of recruited managers? NONE - they will just be more experienced
  • It (the criteria) is so flawed it probably won't stand scrutiny by any reasonable person (or high powered sports barristers)
  • There are probably very few (if any) managers across the globe who would receive a GBE, have they even considered this
  • It would be embarrasing for the FA to judge against one of its own teams
  • Sheff Utd can and have overturrned FA judgement/other bollox at CAS in the past and made them look stupid, be quite easy for us to do this again
  • Panels members may well end up looking personally stupid and have reputational damage if they refuse it
  • The guidance is likely to change soon so how much weight should the current version have?
  • Maybe highlight how few people would actually qualify for a GBE given the quick tenure of football managers spells at clubs, long spells unemployed etc
  • They obviously drafted this in haste and have made it far too restrictive, worth comparing to other trades like some of those as exemplified on here ie DJ/Nurse etc have far less stringent requirements even though they are for 'lesser paid' roles. Therefore it is not logical and doesnt stand scrutiny.
And this is all the above board stuff before the behind the scenes lobbying of Sir Tricky Trev and Dodgy Dave Richards and co.
And of course the well paid consultancy that might come up in a few years time at SUFC for panel members to advise us on 'stuff'.
So lets not chuck in the towel just yet eh?
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You honestly think 2 years experience in a role is too much for a country to ask for in order to protect its own roles for its own workers, because that’s the only issue here?
Really not sure what case you think we’d present to CAS if the FA won’t accept our appeal. He has no right to work here at all, he doesn’t fit with very fair, balanced and relatively easy to meet criteria designed to protect British jobs. Who gives a toss if it’s easier for Rooney, Terry or Frank Lampard? It should be, that’s the whole point of it.
I personally still think if we really want this then an argument would be on the appeal panel when the FA decide what it is they want and it gets through because the FA don’t really want a fight about it, but it’s far from certain.
Against very fair criteria he does not qualify until he been in role with his current side for another 12 months.
 
Rudders said:
Hi Phil, you seem desperate for this to be a huge problem. I'm not sure it is. I would suggest that he (Blessin) is of the 'highest calibre' - Leipzig pedigree - been honed at one of the biggest and most prestigious chains of clubs in Europe, sought out by a Premier League club, obviously done a superb job at Ostende. It has attracted media attention from around the globe.
Contribute significantly to the development of the game in England - would be managing the 15th biggest club in England (or something), in charge of one of the best academies in the country (in terms of England players produced). Currently a premier side - obvs going to be relegated but with potential to bounce back. Obviously has some interesting and innovative tactical ideas. Will be managing at least 2 players in the England pathway (Rammers and Brewster, maybe more from the younger age groups). They (and hopefully Blessin and Sheff Utd) will have a huge impact on the game at the top level. We virtually invented football in sheffield remember - so we are a big deal historically and with heritage albeit we arent a Top 6.
On the criteria:
a). Has many many years of coaching at Leipzig, many more than clowns like John Terry, Fat Frank, Rooney etc. Probably more qualified than any of them with badges etc
b). Ok - Belgian League. I think they might need to look at this. I wouldn't neccesarily judge it to be so crap as they have currently. If its so bad how come they have the best national side in the world, have produced some brilliant players and why do they get so many UEFA places. Worth questionning this judgement (of assigning it Tier 2) I would say. A decent barrister would drive a coach and horses through this bit.
c). Again you could argue that Osstende are going to qualify for UEFA competition probably in the top 4, so possibly CL?. Blessin has managed them to this.
d)-e). Ok, that is a given but who is to say that Blessin hasnt had some involvement with say German age group sides. Worth discussing and ruminating on if he has that experience
f). Because he is young and has worked his way up, so these rules are working against the 'Apprenticeship' model and instead favouring old has beens. Is that what they want - I would suggest managers go stale far quicker than other professions so these GBE guidance are going to point towards older, staler managers ?
My general approach would be to present as coherent an argument and be as persuasive as possible in the first instance so we get the nod immediately and PLAY BY THE RULES.
But I would also reference (THE IRON FIST IN THE SILK GLOVE) in a gentle but slightly threatening way so they know the consequences:
  • this is only GUIDANCE - one can make the case that it should be to guide - not direct
  • The guidance has not been adequately consulted on, was rushed and would almost certainly rule out many of the so called biggest managers in England Solskaer, Bielsa, Arteta. So its obviously a bit bollox and not good enough to stand scrutiny. Whate evidence do they have that it will actually drive up the standard of recruited managers? NONE - they will just be more experienced
  • It (the criteria) is so flawed it probably won't stand scrutiny by any reasonable person (or high powered sports barristers)
  • There are probably very few (if any) managers across the globe who would receive a GBE, have they even considered this
  • It would be embarrasing for the FA to judge against one of its own teams
  • Sheff Utd can and have overturrned FA judgement/other bollox at CAS in the past and made them look stupid, be quite easy for us to do this again
  • Panels members may well end up looking personally stupid and have reputational damage if they refuse it
  • The guidance is likely to change soon so how much weight should the current version have?
  • Maybe highlight how few people would actually qualify for a GBE given the quick tenure of football managers spells at clubs, long spells unemployed etc
  • They obviously drafted this in haste and have made it far too restrictive, worth comparing to other trades like some of those as exemplified on here ie DJ/Nurse etc have far less stringent requirements even though they are for 'lesser paid' roles. Therefore it is not logical and doesnt stand scrutiny.
And this is all the above board stuff before the behind the scenes lobbying of Sir Tricky Trev and Dodgy Dave Richards and co.
And of course the well paid consultancy that might come up in a few years time at SUFC for panel members to advise us on 'stuff'.
So lets not chuck in the towel just yet eh?
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An impressive list of arguments against the specified criteria. May I ask, how did you become aware of these detailed criteria and barriers that we'd need to overcome?
 
Can't imagine
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Well. Protecting jobs for UK workers (including Managers) is what all "Work Permit" regs are about. Pre Brexit as well. Nearly every country on Earth (and single markets) understandably runs protectionism policies. The more Blessin's the fewer Wilders.
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Football likes to think it lives outside all of the rules everyone else lives by. With any business that deals with the EU drowning in red tape it'd be a bold PR move for football to completely disregard their own stated rules regarding incoming players and coaching staff.
 
S64 Blade said:
Given that footballers and staff have been flying about the World pretty much doing as they did before, for the last year, I can’t see a work permit being an issue.
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Hi mate. Everyone who lives & works in another country needs the permission of that country to do that work. That is what Blessin will have to apply for. Permission to live & work here.
(also, although you make the point about flying, maybe he'll come on a ferry)
 

Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Hi mate. Everyone who lives & works in another country needs the permission of that country to do that work. That is what Blessin will have to apply for. Permission to live & work here.
(also, although you make the point about flying, maybe he'll come on a ferry)
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Stay strong brother!! Another wave incoming.
 
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