Addio Diego?

[Pinchy]

Then he should sign his contract and prove himself as good as you believe he is. It will take more than a handful of Fourth Division goals though.

Managers have to manage. That means making decisions that matter. It's a bit harder than playing at it on a message board.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

How do you think he gets picked for his Country exactly? I can guarentee you it isn't because he's wank for us.Italy's youth set up see quality in him,and lets be fair here,Italy are better than England 'atm'.

I'm sick and tired of people saying that one of our youngsters isn't good enough just because Sir Nigel Of Cloughness doesn't see fit to play him,it's getting tiresome.

Is Butler not good enough for League one? Is Collins all of a sudden not good enough for League one? Why has Dimaio not had a start since last seasons quality couple of performances?

Clough doesn't get everything right,and i'm personally struggling to see a lot of things he does get right 'atm' apart from the cup performances.Honestly,if this lad goes,we will be getting rid of a quality footballer.

And Pinchy ,i don't want none of this bladey bladeness bullshit,the lads got talent and it will piss me off big time if we let this lad leave for next to nothing.The blades are crying out for a creative flair sort of player who can play football through the middle,this lad can do it but we choose to persist with all these Scottish internationals we have I really do wonder sometimes.

The Italian U17 to U21 are one of the best set ups in the world for football excellence . Arrigo Sacchi again one of the best football brains and a respected coach in the world spotted the lad Diego

The consensus of opinion is that Diego is he has to mature ( Mr Cloughs words , not mine ).

My view he is a raw and has to be neutered , for his full potential. He is a player , all football fans love , that being a rare talent , which is a dying breed , that used to be called a maverick.

Unfortunately Mr Clough appears not to be that keen on this type of player , although in this instance , i am backing Mr Sacchi judgement .

Get the lad signed , as we have a gem . He cannot be asking for a queens ransom , surely , but perhaps just game time.

UTB

 

[wizadry]

Then he should sign his contract and prove himself as good as you believe he is. It will take more than a handful of Fourth Division goals though.

Managers have to manage. That means making decisions that matter. It's a bit harder than playing at it on a message board.

Would you sign a contract at a club where you aren't getting a game? No,me neither.

 

[Pinchy]

Would you sign a contract at a club where you aren't getting a game? No,me neither.

He'll get one when he deserves one Wiz. It's that simple. You should listen to Terry Kennedy's recent interview. He can't say enough about NC and his approach to young players. It was there for all to see at Derby too.

It really isn't for a kid who, in reality, has achieved nothing in the game, to start demanding a first team place on the back of four goals for York. Frankly, it appears he lacks character and commitment if that's his stance.

I repeat. Diego will be a lot better player if he starts listening to Nigel (who knows a bit about playing up-front) rather than friends, agents and admirers, who tell him what he wants to hear. I'm afraid you are in the latter category and you are doing the lad no favours at all.

 

[JohnDenver]

he is a raw and has to be neutered

Oof!

 

[wizadry]

He'll get one when he deserves one Wiz. It's that simple. You should listen to Terry Kennedy's recent interview. He can't say enough about NC and his approach to young players. It was there for all to see at Derby too.

It really isn't for a kid who, in reality, has achieved nothing in the game, to start demanding a first team place on the back of four goals for York. Frankly, it appears he lacks character and commitment if that's his stance.

I repeat. Diego will be a lot better player if he starts listening to Nigel (who knows a bit about playing up-front) rather than friends, agents and admirers, who tell him what he wants to hear. I'm afraid you are in the latter category and you are doing the lad no favours at all.

First of all,i don't think the lad will ever need,or will ever have to listen to me in his entire career.

Terry Kennedy isn't going to say anything else 'atm' is he? He's in the team,so he's not going to start saying he wants to move in order to get first team football is he? No,he will be in admiration for a bloke that's given him a chance.As a matter of interest,lets see how long our very good up and coming Centre back stays in Cloughs plans.

If the lad lacks character and commitment would he ever get picked for the Italian youth set up? No.

What i see 'atm' is a lad who doesn't want to sit on his arse and take a pay check,i see a lad that wants to play first team football and i see nothing wrong with that at all.We see too many players these days willing to do just that.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Rather flawed is this if I say so myself as it's based on one game I saw him play on the telly (jpt away).

But in all seriousness, he did look woefully short of the required standard based on this solitary performance.

UTB

 

[Davie Blade]

Will De Girolamo D. be the latest in a long line of players "not given a chance" at the Lane who then disappear into non-league (see Whitehouse E. Ironside J, Chappell J etc etc)?

I suppose you could call Juventus a non English league side.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Why fans are outraged about the treatment of an unproven 17 year old is beyond me? If he leaves it's because he doesn't want to sign and the reason he isn't playing is because either his attitude or ability isn't at the level required.
Why would anyone turn on the manager for not playing a kid shows the mentality of some of our fans?
They'd let him run the club because Italy U18s have picked him. Madness.

 

[wizadry]

Rather flawed is this if I say so myself as it's based on one game I saw him play on the telly (jpt away).

But in all seriousness, he did look woefully short of the required standard based on this solitary performance.

UTB

I don't judge a player on one JPT game of football,played out of position out wide.The lad went through the middle for the last 10 minutes of that game incidently and looked pretty decent.

Iv'e seen the lad on a numerous of occasions and along with Dimaio can't understand how these two can't get infront of some of the inept performances we've seen this season.

I'll tell you what,if these two would have played this season,we wouldn't be any further down the league put it this way.

 

[wizadry]

Why fans are outraged about the treatment of an unproven 17 year old is beyond me? If he leaves it's because he doesn't want to sign and the reason he isn't playing is because either his attitude or ability isn't at the level required.
Why would anyone turn on the manager for not playing a kid shows the mentality of some of our fans?
They'd let him run the club because Italy U18s have picked him. Madness.

Here will come Pinchy with his bladey bladeness and no need for common sense on this forum speech.I'm speaking the truth your honour,it does sometimes hurt.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Nothing to do with Bladey bladeness just pure stupidity to blame the manager for not playing him when you have no idea about the lads attitude, application or professionalism.
Maybe that's why Morrisons should have been playing for Man Utd and West Ham. Kids got ability so has to play regardless, right?

 

[wizadry]

Why fans are outraged about the treatment of an unproven 17 year old is beyond me? If he leaves it's because he doesn't want to sign and the reason he isn't playing is because either his attitude or ability isn't at the level required.
Why would anyone turn on the manager for not playing a kid shows the mentality of some of our fans?
They'd let him run the club because Italy U18s have picked him. Madness.

I haven't seen any outrage on here either,just good honest debate.What you have just said is one of the biggest load of bollocks iv'e seen on here.

LET HIM RUN THE CLUB? My ribs are absolutely killing.Where have you plucked that one out from,your cheeks?

 

[Davie Blade]

Could the OP provide evidence of NC's duplicitous comments?

If this is Clough's best shot at man management and trying to keep a player , it's no wonder he hasn't signed.

"He has come back from York whilst we try and tie it up and with him not being cup-tied, it won't do him any harm being around the place for the next week or two.

"We'll have him around the first-team, see if he can feature, then once his contract is sorted, we will look at getting him back out on-loan to gain some more experience.''

Just so unbelievable.
It is pretty clear to me yet again there's another in the lengthening line of players who have suffered a 'clash of personalities'.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You're the ones who are saying he should be playing.
Ignorant bullshit, unless know for a fact he's been the model pro of course, which you don't.
To try and make out Clough doesn't play youngsters if they're good enough just flies against the clear facts.

 

[wizadry]

Nothing to do with Bladey bladeness just pure stupidity to blame the manager for not playing him when you have no idea about the lads attitude, application or professionalism.
Maybe that's why Morrisons should have been playing for Man Utd and West Ham. Kids got ability so has to play regardless, right?

The lads attitude shouldn't be in question.He was willing to go to league 2 and stay there,so if i was you i'd have a look at the facts before spouting bollocks.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The lads attitude shouldn't be in question.He was willing to go to league 2 and stay there,so if i was you i'd have a look at the facts before spouting bollocks.

Why shouldn't it be in question?
Do you know he's the model pro?

I know for a fact you don't know that, therefore you're talking shit and do not have the slightest clue eitherway.

 

[wizadry]

You're the ones who are saying he should be playing.
Ignorant bullshit, unless know for a fact he's been the model pro of course, which you don't.
To try and make out Clough doesn't play youngsters if they're good enough just flies against the clear facts.

Did you watch Dimaio last year? If so would you have thought he would have got a better look in this season? If the answer is no then why not?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Did you watch Dimaio last year? If so would you have thought he would have got a better look in this season? If the answer is no then why not?

I like Dimaio a lot, but he's struggled to kick on this year and Reed has surpassed him. I fully expect to see him come back though and hope it's later this year but maybe not until next season.
Kids don't always continue to develop at the same rate, Reed might suffer the same but I think both will end up having good careers.
Young Diego has some important decsions to make, not if he signs for is or not but which way is he going to go with his life. I hope he makes the right decisions because he's got a lot to potentially lose.

 

[wizadry]

Why shouldn't it be in question?
Do you know he's the model pro?

I know for a fact you don't know that, therefore you're talking shit and do not have the slightest clue eitherway.

Would you not agree that a lad willing to go to league 2 and stay there,has a good attitude and just wants to play football to enhance his career?

I don't know whether he's the model pro as you so put it as i don't train him day in day out but i do know he's a good player.

Let me ask you this,Is John Terry who shagged Wayne Bridges' misses a model pro? Is Gazza who smacked women a model pro? Is Suarez the racist a model pro? Most if not all footballers get picked on ability,not whether they wear their cap or not.

You seem to think you know a lot about me by the way.Stop stalking,it doesn't suit you.

 

[wizadry]

I like Dimaio a lot, but he's struggled to kick on this year and Reed has surpassed him. I fully expect to see him come back though and hope it's later this year but maybe not until next season.
Kids don't always continue to develop at the same rate, Reed might suffer the same but I think both will end up having good careers.
Young Diego has some important decsions to make, not if he signs for is or not but which way is he going to go with his life. I hope he makes the right decisions because he's got a lot to potentially lose.

Yes,he does have decisions to make,but not being played will make the decision a tad easier.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Would you not agree that a lad willing to go to league 2 and stay there,has a good attitude and just wants to play football to enhance his career?

No I wouldn't say he's got a good professional attitude. I'd say he's a kid with a lot to learn and some big decisions to make which will ultimately decide what he's going to become.
Also your not playing argument falls flat as he's been playing, just not at United. If he just wants to play and develop then he can do that at a sensible level by signing.

 

[itsinyerblood]

If this is Clough's best shot at man management and trying to keep a player , it's no wonder he hasn't signed.

"He has come back from York whilst we try and tie it up and with him not being cup-tied, it won't do him any harm being around the place for the next week or two.

"We'll have him around the first-team, see if he can feature, then once his contract is sorted, we will look at getting him back out on-loan to gain some more experience.''

Just so unbelievable.
It is pretty clear to me yet again there's another in the lengthening line of players who have suffered a 'clash of personalities'.

It's Clough's right to manage how he see's fit. You or I aren't party to what goes on, what attitudes, player, agent, or manager, are displayed, and where the root of all of this might lie. As for the comment about another in the lengthening line of players who have suffered a 'clash of personalities'......doesn't happen at other clubs of course, and that assumes that's what's happened here? Just another example of kneejerk problem solving without a shred of evidence to support it.

It strikes me that from a post with a fan's perspective, we suddenly have an insight based on.....well I'm not really sure to be honest. I suppose I could imagine a scenario - good player, perfect attitude, best youth player I've seen in my career while at Forest, Liverpool, or Man City, so I think I'll let him stew in his juices as I squander the chance to watch him play for Sheffield United, sounds like a plan, good management that, signed N.Clough - make sense to you? No, me neither. The qualities that are being attributed to Clough seem pure conjecture, based on nothing more that supporter projection of what they imagine Clough's persona is actually based on.

Nonsense if you ask me, pure, uninformed nonsense.

 

[wizadry]

No I wouldn't say he's got a good professional attitude.

Right then! You say i don't have a clue either way,yet you say he hasn't got a good attitude.Can you please prove this? I've given you my evidence with the league 2 scenario can i now have yours to tell me this lad hasn't got the right attitude to play for our club?

Also your not playing argument falls flat as he's been playing, just not at United. If he just wants to play and develop then he can do that at a sensible level by signing.

Falls flat? He's played for York,why would he sign a contract at a club where other youngsters are being given the chance ahead of him while he gets sent out on loan?
Has Clough sent many players out on loan and then wanted to play them weak in weak out? I don't know many scenarios of this happening,propably Porter last season but he had no choice.

 

[Pinchy]

If this is Clough's best shot at man management and trying to keep a player , it's no wonder he hasn't signed.

"He has come back from York whilst we try and tie it up and with him not being cup-tied, it won't do him any harm being around the place for the next week or two.

"We'll have him around the first-team, see if he can feature, then once his contract is sorted, we will look at getting him back out on-loan to gain some more experience.''

Just so unbelievable.
It is pretty clear to me yet again there's another in the lengthening line of players who have suffered a 'clash of personalities'.

The only unbelievable thing here is the elevation to Demi-God of a kid with potential but who has achieved, in grown-up football, next to nothing.

I hope the lad makes it. He has talent and I like talented players. But he is getting some very poor advice at the moment and it is echoed on here.

Get your head down in training lad, listen to the manager (actually that's not a choice you have, you know; it's what we pay you for), demonstrate your excellence at u-21 level and in training and you'll get your chance. If you doubt that for one moment pop over to Derby and speak to Will Hughes and plenty more, or maybe have a chat with Kennedy, Reed and Adams at Shirecliffe.

Alternatively, sulk and feel sorry for yourself. You'll go a long way like that.......down.

Juventus? You'll have more chance of Fray Bentos.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Right then! You say i don't have a clue either way,yet you say he hasn't got a good attitude.Can you please prove this?

Not sure why going out on loan proves anything tbh, but if you want proof that he's not applying himself right then why is he in town on an evening when he been specifically told not to be. Has that happened? Almost certainly and I know for a fact the club were made aware. That's just one minor example and there are others I'm not willing to put on a public forum as I was told in confidence and last time I foolishly did so, with the meeting about Blackwell, a lot of people got in trouble.
What I will say is that Reed hasn't had a problem getting games, neither have others so Clough doesn't have an issue blooding the youngsters providing they do what is needed from them. Diego isn't getting started so I think it's safe to conclude he isn't offering what is needed.
Oh and your argument falls flat because he can continue to be well paid and play regularly and continue to develop without moving away. If playing and developing is key to him then he would stay and sign.

PS you do aeem quite an angry fellow, are you alright? Might I suggest you have a glass of wine or something to calm your nerves?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

How do you think he gets picked for his Country exactly? I can guarentee you it isn't because he's wank for us.Italy's youth set up see quality in him,and lets be fair here,Italy are better than England 'atm'.

Errr can you please clarify that last line? England under 17s, 18s and 19s are certainly comparable if not superior to Italy over recent seasons.
I'm reasonably certain we've beaten Italy at these levels only recently and out qualified them more often than not.

 

[wizadry]

Not sure why going out on loan proves anything tbh, but if you want proof that he's not applying himself right then why is he in town on an evening when he been specifically told not to be. Has that happened? Almost certainly and I know for a fact the club were made aware. That's just one minor example and there are others I'm not willing to put on a public forum as I was told in confidence and last time I foolishly did so, with the meeting about Blackwell, a lot of people got in trouble.
What I will say is that Reed hasn't had a problem getting games, neither have others so Clough doesn't have an issue blooding the youngsters providing they do what is needed from them. Diego isn't getting started so I think it's safe to conclude he isn't offering what is needed.
Oh and your argument falls flat because he can continue to be well paid and play regularly and continue to develop without moving away. If playing and developing is key to him then he would stay and sign.

PS you do aeem quite an angry fellow, are you alright? Might I suggest you have a glass of wine or something to calm your nerves?

Yes,don't say anymore,that will do.We're sending a glass eye to sleep here.We aren't getting anywhere at all,i'm struggling to see how he can be well paid at a league 2 club,which is where i said he was willing to stay.And no i'm not angry mate,i'm just mystified as to how people put so much loyalty into a manager that's been here only a year who's never had a league promotion to his name over someone who's been at our club for 12 years.

 

[wizadry]

Errr can you please clarify that last line? England under 17s, 18s and 19s are certainly comparable if not superior to Italy over recent seasons.
I'm reasonably certain we've beaten Italy at these levels only recently and out qualified them more often than not.

I did mean Italy in general bob.My point was he must be doing something right to be picked by the Italian youth set up,as i'm pretty sure they'd have enough players to pick from over there.

 

[Davie Blade]

It was under 9 months ago that a host of Serie A teams including Juventus and Arsenal were tracking him.
This was widely reported at the time In both the Italian and British press.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nal-track-Sheffield-Uniteds-star-striker.html

As for proof of the rift between Clough and Diego, there was the the Johnstone's paint trophy vs Walsall which Sky televised,. Due to the low crowd attendance alllied to a badly synched pitch side microphone you could hear every comment NC made.
This was a rare example of being a 'fly on the wall' at the inner sanctum of someones place of work.
It didn't make for, how can I put it, ''inspiring listening.''
For me that came as a big shock since I'd been a big NC fan until then. The mic was corrected for the second half I recall.

As for ''clash of personalities'' the purpose of using the double inverted commas was to emphasis irony; a la Butler, and a few more.