CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale sold to Arsenal

[Darthblade]

So we are all agreed we should not sell Ramsdale yet but we should sell Ramsdale at some point soon.

Only if Arsenal man-up and offer £35m+

UTB & FTP

 

[alcoblade]

I'm not really clued up on players, targets etc. But show me a viable player who is BETTER than Berge

Every one of our existing midfielders, for starters.

 

[knowsnowt]

Based on what we've seen so far, I agree.
There's no way we've seen Berge at his best yet though.

 

[Frank the tank]

Because some posters are really thick, and need reminding.

They must be thick to need reminding 274747478 times a day

 

[itsinyerblood]

If we did sell Ramsdale, who replaces him?

 

[Champagneblade]

If we did sell Ramsdale, who replaces him?

Player Suggestion - Ramsdale Replacement

Looking increasingly likely that he's going to leave, sadly. Personally, I'd want to keep him but if we're talking £30 million that's just too good to turn down for England's what 5th choice keeper. Would leave us with Wes and Veriips on the books. Wes is nowhere near good enough to play at...

www.s24su.com

 

[mcbladeface]

I have to confess that my knowledge of keepers around the world is poor. But I really struggle to believe that we couldn't acquire a top championship standard keeper for £5M.

I don't pretend to know a lot about the market for keepers either but I think that's wildly optimistic. I mean if you were simply looking for a keeper with champ experience then sure, that's possible for 5 mill but bear in mind that includes the likes of Cameron Dawson. You could get Dawson for 5 mill but frankly you get him with a promise to take him on a day out once a month. If you're after an actual skilled keeper from another championship club, I feel you're looking closer to 10. Factor in that we'll be paying a "parachute payment" premium if buying from other championship clubs and you could be looking as high as 11 or 12. The sensible option would probably be to look abroad or give Verrips a shot but then we're still in the realm of gambling with a crucial position at higher stakes than we would with Ramsdale.

The 30 million bid for Ramsdale was nonsense and the best offer so far is 500k less than we paid at 18 million with add-ons that we'll probably never see. For me that's shit and doesn't leave us a lot to work with if we also have to replace a keeper as close as possible to bing as good as ramsdale.

I feel the safer bet is to stick with Ramsdale. Yeah, he was dreadful for us for the first half of last season but that coincided with our defence going to absolute pot. He improved a hell of a lot and I don't think that was thanks to the defence suddenly transforming that much. His performances with Bournemouth weren't terrible either. All together he's had a lot more good than bad.

As far as the need to sell before we buy, I kinda share the anxiety but at the same time part of me feels like this whole window seems slow. Maybe it's just the Blades blinkers but I don't feel like there's a lot of meaningful movement anywhere . I know that doesn't mean we're safe but it does mean we're in danger of blinking first and doing some shit value panic buying.

 

[Scarebus]

Based on what we've seen so far, I agree.
There's no way we've seen Berge at his best yet though.

If we can't handle Berge at his worst, we don't deserve him at his best.

- Donna off Facebook

 

[blade67]

I have to confess that my knowledge of keepers around the world is poor. But I really struggle to believe that we couldn't acquire a top championship standard keeper for £5M.

The highest fee ever paid by a Championship club was just under £7m for Sam Johnstone.

Only player ever bought at that level for more than £5m

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Another issue is the premium any club will add because of the £30 million we’ve just got, on top of the parachute payments

 

[Scarebus]

Another issue is the premium any club will add because of the £30 million we’ve just got, on top of the parachute payments

Can't pay a premium if we don't buy any players

 

[Snowflake]

We don’t have the players of the required quality to player either 3 CB’s (which I suspect will be the preferred system) or 2 CB’s and 2 full backs.

At his last club he played 3 at the back, at watford he usually set up in a 4-3-1-2 and at Fulham in a 4-3-3.

In my opinion we haven’t got the players to adequately play any of those formations to a level that would get us a top 2 place.

I think you consider the other teams in the Championship to be better than they are.
We have the players to play in any formation, but not if we get promoted

 

[Champagneblade]

I don't pretend to know a lot about the market for keepers either but I think that's wildly optimistic. I mean if you were simply looking for a keeper with champ experience then sure, that's possible for 5 mill but bear in mind that includes the likes of Cameron Dawson. You could get Dawson for 5 mill but frankly you get him with a promise to take him on a day out once a month. If you're after an actual skilled keeper from another championship club, I feel you're looking closer to 10. Factor in that we'll be paying a "parachute payment" premium if buying from other championship clubs and you could be looking as high as 11 or 12. The sensible option would probably be to look abroad or give Verrips a shot but then we're still in the realm of gambling with a crucial position at higher stakes than we would with Ramsdale.

The 30 million bid for Ramsdale was nonsense and the best offer so far is 500k less than we paid at 18 million with add-ons that we'll probably never see. For me that's shit and doesn't leave us a lot to work with if we also have to replace a keeper as close as possible to bing as good as ramsdale.

I feel the safer bet is to stick with Ramsdale. Yeah, he was dreadful for us for the first half of last season but that coincided with our defence going to absolute pot. He improved a hell of a lot and I don't think that was thanks to the defence suddenly transforming that much. His performances with Bournemouth weren't terrible either. All together he's had a lot more good than bad.

As far as the need to sell before we buy, I kinda share the anxiety but at the same time part of me feels like this whole window seems slow. Maybe it's just the Blades blinkers but I don't feel like there's a lot of meaningful movement anywhere . I know that doesn't mean we're safe but it does mean we're in danger of blinking first and doing some shit value panic buying.

Tend to agree. Arsenal aren't quite getting it. We like having Ramsdale. We aren't desperate to push him out the door. He doesn't have a release clause. They need to entice us to sell an asset that the manager is counting on.

The good thing when recruiting a keeper is that there is only one slot for them and they will get better with games.

For that reason, there will be a few out of contract which you could approach simply because you can offer them games at a level most can't as most teams don't really have a vacancy there and it's not a position you look to rotate. Take Bettinelli as the example. His other options will be back up for say Chelsea, possibly even 3rd choice. So you have a good chance of getting someone like him, deal run out, played plenty at this level. There will be a few like this. It may sound daft, but even players like Caballero could be an option for a year. He's played for Argentina. At the moment his wage is zero. He isn't going to get a big contract but has a wealth of experience. Not pushing him per se, just an example.

Otherwise I'd go the loan route. Again most top clubs have 3, even 4 keepers. So few will have a chance to play at the level we are at so if anything you hold the aces. Newcastle seem to have 3 acceptable level keepers for instance.

There is always the possibility that the manager takes a shine to one of the 5 keepers we have left, too.

If you do sell Rammers, the money has to be too good to be true and if so then there is little point in then eating well into that to buy a replacement unless your recruitment is very clever and you are buying from a distressed market. For example and I've never seen him, but I read Benjamin Siegrist at Dundee United is getting good reviews and tipped as an option for Celtic. Someone like him perhaps would cost 300k.

Fill your boots (actually there aren't that many names I'm familiar with):

Free agents

In dieser Übersicht werden alle Spieler aufgeführt, die derzeit keine Verträge besitzen und somit Vertragslos sind.

www.transfermarkt.com

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Can't pay a premium if we don't buy any players

Then we would be fucked

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Another issue is the premium any club will add because of the £30 million we’ve just got, on top of the parachute payments

With so many clubs financially shit-canned by COVID throughout football, we’re in quite a unique position where it’s likely that we won’t be paying premium prices for decent players. Parachute payments & 2 years of premier league TV cash behind us, we’re in a very strong financial position in comparison to most clubs these days, both nationally & internationally.

 

[alcoblade]

They must be thick to need reminding 274747478 times a day

Just certain ones;

https://www.s24su.com/forum/members/frank-the-tank.23449/

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

With so many clubs financially shit-canned by COVID throughout football, we’re in quite a unique position where it’s likely that we won’t be paying premium prices for decent players. Parachute payments & 2 years of premier league TV cash behind us, we’re in a very strong financial position in comparison to most clubs these days, both nationally & internationally.

Well the Prince talks a good game regarding player negotiations, I guess we’ll find out.

 

[Frank the tank]

Just certain ones;

https://www.s24su.com/forum/members/frank-the-tank.23449/

So you going to stop now then ?

 

[Nah den]

Ramsdale was awful for half a season, genuinely terrible. Improved second half to the point that he was making some truly great saves. Still had a bomb scare moment or two coming for crosses mind. People seem certain, beyond doubt, that he comes back start of next season and is a world class keeper, worth more to us than £30m+.

I think that is a massive gamble. What happens if he comes back and can't catch a football again?

As for Championship keepers we could get for circa £5m...there must be some good keepers with transfer clauses in their contracts. Most of our sought after players seem to.

 

[BarryBigtime]

Ramsdale was awful for half a season, genuinely terrible. Improved second half to the point that he was making some truly great saves. Still had a bomb scare moment or two coming for crosses mind. People seem certain, beyond doubt, that he comes back start of next season and is a world class keeper, worth more to us than £30m+.

I think that is a massive gamble. What happens if he comes back and can't catch a football again?

As for Championship keepers we could get for circa £5m...there must be some good keepers with transfer clauses in their contracts. Most of our sought after players seem to.

Completely agree. I think the benefits of selling Ramsdale, reinvesting in the midfield, maybe signing a replacement, far outweigh keeping him. His stock isn't going to rise in the Championship and say, heaven forbid, we don't get promoted...we have an asset which we may be forced to sell for a lower fee.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Ramsdale was awful for half a season, genuinely terrible. Improved second half to the point that he was making some truly great saves. Still had a bomb scare moment or two coming for crosses mind. People seem certain, beyond doubt, that he comes back start of next season and is a world class keeper, worth more to us than £30m+.

I think that is a massive gamble. What happens if he comes back and can't catch a football again?

As for Championship keepers we could get for circa £5m...there must be some good keepers with transfer clauses in their contracts. Most of our sought after players seem to.

Nail head.

 

[alcoblade]

So you going to stop now then ?

Whilst the debate rumbles on about holding out for release fees and new signings next season, I’ll occasionally keep throwing in my two penneth. There’s plenty of counter opinion, and by the nature of message boards, minority opinion gets left behind on old pages.

You can, of course, choose to not let me live rent free in your head .

 

[Old Programme seller]

I wonder if Arsenal thinking that we’re skint tried a cheeky offer let’s face who could blame them but £30 million for a player that may not go into the first tea is a lot of money.

 

[Frank the tank]

Whilst the debate rumbles on about holding out for release fees and new signings next season, I’ll occasionally keep throwing in my two penneth. There’s plenty of counter opinion, and by the nature of message boards, minority opinion gets left behind on old pages.

You can, of course, choose to not let me live rent free in your head .

I've always wondered what that means to let someone live rent free in your head
If you think the moment I atop browsing this forum and reading your obsessive rages against our Norwegian midfielder I even give you a second thought then I can understand why you place so much importance on your own opinion ,even when everyone else is sidestepping it like a smelly dog turd

 

[Champagneblade]

Ramsdale was awful for half a season, genuinely terrible. Improved second half to the point that he was making some truly great saves. Still had a bomb scare moment or two coming for crosses mind. People seem certain, beyond doubt, that he comes back start of next season and is a world class keeper, worth more to us than £30m+.

I think that is a massive gamble. What happens if he comes back and can't catch a football again?

As for Championship keepers we could get for circa £5m...there must be some good keepers with transfer clauses in their contracts. Most of our sought after players seem to.

If we would end up spending 5m on a Championship ready keeper, I'd have some serious questions for the recruitment team and previous management as to why we have 3 other senior keepers still on our books if between them they cannot step in and fill the void (I'm discounting the two youngest). If they are honestly not up to it, then we accept that judgement call but it does then raise the question; why are they still here?

 

[Groucho Blade]

If we would end up spending 5m on a Championship ready keeper, I'd have some serious questions for the recruitment team and previous management as to why we have 3 other senior keepers still on our books if between them they cannot step in and fill the void (I'm discounting the two youngest). If they are honestly not up to it, then we accept that judgement call but it does then raise the question; why are they still here?

Well, they’re here because recruitment over the last two years has been appalling…and they’re still here because no one else wants them and it’d be too expensive to cancel their contracts….I suppose

 

[alcoblade]

I've always wondered what that means to let someone live rent free in your head
If you think the moment I atop browsing this forum and reading your obsessive rages against our Norwegian midfielder I even give you a second thought then I can understand why you place so much importance on your own opinion ,even when everyone else is sidestepping it like a smelly dog turd

6:25AM - Kerching…..

 

[chesblade]

.just seen on sky's paper talk that arsenal are sending 2 goalies out on loan so why do they want ramsdale

 

[Keen Blade]

We sold him for £1 + bought him back for £18 - if we can get £30m we might recover a large part of what we've already "lost" on him.
Gerrim selt.
Gerra decent cheaper replacement.
Gerra decent CB or 2.
Gerra creative MF.

 

[blade67]

I don't accept that though, though with any transfers you can never be sure.

There is a strange group think in play in a couple of these threads.

You seem to be fighting a lone battle but most people I know in the real world hold similar views to you.

These two lads show potential, but have had mixed performances in the short time they have been with us and if selling them provides the funds the manager wants then why not

Perhaps £35m is good value these days for a 23 y.o. with 30 average premier League appearances?