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February 3rd, 1962
Wednesday 1-2 United
Attendance: 50397

There are occasionally times when the next match cannot come round soon enough, and this was very much the case in January/February 1962. Having adjusted to life in the top division, United were now on a run of results in the League and Cup which made you just want the next match to come along. There was a consistent lineup, especially in defence, which meant that any Unitedite at the time could recite that back 6 as if it was a couplet taken from a famous English poem:

Hodgkinson, Coldwell, Graham Shaw;
Richardson, Shaw (J), Summers.

It always seemed to be ‘Graham Shaw’, but ‘Shaw (J)’, to make it scan more rhythmically. And that back 6 was by now one of the best in England. The forward line was also more settled, with Pace scoring for fun, wingers Allchurch and Simpson contributing assists and goals, and inside-forwards Russell and Kettleborough beginning to look as if they belonged at this level. So we went to Hillsborough in February 1962 just 2 points behind Wednesday (who were runners-up just 2 points behind champions Spurs the previous season), confident that we could catch them on points, though we were unlikely to score enough goals to bridge the gap in goal average.
And so we took our places on a packed Kop, and though the reports agree that it was not the best of games, I don’t remember sharing any of those concerns at the time! A Derby double over Wednesday was a day to celebrate, and if that was deemed to be because Wednesday were rubbish, I could live with that. Whenever the opposition is rubbish, it can because we have played well; and if the journalists agreed with us that Wednesday are rubbish, that in itself was ammunition for a good ‘discussion’ at school the following week.
Standing on the Kop was a mixed blessing. Great for the noise, but all the goals were scored at the other end of the ground, and I am ashamed to say that, without a scrapbook of photos or film of the match to give me reminders over the years, I have no direct memory of the goals. It is easy to forget that Pace scored goals in all sorts of ways, not just headers from Simpson’s crosses. I can’t believe I have forgotten him twice in a minute outwitting Swan and Springett - those were real pleasures in life.
The player-ratings from me and my brother are not in line with the press - we went for the safe option of giving the goal-scorer man-of-the-match, rather than join in with rave reviews of Kettleborough. I thought of him as ok, but was never totally convinced.
So, a wonderful start to February. Level with Wednesday, and a game in hand; we were still in the Cup, and there was a League Cup tie to squeeze in before the next league match. And there no complaints from us about the fixture pile-up. Bring it on! Pictures follow in next post; thanks as ever to Silent Blade for the newspaper reports.
 

wasnt there but remember the result wasnt it a night game think 'the doc' got our winner with a header got a pic of it somewhere if i can find it
This one was a Saturday afternoon at 3.00. Hard to remember they used to be that time every week! His 2 that day were both shots; he had scored the winner at the Lane with a header. That was on September 16th; details are in posts 655 and 656. Hope that helps.
 
There are occasions when coincidences make sports fans go all irrational and convince themselves that there are some inexplicable forces at work. The last 2 weeks have got me wondering…
Last week, exactly 60 years after our first ever match v Peterborough when we won by 2 goals, we went to Peterborough and won by 2 goals. A coincidence? I almost included in this week’s post on the 2-1 win v Wednesday that by coincidence our under-18s were playing Wednesday exactly 60 years later, and was this an omen that our lads would win 2-1? I backed off, thinking it was a stupid observation. And what happened? Our lads beat Wednesday 2-1… Do those footballing gods exist after all…?🤔
 
There are occasions when coincidences make sports fans go all irrational and convince themselves that there are some inexplicable forces at work. The last 2 weeks have got me wondering…
Last week, exactly 60 years after our first ever match v Peterborough when we won by 2 goals, we went to Peterborough and won by 2 goals. A coincidence? I almost included in this week’s post on the 2-1 win v Wednesday that by coincidence our under-18s were playing Wednesday exactly 60 years later, and was this an omen that our lads would win 2-1? I backed off, thinking it was a stupid observation. And what happened? Our lads beat Wednesday 2-1… Do those footballing gods exist after all…?🤔
west brom coming up hodgy match abandoned ? 🤔🤔
 
west brom coming up hodgy match abandoned ? 🤔🤔
A good job we’re not playing Norwich in a few weeks - I’d have been keeping well away from the floodlights!
I’m safe on West Brom - on a different thread, it dawned on me that the WBA match was the only match I have ever been to that was abandoned.
 
Tuesday February 6, 1962
League Cup, round 5
Blackpool 0-0 United
Attendance: 11,127

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I begin with a match report (provided by Silent Blade ), because I have no other information on this match: no programme, scrapbook no longer being added to, and to be honest, no memory that this game ever took place. I didn’t go to this game, and I am sure even my brother did not go. Judging by the report, it was not a bad game, with a strong lineup, and it kept our long unbeaten run going. Other than that, I am even struggling to find coincidences/omens. By coincidence, we have failed to win the League Cup every year since? The report mentions that the replay had to be before the end of February; this season, we are playing 7 games in February, and a replay v Blackpool would have added to the 6 matches scheduled for February 1962. What a coincidence… except that the replay missed the February deadline🤣
Can anyone add to the information about this game?
 
Tuesday February 6, 1962
League Cup, round 5
Blackpool 0-0 United
Attendance: 11,127

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I begin with a match report (provided by Silent Blade ), because I have no other information on this match: no programme, scrapbook no longer being added to, and to be honest, no memory that this game ever took place. I didn’t go to this game, and I am sure even my brother did not go. Judging by the report, it was not a bad game, with a strong lineup, and it kept our long unbeaten run going. Other than that, I am even struggling to find coincidences/omens. By coincidence, we have failed to win the League Cup every year since? The report mentions that the replay had to be before the end of February; this season, we are playing 7 games in February, and a replay v Blackpool would have added to the 6 matches scheduled for February 1962. What a coincidence… except that the replay missed the February deadline🤣
Can anyone add to the information about this game?
League Cup was still in its infancy at the time . Arsenal, Burnley, Chelsea, Everton. Liverpool, Manchester United, Sheffield Wednesday and Tottenham Hotspur did not enter.
 
March 10, 1962
West Ham 1-2 United
Attendance: 21829

I have to apologise again for the decline in standards in my posts on this thread; with my scrapbook having ended, I again had the problem that I can’t find the programme for this game. I will have been playing school football, but I am pretty sure my brother will have travelled to the game. But for some reason, it seems to have disappeared. Fortunately, Silent Blade has again rescued me, by providing the following report:
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It is clear that this was a classy performance by United, with the settled lineup again producing a solid performance in defence combined with attacking effectiveness necessary to beat a West Ham team that was a serious challenger for the League title. The League table shows that this win put United just one point behind West Ham, and a match in hand; more significantly, perhaps, it put us 2 points clear of Wednesday, again with a match in hand.
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The unbeaten run now stretched back to include 13 matches in League and Cups; we were now 6th in the top division, and still in the 5th round of both Cup competitions. How often have we been in such a strong position in the last 60 years? And if we are currently celebrating the goals of Billy Sharp (quite rightly), think how important Doc Pace was: 17 goals in 27 league matches, and this included a lean spell when people began talking about the need to replace him. Football is a fickle business.
Next week, we move on to the 5th Round of the Cup, v Norwich. As it turned out, the build-up to the game turned out to be much more dramatic than the game itself.
 
February 17, 1962
FA Cup 5th Round
United 3-1 Norwich
Attendance: 49304 Receipts: £8735

I am beginning to think this thread has powers of prediction which are beginning to unnerve me. 2 goal victory over Peterborough, 2-1 victory over Wednesday for our youngsters, and as I prepare this post storm Dudley is rattling our windows, and storm Eunice is predicted to follow shortly behind. 60 years ago, Sheffield made it onto the national news for the first time that I was aware of, as we were battered by the Sheffield gale (no fancy names then), winds of around 100mph that lasted overnight into Friday February 16th, speeds that have (🤞) so far never been repeated. The preparations for a big cup-tie (the 5th successive year in Round 5) suddenly took second place to the deaths and destruction visited by Mother Nature on the city. The context of this game was a scene which we expect to see only in distant lands:
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And even Bramall Lane itself was a mini-disaster area, with the floodlight pylon at the corner of Bramall Lane and John Street bent over onto the terracing and corner of the pitch:
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I would love to be able to claim that, like many others, I was awake all night, terrified of the ferocity of the wind. The truth is that I slept through the whole thing, and woke up late; it must have been the Friday of half-term (Friday and Monday in those days). The amount of debris around was astonishing. I heard about the damage at the Lane (how? Local radio had not been invented), and went down there. The sight of that floodlight pylon was amazing, and one I will never forget. There were men already at work on it, but there was debris and glass on the pitch, and I assumed that the game would be off. But the game did go ahead.
The crowd was just under 50000, perhaps partly because the damaged corner of the ground was closed off, and some people will no doubt have been beginning the task rebuilding their lives and homes. Once the match started, there was not nearly as much drama as in the 1959 match v Norwich in the Cup 6th Round. Utd this time were the better side, and went 3-0 up soon after half-time, thanks to an awful goalkeeping error (by Kennon, in my eyes a good keeper), an opportunist goal by Russell, and a classic ‘perfect centre by Allchurch and pin-point header by Pace’ goal into the Kop End; as it says in one of the reports, that set off the celebratory singing of ‘Ilkla Moor’, the song those of my generation associate with several years of outstanding Cup runs. And so it was 14 games unbeaten, and looking good with League and 2 Cups still to play for. Let’s hope the United of 2022 can get their unbeaten run up to 14 games and more…
So, it was a busy February. Provided Blackburn hadn’t drawn in their Cup game, it would be back to the Lane for a League match on Tuesday. Watch this space…
Reports (courtesy of Silent Blade ) and photos follow in the next post.
 

I think '59 was our big chance to win the cup. If we'd have seen off third division Norwich in the quarters, it would have been Luton in the semis then Forest in the final.
Luton and Forest were 1st division clubs. I have often wondered if we had beaten Norwich and Luton, would Archie Clark still be our manager for the final? We appointed Harris in April 1959
 
February 3rd, 1962
Wednesday 1-2 United
Attendance: 50397

There are occasionally times when the next match cannot come round soon enough, and this was very much the case in January/February 1962. Having adjusted to life in the top division, United were now on a run of results in the League and Cup which made you just want the next match to come along. There was a consistent lineup, especially in defence, which meant that any Unitedite at the time could recite that back 6 as if it was a couplet taken from a famous English poem:

Hodgkinson, Coldwell, Graham Shaw;
Richardson, Shaw (J), Summers.

It always seemed to be ‘Graham Shaw’, but ‘Shaw (J)’, to make it scan more rhythmically. And that back 6 was by now one of the best in England. The forward line was also more settled, with Pace scoring for fun, wingers Allchurch and Simpson contributing assists and goals, and inside-forwards Russell and Kettleborough beginning to look as if they belonged at this level. So we went to Hillsborough in February 1962 just 2 points behind Wednesday (who were runners-up just 2 points behind champions Spurs the previous season), confident that we could catch them on points, though we were unlikely to score enough goals to bridge the gap in goal average.
And so we took our places on a packed Kop, and though the reports agree that it was not the best of games, I don’t remember sharing any of those concerns at the time! A Derby double over Wednesday was a day to celebrate, and if that was deemed to be because Wednesday were rubbish, I could live with that. Whenever the opposition is rubbish, it can because we have played well; and if the journalists agreed with us that Wednesday are rubbish, that in itself was ammunition for a good ‘discussion’ at school the following week.
Standing on the Kop was a mixed blessing. Great for the noise, but all the goals were scored at the other end of the ground, and I am ashamed to say that, without a scrapbook of photos or film of the match to give me reminders over the years, I have no direct memory of the goals. It is easy to forget that Pace scored goals in all sorts of ways, not just headers from Simpson’s crosses. I can’t believe I have forgotten him twice in a minute outwitting Swan and Springett - those were real pleasures in life.
The player-ratings from me and my brother are not in line with the press - we went for the safe option of giving the goal-scorer man-of-the-match, rather than join in with rave reviews of Kettleborough. I thought of him as ok, but was never totally convinced.
So, a wonderful start to February. Level with Wednesday, and a game in hand; we were still in the Cup, and there was a League Cup tie to squeeze in before the next league match. And there no complaints from us about the fixture pile-up. Bring it on! Pictures follow in next post; thanks as ever to Silent Blade for the newspaper reports.
Thanks for this - great

How do you compare this team with the 1970 / 71? (2/3)
 
I think '59 was our big chance to win the cup. If we'd have seen off third division Norwich in the quarters, it would have been Luton in the semis then Forest in the final.
Remarkable looking back how close we were. The best chance of reaching a final was perhaps in the first semi v Leicester, and Pace’s ‘handball’. Seeing Dawson’s goal for West Ham this week brought the memories back… Mind you, beating that Spurs team in the Final would have been a challenge!
 
Remarkable looking back how close we were. The best chance of reaching a final was perhaps in the first semi v Leicester, and Pace’s ‘handball’. Seeing Dawson’s goal for West Ham this week brought the memories back… Mind you, beating that Spurs team in the Final would have been a challenge!

I think I'm correct in saying with Spurs being Champions, if we'd have made the final in 61 we'd have played in the Cup Winners Cup the following season.

Wouldn't it also be correct in saying this season you're doing now (61-62) we qualified for Europe at the end of it, until UEFA and the pigs diddled us out of it?
 
Thanks for this - great

How do you compare this team with the 1970 / 71? (2/3)
I am waiting for the end of the season to compare league positions with Silent Blade ! The side promoted in 1961 was more solid; the Currie/Woodward team was better to watch at their best, but less consistent. I thought the Wilder era was going to eclipse them both, but as is usual with United, it ended up going wrong.
 
I think I'm correct in saying with Spurs being Champions, if we'd have made the final in 61 we'd have played in the Cup Winners Cup the following season.

Wouldn't it also be correct in saying this season you're doing now (61-62) we qualified for Europe at the end of it, until UEFA and the pigs diddled us out of it?
I am not the best person to ask on this. The early Cup winners Cup was unofficial. Did Leicester enter it in 1961? And I think the rules for the Inter-city Fairs Cup were still vague, with invitations being made. I think 62-63 was before it was fixed along the lines of champions in European Cup, Cup winners in Cup winners Cup, and next best 3 in UEFA Cup. Wednesday were certainly more ambitious than United, or perHaps more pushy. I can believe they had better contacts than us, and took advantage of them. Wednesday were already playing in the Fairs Cup in 1961-62.
 
I think I'm correct in saying with Spurs being Champions, if we'd have made the final in 61 we'd have played in the Cup Winners Cup the following season.

Wouldn't it also be correct in saying this season you're doing now (61-62) we qualified for Europe at the end of it, until UEFA and the pigs diddled us out of it?
Yes, to the first question. Leicester played in the 1961/62 CWC.

2nd question, the FL proposed Burnley (who finished 2nd), Everton (4th) and us (5th). Spurs ( who finished 3rd were in the CWC and they won it). Fairs Cup committee proposed Everton, Wendy (6th) and Birmingham (20th). Both FL and Fairs Cup committee had meetings through the summer to settle the dispute and in the end only Everton was the English club in the 1962-63 Fairs Cup.
 
Yes, to the first question. Leicester played in the 1961/62 CWC.

2nd question, the FL proposed Burnley (who finished 2nd), Everton (4th) and us (5th). Spurs ( who finished 3rd were in the CWC and they won it). Fairs Cup committee proposed Everton, Wendy (6th) and Birmingham (20th). Both FL and Fairs Cup committee had meetings through the summer to settle the dispute and in the end only Everton was the English club in the 1962-63 Fairs Cup.
I was right to say I wasn’t the best person to answer that question!
 
Tuesday February 20th, 1962
United 0-0 Blackburn
Attendance: 21417

The coincidences between February 1962 and February 2022 continue to come thick and fast. After a Saturday home win played against the background of hurricane-force winds, the next match in this 7-game February was a mid-week match against … Blackburn Rovers! For the superstitious amongst us, the good news is that our long unbeaten run continued; the bad news is that the game ended 0-0. And the result kept us in 6th position in the League! That is a fair number of coincidences. And for those who feel that I am rambling on about nothing, I have to confess that I remember nothing whatsoever about the game. I can say without fear of contradiction that in 60 years time I will remember nothing of our forthcoming match v Blackburn!
I include below a match report, courtesy of Silent Blade , and it is clear that in our player-ratings me and my brother did not share the reporter’s view that Keith Kettleborough was the man-of-the-match. There were doubts about Kettleborough’s effectiveness following his signing from Rotherham (more similarities with today’s fans), and perhaps we were swayed by that climate.
So, our unbeaten run was now 15 games; another home game was to follow, v Leicester, an opportunity to keep the pressure on the teams above us.
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Wednesday February 21st, 1962
FA Cup 5th Round Replay
Wednesday 0-2 Man United
Attendance: 65009

I was clearly having a week relaxing rather than working for my O-levels! This was my 3rd game in 5 days, with a double interest of hoping to see Wednesday lose, and seeing a Man Utd team which in those post-Munich years were very much my ‘other’ team. Bobby Charlton was very much my favourite non-Blades footballer.
The evening went wholly to plan, with decisive winning goals from Charlton and Giles, not a bad pair to have in your team.
This sort of occasion gradually made me aware of the emotional pull of football. Wednesday had a better ground than us, got bigger crowds than us, were more ambitious, playing European games, and had players that were better-known than ours. But United were ‘family’. At that time, you could pretty well guarantee what the lineup would be, and when thinking about United, we didn’t think about the history or the future, the familiar names and faces of the first-team players, along with the manager and trainer were the identity of the club for us. Teams were much more stable then, but United’s at the time just seemed like family members, and you couldn’t imagine them leaving home or growing old. So there was no attraction to Wednesday, no envy, even. You don’t get to choose your family members, and in a similar way, most of us don’t get to choose your football club. That is certainly how things were.
A couple of curious details. ManU had 2 players called Norbert (Stiles, Lawton). Unique? And Setters later managed Wednesday for a month, after Jack Charlton left. He had an unbeaten record - they did not play a single match!
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