"15-20 Players Leaving This Summer"

[Balham]

At the moment he gets a few minutes off the bench in the U21s

He's 18 and behind Sachdev (and, previously, Curtis) in the 21s pecking order.

 

[Kenilworth]

He's 18 and behind Sachdev (and, previously, Curtis) in the 21s pecking order.

Still time to develop, then.
We paid a whack for an unproven teenager on the basis of Bord AI, though. That’s something that cannot be brushed aside. It’s not as though he’s a pick up from non-league with high potential. We just don’t know.

 

[CPB]

I'll agree with you on Nwachukwu, Ukaki and probably Zätterström as they're all L2/L1 level, with the latter being particularly frustrating as we spent a decent amount on him. However, Polendakov remains a decent prospect who will probably do well somewhere in Europe at a similar level to the Championship.

Apparently it is quite startling how far off it Zattersrom was before he eventually went to Genoa. You never know he could come good but I suspect we will have to cut our losses. Cant' see Genoa buying him, he's made 1 app.

When you think about the above with these AI signings. Not forgetting Jefferson Caceres too.
Think we've managed to chuck at the very least a good few million (Zatterstrom was reportedly 3-4m euro. On players that just aren't featuring within the past 18 months or so on AI punts. Said it to wednesday mates of mine that I didn't think Bord would get them as I don't think he's legit. And when it fell through that they'd probably dodged a bullet.

Then chuck in the likes of Matos too and even Chong and McGuinness even though they feature a bit.
And whatever we end up paying for Soumare, Ings, Mee, Ogbene. It's startling how much we must have wasted last summer too.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

He's 18 and behind Sachdev (and, previously, Curtis) in the 21s pecking order.

Jack Waldron is on loan at Scarborough so 18 year old Sam Colechin has been consistently picked at RB.

 

[KMC-1889]

Let’s get it right the way the club has treated the AI signings is absolutely despicable. Dragged young lads halfway across the continent and then left them to rot in the reserves.

If these were local lads coming through the ranks rather than players bought by the bloke that cost the messiah his job you’d all be pushing for them to get lg1/2 loans.

Is Ukaki really any worse than Blacker or Marsh? No one knows for sure but they’re Sheffield United youngsters the club decided to sign and we should support their development until (as a minimum) their contracts are paid up.

 

[Balham]

Jack Waldron is on loan at Scarborough so 18 year old Sam Colechin has been consistently picked at RB.

Don't get me wrong, if we're going to sign an AI-discovered prospect then right back is just about the last position we'd need them to play. We've got Seriki, Curtis, Sachdev, Colechin and Waldron aged 22 or under and most of them have age-group international recognition and most have already appeared for our first team.

 

[Revolution]

Still time to develop, then.
We paid a whack for an unproven teenager on the basis of Bord AI, though. That’s something that cannot be brushed aside. It’s not as though he’s a pick up from non-league with high potential. We just don’t know.

My (second hand) ITK information on that signing is that we paid way over the odds given the market and ability of the player.

 

[Kenilworth]

My (second hand) ITK information on that signing is that we paid way over the odds given the market and ability of the player.

That reinforces my impression of that took place. Bord is a snake oil salesman and we’re well rid.

Still doesn’t stop loads of people slagging off Wilder and Bettis as though they were responsible for this mess in the closed season. It makes Rosen and Elbowwhatsit look like reyt chumps.

 

[FriethBlade]

I’ve thought for a while it makes him more likely to leave. Having your father-in-law as your manager isn’t an ideal situation. Feel like one will end up going sooner rather than later.

Its a massive conflict of interest. Daughters partner coming back from a serious knee injury and at present looking well off the player he was. Now we all hope he gets back to his previous high levels. But what if he doesn't , who is deciding on whether to offer him a new contract and what the appropriate wages are!

Little bit silly of Blaster to put himself and the manager in this position and apart from family owned businesses there's not many other areas of work that would allow this to happen.

 

[Stanthemanfan]

Yes he was our worse player....along with Peck

Who he didn't and never calls out

 

[nopigfansintown]

Is that it? The summer window will haunt us for a long time. We massively overpaid on Tanganga, Chong, Matos and Mcguinness in terms of both fees and wages. The AI signings are all a crock and will be extremely difficult to offload. We will lose a lot of money on all of the signings imo. There's a bit of hope that Arblaster, Cooper and Campbell can return fit and offer more next season, but there isn't much optimism elsewhere. It screams long term, multiple season rebuild.

 

[CPB]

That reinforces my impression of that took place. Bord is a snake oil salesman and we’re well rid.

Still doesn’t stop loads of people slagging off Wilder and Bettis as though they were responsible for this mess in the closed season. It makes Rosen and Elbowwhatsit look like reyt chumps.

When I saw that not only were these first lots of AI deals coming from a Bulgarian market and that Bord co-owned that club. It absolutely stunk.
Especially when it's turned out they are not exactly ready by any stretch.

Didn't we sell Caceres to his scotland club too?

Its a massive conflict of interest. Daughters partner coming back from a serious knee injury and at present looking well off the player he was. Now we all hope he gets back to his previous high levels. But what if he doesn't , who is deciding on whether to offer him a new contract and what the appropriate wages are!

Little bit silly of Blaster to put himself and the manager in this position and apart from family owned businesses there's not many other areas of work that would allow this to happen.

I suppose you can't help who you fall for.
To be fair I think Bettis handles wages, but sure manager is going to put the onus on how much they want them etc.
He's still got 2 years left as it stands. No need for any new contract offer right now, he'd have to get himself back into the player he was again for that talk.

My hope is that with a good pre-season he might start to get there again.

 

[Balham]

My (second hand) ITK information on that signing is that we paid way over the odds given the market and ability of the player.

We paid what would probably be the going rate for a 21 year old Bulgarian full international and top 10 performer in their league for an unproven just-turned-18 year old. That's entirely on the Bo[a]rd.

I would suggest that it's not a coincidence that we overpaid to sign Polendakov from a side Bord had links to.

 

[Houston_Blade]

That reinforces my impression of that took place. Bord is a snake oil salesman and we’re well rid.

Still doesn’t stop loads of people slagging off Wilder and Bettis as though they were responsible for this mess in the closed season. It makes Rosen and Elbowwhatsit look like reyt chumps.

Who’s blamed Wilder for the closed season issues? I’ve seen blame aimed at COH/Bord and the wider Board (on which Bettis sits) but not anything blaming Wilder for a period when he wasn’t even at the club.

 

[Kenilworth]

Who’s blamed Wilder for the closed season issues? I’ve seen blame aimed at COH/Bord and the wider Board (on which Bettis sits) but not anything blaming Wilder for a period when he wasn’t even at the club.

I’ve seen lots of people blame Bettis and Wilder for the current squad of insipid and unrelatable players.

As far as Sheffield United is concerned, it’s a snafu

 

[Bladeloyal]

He's 18 and behind Sachdev (and, previously, Curtis) in the 21s pecking order.

I can tell you he's not rated at all

 

[Bladeloyal]

Jack Waldron is on loan at Scarborough so 18 year old Sam Colechin has been consistently picked at RB.

Like the look of that lad ,good athlete ,good size, decent feet

 

[KMC-1889]

That reinforces my impression of that took place. Bord is a snake oil salesman and we’re well rid.

Still doesn’t stop loads of people slagging off Wilder and Bettis as though they were responsible for this mess in the closed season. It makes Rosen and Elbowwhatsit look like reyt chumps.

Bettis was here during the summer and was the boards ‘football man’ after Bord had been binned, so together with Allen & Hoyland carries the responsibility for the summer. They were either negligent (and didn’t see what Bord was doing) or weak (wouldn’t stand up to Bo[a]rd) and stand by their principles).

The blame for Wilder goes as far as the shocking January business (again), our poor fitness record and patchy form. We’re back to playing the same stodgy football as last season, only this time we haven’t got a top class keeper over performing so the tight results are going against us.

I really, really hope that this summer he’s got to wheel and deal, trim the fat and look for some bargains as this is where he’s done his best work in the past and will tell us if he’s still got it.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I’ve seen lots of people blame Bettis and Wilder for the current squad of insipid and unrelatable players.

As far as Sheffield United is concerned, it’s a snafu

I haven’t seen anyone blame Wilder for the recruitment of these individuals. The criticism I’ve seen is that he’s not managed to coax them into not being insipid and unrelatable. Something he managed to do last time around and certainly did the first time he was here.

I still wouldn’t blame him for that though, he can’t really be held responsible for other people’s decisions and the subsequent impact it’s had on the mentality of our team.

Having a very unfit team lies partly with him, but there’s always the “I missed pre-season” excuse, so the evidence of that will come next season.

 

[Kenilworth]

Bettis was here during the summer and was the boards ‘football man’ after Bord had been binned, so together with Allen & Hoyland carries the responsibility for the summer. They were either negligent (and didn’t see what Bord was doing) or weak (wouldn’t stand up to Bo[a]rd) and stand by their principles).

The blame for Wilder goes as far as the shocking January business (again), our poor fitness record and patchy form. We’re back to playing the same stodgy football as last season, only this time we haven’t got a top class keeper over performing so the tight results are going against us.

I really, really hope that this summer he’s got to wheel and deal, trim the fat and look for some bargains as this is where he’s done his best work in the past and will tell us if he’s still got it.

January is always a shite window to sort anything. Summer is the key, as you say.

Bettis is the Finance and Contracts man, not a “football man” in the sense the x players and coaches are. He will do the bidding of the directors, and of that meant dealing with the Temu Borg (AI Bord) then that’s what he will have had to do. Don’t forget that Bettis was not a fan of the change for SeLLLLLes and advised them to U turn, sharpish, like.

 

[KMC-1889]

I’m don’t think we should expect a radical change in Jan but we can definitely do better than we have done in the last two. Looking at the top of the table Boro had a shocking window and its cost them, where as Millwall and Southampton did great business that puts them well in line for play offs.

Bettis is part of the ownership group, albeit a minor contributor. If he felt that strongly about retaining Wilder and knew that the Bord signings were going to be a disaster he should have been creating a stink about it and not letting the club walk off the plank.

 

[Keen Blade]

Arblaster isn't leaving, he's just announced he's got wilders daughter up the duff.

So , he's fully fit in that department then
Just needs to get his brain , legs & feet up to scratch.
Fingers crossed

 

[Keen Blade]

Doesn't mean he won't leave

Depends if he can ever return to fitness.
If he can , the world's his oyster.
If he's half-crocked , he'll be here whilst Wilder survives.

 

[Keen Blade]

Other clubs will take a look at these guys and believe they are worth summat?
Seriously?

The damage was done when Bord persuaded those in charge that he knew owt, when it’s been proven that he’s a chancer and a knownowt.

Fair comment but I still think it's disrespectful & unprofessional for Wilder to talk in disparaging terms about the club's players.

 

[wizadry]

You mean like Ukaki at Birmingham, in the league cup, who was a headless chicken and so obviously way out of his depth? He kept getting muscled out of challenges before he got anywhere near the control of a football.

Zatterstrom is so good that he gets to sit and watch Italian football at pitch side.

By all means have an irritation and try to scratch it but it loses credibility when the pop evidences the lack of use of well under par players that the naive owners were duped into signing from their AI buddy Bord.

My overriding point regards the AI players were that they couldn’t really do any worse than some of the shite we’ve had on the pitch, not that they’re actually any good, no body knows how good they are but we do know how shite some of the players who’ve had multiple games are.

As a side note, I’m not advocating using the AI module, I think it’s a load of crap personally mate.

Bettis has been the main stay through all our recruitment processes for years now, it’s a shame we can’t have a full revamp of the whole process, the club needs to have and show some kind of strategy, not a clusterfuck approach like last season.

 

[Kenilworth]

Fair comment but I still think it's disrespectful & unprofessional for Wilder to talk in disparaging terms about the club's players.

Fuck em.
And Bord

 

[Kenilworth]

My overriding point regards the AI players were that they couldn’t really do any worse than some of the shite we’ve had on the pitch, not that they’re actually any good, no body knows how good they are but we do know how shite some of the players who’ve had multiple games are.

As a side note, I’m not advocating using the AI module, I think it’s a load of crap personally mate.

Bettis has been the main stay through all our recruitment processes for years now, it’s a shame we can’t have a full revamp of the whole process, the club needs to have and show some kind of strategy, not a clusterfuck approach like last season.

Oh, we do know what they would be like. Utter bobbar.

 

[wizadry]

Oh, we do know what they would be like. Utter bobbar.

That’s a guess but you could well be reyt.

 

[Kenilworth]

That’s a guess but you could well be reyt.

If they don’t do it in training then they don’t make the squad. If they were any good there’s no way Wilder and Knill would leave them out if they were tearing it up.
Evidence suggest (like Ukaki vs Brum in League Cup) that bobbar is the order of the day.

 

[wizadry]

If they don’t do it in training then they don’t make the squad. If they were any good there’s no way Wilder and Knill would leave them out if they were tearing it up.
Evidence suggest (like Ukaki vs Brum in League Cup) that bobbar is the order of the day.

Without going on and on, Wilder hasn’t played a few players who could clearly play football but only got in because of an injury to an inferior player. Just because Wilder doesn’t rate them doesn’t mean they are bobbar, it’s his right to deem them surplus to requirements though.