08/08/10 - Cardiff City v. Sheffield United

[happyhippy]

but what about the ball going in between to players on the line

One of those things.

 

[LouTheBlade]

We're talking fractions here, but essentially that is what I'm saying. Committing by going to ground when you're going to be carried out of the box is a basic error. Again, he was forced into making a decision by Taylor's awful mess, but that fractional bit of mistiming was crucial. I'll give you that he had Hobson's choice as to what action to take, and his angles were right or Chopra wouldn't have gone wide (further weight to how well Simmo played), but it was a 'keeping error. A yard later, he still has the angles, but can still use his hands. That's all.

I get where you're coming from now and see what you mean. I still dont think Simmo could be blamed though as he made the right decision to come when he did. Its an impossible situation for a goalie really. I agree on the fractional mis-timing but I cant criticise him for that personally as it just seems like splitting hairs to me.

I firstly blame Taylor's complete lack of positioning and the two defenders on the line who really should have stopped it. I always say though, it looks easy from the sidelines..........

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Was really ppleased with Evans and his willingness to chase back and work on defence - major change in attitude and fitness.

I don't agree with the last part, he was trying to do this last season also. In fact a quite a few times he had chased back and no one had filled in for him meaning we lost the ball when its was launched up. Again something he was lambasted for.

A promising start, a little disappointed we didn't try and keep the ball when we were down to 10 men a little better. Constant pumping it upfront just gave them the ball back and allowed them to come at us again as we dropped deeper. I thought Ward has his best game for a while and when we had a full team upfront looked good a fluid with players swapping positions.

Needless to say we need Nos fit soon and hopefully Lawton will be given another chance when he returns. I get the feeling Blackwell might not feel the same though.

 

[Come from away]

If Bartlett shows up as playable, we could see Nosworthy back at RB or move Ertl over till Lowton comes back. Do think Evans looks fitter and more commited this year.

 

[bricktop]

We're talking fractions here, but essentially that is what I'm saying. Committing by going to ground when you're going to be carried out of the box is a basic error. Again, he was forced into making a decision by Taylor's awful mess, but that fractional bit of mistiming was crucial. I'll give you that he had Hobson's choice as to what action to take, and his angles were right or Chopra wouldn't have gone wide (further weight to how well Simmo played), but it was a 'keeping error. A yard later, he still has the angles, but can still use his hands. That's all.

He might have made that error but on reflection given his performance i think it is slightly unfair to reflect on the error and neglect some of the good stuff he did.

With Mark Bunn or any of the keepers we had in the net last season we could have gone down by 3 or 4

 

[happyhippy]

I get where you're coming from now and see what you mean. I still dont think Simmo could be blamed though as he made the right decision to come when he did. Its an impossible situation for a goalie really. I agree on the fractional mis-timing but I cant criticise him for that personally as it just seems like splitting hairs to me.

I firstly blame Taylor's complete lack of positioning and the two defenders on the line who really should have stopped it. I always say though, it looks easy from the sidelines..........

Maybe I shouldn't have used the word 'fault' to start with, but once upon a time I was a 'keeper before I stopped growing upwards and merely grew sideways (trained by Nigel Martyn for a short while, I might add!), so can sometimes be overly critical, or probably more so, I notice things that get missed. I did mention the lack of a left back as well!

As for the two on the line, that happens. Would you have rather we went down to nine by them using a hand (that was rhetorical)? Iit could have cannoned of them and gone in anyway.

And so concludes the case for the defence. I am obliged.

 

[happyhippy]

He might have made that error but on reflection given his performance i think it is slightly unfair to reflect on the error and neglect some of the good stuff he did.

Didn't I more or less say that, chief

 

[bricktop]

Didn't I more or less say that, chief

Arr Laddie

 

[Linz]

A more pressing question.

How much marrowbone jelly does Boggy get through to make his flowing locks so shiny and luscious?

 

[bricktop]

A more pressing question.

How much marrowbone jelly does Boggy get through to make his flowing locks so shiny and luscious?

I dunno but i bet its not the same stuff Happy Hippy uses!

 

[LouTheBlade]

Maybe I shouldn't have used the word 'fault' to start with, but once upon a time I was a 'keeper before I stopped growing upwards and merely grew sideways (trained by Nigel Martyn for a short while, I might add!), so can sometimes be overly critical, or probably more so, I notice things that get missed.

To be fair I'm probably blaming the defender for the same reason. I was a centre back myself (I like to think a pretty decent one, such is my ego). Having played with and against a number of players who are now pros I learned a lot about defending and goalkeeping from them. As you say, you definately become critical of players who play the same/similar position as yourself (Alan Hansen being a good example of this). Its a natural thing..........

You would have a much better idea of goalkeeping than me as it was the one position I wasnt great at. But all I know is that in any of the teams I played in, a left back who had been that far out of position would have received a fierce bollocking both from the keeper and most likely from me as I cant abide lapses in concentration. Its the one thing I cant stand to see in a defender!

 

[happyhippy]

I dunno but i bet its not the same stuff Happy Hippy uses!

I'd like to think that Boggy doesn't eat Tresemmé shampoos and conditioners as well! At least I put mine on my hair. That said, is marrowbone jelly a tonsorial tip from the gaffer?

 

[Nick Jansky]

I was a centre back myself (I like to think a pretty decent one, such is my ego). Having played with and against a number of players who are now pros I learned a lot about defending and goalkeeping from them.

I would guess that this is why you understand exactly what Monty brings to the team, and why he is so hugely respected by other players & football people generally. Most of the great stuff he does happens when he isn't actually on the ball or making a direct challenge. Top player, Monty, and every good team needs one.

Oh, and as I have posted elsewhere, we are a Left Back short of having a good first XI.

 

[happyhippy]

To be fair I'm probably blaming the defender for the same reason. I was a centre back myself (I like to think a pretty decent one, such is my ego). Having played with and against a number of players who are now pros I learned a lot about defending and goalkeeping from them. As you say, you definately become critical of players who play the same/similar position as yourself (Alan Hansen being a good example of this). Its a natural thing..........

You would have a much better idea of goalkeeping than me as it was the one position I wasnt great at. But all I know is that in any of the teams I played in, a left back who had been that far out of position would have received a fierce bollocking both from the keeper and most likely from me as I cant abide lapses in concentration. Its the one thing I cant stand to see in a defender!

The 'goalkeeping hairdryer*' has very few settings. "Off" doesn't actually exist, as you're constantly chuntering.

"Light" means "Someone, possibly me, has given away a free kick/corner/throw in so I need to indiscriminately shout."

"Medium" means "I've dropped a bollock, but I'm sure as hell going to make it look like it's someone else's fault."

"High" would be at Taylor today. I would normally expect some decent forehead to forehead/rutting deers rowing though.

*Linz has subliminally hijacked the thread!

 

[keenzy]

I think Ertl has to take some blame for the goal. Taylor first was no where, Simmo had to commit and then Ertl didn't pick the man up that was next to him. 4 Blades playes in the box and not 1 picked him up.
As for the tackle, I have seen worse. It was late and from the looks he's not lunged in with studs showing, he swung to play the ball and as his leg comes up it's got their player. Harsh sending off really. Ref was poor today.

 

[LouTheBlade]

I would guess that this is why you understand exactly what Monty brings to the team, and why he is so hugely respected by other players & football people generally. Most of the great stuff he does happens when he isn't actually on the ball or making a direct challenge. Top player, Monty, and every good team needs one.

Oh, and as I have posted elsewhere, we are a Left Back short of having a good first XI.

Quite right. This is exactly the reason I appreciate what Monty does. Ive played with all sorts of different players, mostly good ones and some not so good ones. The one thing I did love as a centre back though, was players like Monty. They are worth so much to the team and anyone with a decent playing background would know that.

There was one particular player I remember playing with who had similar attributes to Monty and it often reminds me of him. He wasnt the most technically gifted but he covered so much ground making countless tackles and much like Monty his man marking was exemplary. When he played we had a fairly easy time at the back - mopping up loose balls and being caught in behind very few times on the counter. When he didnt play we had far more to do and had to play much higher up the pitch, meaning we were more exposed on the break. Thankfully we had good defenders so never conceded many but we looked a much better side with him, than without him.

In the case of Monty and my former team mate, it makes their ability in possession far less important as they are not expected to be adventurous with the ball. It is more about what they do for the shape of the team and strength when the opposition have the ball.

 

[Nedski]

Ertl can kick the ball really high and really far

haha, thats the impression i got of him too

 

[Bramley]

Is this party taking place in a certain establishment in the vicinity of Kings Cross Station or something??:gallop:

There's a better one in Holborn and the best one in Shoreditch.

 

[Bramley]

There's a better one in Holborn and the best one in Shoreditch.

Ps - Euston Flyer is a dump.

 

[Mad Mick]

I would have settled for a point before the match and am delighted with the result and the way we battled. When you think about it Cardiff were a gnats from playing premiership football this season, and as far as I can tell are the same of very similar as far as team is concerned.
Great point my MOM Simmo.